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Hugh Ruka
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Posted - 2006.01.12 06:20:00 -
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Edited by: Hugh Ruka on 12/01/2006 06:22:41 Hi folks
Some background first. I am strictly Caldari oriented and mostly missiles. Right now I can fly Caldari frigs, cruisers, battlecruisers, battleships. I am not that much on cash, also I don't have much skills to use a BS effectively.
I was trying to get somewhere 0.0 to have some fun PvE. Thus far, I always ran into someone with either 2x the SP I have, or a heavy gate camp, without even seeing one Guristas rat.
So basicaly I need a cheap throw away ship that can shoot down the usual BS sized rats (750k ravens) and either escape or hit back the player rat so he remembers it a bit :-)
Any suggestions ? ------------------------------ Removed due to offensive content - Laqum
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Kryptic1
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Posted - 2006.01.12 06:48:00 -
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Edited by: Kryptic1 on 12/01/2006 06:51:07 I don't think the ship you're thinking of exists.
More or less, pick two of these three: Good firepower Good at escaping Cheap
I suppose the closest thing to what you're looking for would be an AF. However, a harpy is not exactly cheap, you're looking at anywhere from a 25-35m loss (depending on what you use) for each one.
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Xio2
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Posted - 2006.01.12 06:50:00 -
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Yeah..I dont know if it exists either...its usually all or nothing. -------------- now this is the way a sig should be Xio2 |
Darpz
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Posted - 2006.01.12 06:50:00 -
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Edited by: Darpz on 12/01/2006 06:49:44 umm I would say ferox but that takes more skills than a raven to rat effectively in
maybe a harpy?
Originally by: TomB
Originally by: Darpz
Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi CCP will nerf this probably, but hey, worth a try
so your saying I should of kept my mouth shut?
Yup.
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Hugh Ruka
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Posted - 2006.01.12 07:27:00 -
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well ... I do l3 missions in a ferox with t2 heavy launchers and passive tank, have NO problem at all.
that suggestion about the harpy is quite nice, what about the hawk ? it is much cheaper, but does it have the damage output to down the rats ? ------------------------------ Removed due to offensive content - Laqum
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Xantina
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Posted - 2006.01.12 08:15:00 -
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My suggestion would be: train more :) Sorry but such a ship does not exist. T1 frigates don't have the firepower to break a BS tank and die quickly against a full spawn. T1 cruisers ... my rupture can kill a BC rat but BS is pretty hard and you won't kill it before the small ships respawn, and those hurt quiet a bit. BC i wouldn't call "cheap" exactly 40-50 millions for a ship+mods, plus they are so slow you need stabs if you want to be able to escape from players and that will spoil your ability to tank. Flying a BS (or any ship for that matter) without skills is a time honored way to loose the ship quickly. The ship that would best meet your purpose would be an AF, it can kill rats (tho a BS will take some time) and it's fast enough to run away if a player jumps you (which means you ignored the basic rules of lowsec, like watching local) or fight back.
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Hugh Ruka
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Posted - 2006.01.12 08:58:00 -
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so to sum this up, the suggestions are:
AF (harpy) BS - with more skill training involved
I want to be good with a BS so the second one is my plan, but in the meantime, I'll try an AF.
Anyway the game's supposed to be fun, so I am going to die some more times :-)
Thanks for the suggestions. ------------------------------ Removed due to offensive content - Laqum
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Xeios
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Posted - 2006.01.12 09:18:00 -
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Would an inty not be another option? last time i looked i think they were a bit cheaper then an AF and require less training(tho thats prolly not a good thing ).
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.01.12 09:19:00 -
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The best ship for the job is an AF.
It deals enough damage to overcome BS tanks, survives well enough to not blow up, and if cornered in PvP, can happily fight, since most PvE setups on AFs are very similar to PvP setups. Or, it can survive long enough to run, possibly :)
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Sirilonwe
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Posted - 2006.01.12 09:21:00 -
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I personnally would go for a blackbird at long range. It may have big problems shooting BS sized rats, but my setup was able to run 4/10 complexes:
Hi: Med Nos, 3 heavys launchers Mid: PVE, shield tanking + AB, PVP, scrambler, webber, and multispecs Low: PVE: either PDU's or nanofibers, PVP: Capacitor Flux Coil (for the multispecs), Armor repairer
Note: the PVP setup hasn't been tested successfully for the moment, so don't flame it.
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Xeios
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Posted - 2006.01.12 09:26:00 -
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The BB would do nowhere near enough dmg to break a BS's tank I am sure.
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Snooppari
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Posted - 2006.01.12 11:09:00 -
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Harpy with T2 blasters rip through npc BS's tank.. And my setups cost about 20m + the cheap harpy (with contacts) 10m
In PvP I use the same setup, but change the T2 blaster to T2 125mm turrets.. oh and put ab on in PvP.. So the scrapler is history in PvE..
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Snooppari
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Posted - 2006.01.12 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Snooppari Harpy with T2 blasters rip through npc BS's tank.. And my setups cost about 20m + the cheap harpy (with contacts) 10m
In PvP I use the same setup, but change the T2 blaster to T2 125mm turrets.. oh and put ab on in PvE.. So the scrapler is history in PvE..
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Filan
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Posted - 2006.01.12 14:55:00 -
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Caracal? that thing with skills can get some truely mean range.
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PrimalManiac
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:37:00 -
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I hunt guristas in my maller.
5 T2 pulse 1 med nos (best you can get)
10mn AB T2 webber (best you can get) Lrg cap battery (best you can get)
small rep T2 (yes resists are high so small rep is enough) 3 hardners (2x kin 1x term for gurristas) 1600 nano plate Heat Sink T2
Frigs are not a problem in this so warping out is allways an option (though i hardly ever needed to).
I do recoment high amarr cruiser lvl, and T2 pulse + HS is needed to kill the BS rats. Its fun and disposeble..
Anyway.. my 2 isk ...
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.01.12 17:08:00 -
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Having just finished Battlecruiser 5, I find the Ferox to be one mean customer. Like other caldari tech, its pvp setups translate well to pve.
Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Erris Veloce
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Posted - 2006.01.12 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi Having just finished Battlecruiser 5
ohhh. /drool
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Orrin Danestarr
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Posted - 2006.01.12 22:07:00 -
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I beleive he also said for a cheap set up too... but i might just be getting more from his post than what he wrote....
Caracal is a cheap and very effective missile ship. Skills will do this bird a load of good.
But what do i know, imjust a minnie.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.01.12 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Erris Veloce
Originally by: Kaylana Syi Having just finished Battlecruiser 5
ohhh. /drool
It makes the world of difference for choosing a ferox vs a cyclone for 0.0 duty. Cyclone is now one superior in missions with 720s, however.
Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
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ThundrGod
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Posted - 2006.01.13 03:52:00 -
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Caracal, hands down. That's what I use to rat in 0.0 and I only have 2mil SP. Can handle any regular spawn and is about as cheap as your going to be able to rat solo. As far as pvp goes the slots you need for your pve tank prevents you from fitting ECM or WCS to escape rats but hey, their cheap as hell.
Happy Hunting...........
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Skarraza
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Posted - 2006.01.13 04:39:00 -
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Edited by: Skarraza on 13/01/2006 04:41:41
Originally by: PrimalManiac I hunt guristas in my maller.
1600 nano plate
Anyway.. my 2 isk ...
No point in using Nano, unless it is the best you can afford or the most you are willing to lose. The speed bonus of Nano is no more with the RMR changes to armor plates. The tungsten and crystal are better armor increase and less mass penalty.
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Hugh Ruka
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Posted - 2006.01.13 06:49:00 -
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Hey folks
thanks for all the replys, there's some good information here.
Caracal, well I was thinking about it, but it won't last long when attacked. Blackbird seems to lack the firepower for me.
Ferox, hmm is about as expensive as the Harpy but with full insurance. Is a viable option once I get BC skill to 4. ------------------------------ Removed due to offensive content - Laqum
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.01.13 13:29:00 -
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To be fair... the caracal can be a better missile spammer and sniper. You need to play them in a similar mannor so getting your feet wet in a caracal is not a bad idea.
Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Niclin
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Posted - 2006.01.14 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Niclin on 14/01/2006 11:26:27 I have kinda average missile skills and in a Caracal at 50km no npcs can hit me, with an AB its fast enough to keep out of range of BS/BC rats.. with a target painter you can easily take any frigate <+ a couple drones help>. It cheap, expendable and with better missile skills you can get some great range, maybe out to 60-70km. The only problem im having atm is finding it very difficult to break an NPC BS tank with 5 T1 heavy launchers... but im told that with T2 heavies and T2 missiles that will no longer be even the slightest problem. And T2 launchers not that expensive either.. 10 million including fitting maybe? for a cheap dependable little ship, thats also quite fun.
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