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WarElf
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Posted - 2003.08.21 00:55:00 -
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Ok, so i go out and buy the non pro 9800.
I thought "This will own in EVE!" To my surprise... I cannot Log into my characters, and when i do...My screen freezes and i cant do anything at all.
My comp does not reset, it just blurs my screen (sometimes shutting the screen off). Anyone know what to do?? I have to reset my computer to regain control of it.
To my knowledge i have all of the latest drivers... And even after that it got worse.
Any help would be appreciated.
~WarElf ~WarElf Occassus Republica
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la'Rei
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Posted - 2003.08.21 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: la'Rei on 21/08/2003 01:00:00 Get a good card. GeForce 4 MMX. you can buy them for about 50 dollars, and they run EVE at good FPS.
If it says "ATI" I will never touch it. _________________________ Trolling is bad. Please dont do it. -rei |
Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.08.21 01:14:00 -
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ATI owns Nvidia - its a fact (look at the performance reviews). EVE on 9700 Pro plays perfectly, never freezes, and doesnt CTD after the last patch( no more restart bug either, i dont think). Try updating ur drivers, talk to the ATI support,and try to figure it out. On 8x AGP with all hardware accel turned on EVE pwns(especialy the lights)...something Nvidia users couldnt possibly know of...
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WarElf
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Posted - 2003.08.21 01:17:00 -
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Right... I have a good card, i just need to know if anyone else has this prob and have an easy solution....
Thanks for replies.
~WarEfl ~WarElf Occassus Republica
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2003.08.21 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jael Markinsen on 21/08/2003 01:20:29 Hmm, Very weird I have one of these 9800 non-pro's and in your words it does "own" in all games not just eve! I don't have any problems whatsoever with using this card with eve. And is it only eve you are having trouble with?
Just out of curiosity can you post your system specs,OS, and also what catalyst version driver your using, also what card were you running before you replaced it with 9800.
The more info you can present the better we can get down to helping you get back in game!
Well, negotiator, they did till the 5900 ultra came out!
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WarElf
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Posted - 2003.08.21 01:28:00 -
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windows 2000 pentium 4 2.4 gig Radeon 9800
I was on a gforce 3 ti 200.
Um drivers....Ill hae to check so ill edit when i re-find them hehe.
~WarElf ~WarElf Occassus Republica
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WarElf
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Posted - 2003.08.21 01:30:00 -
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Catalyst 3.6 Driver Suite
Thats it. I also have 512 ram.
~WarElf
~WarElf Occassus Republica
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2003.08.21 02:21:00 -
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You amy want to check your performance settings and see that Antialiasing is not on or it may need to be set lower. Also check drivers and try re-installing the drivers. Hope this helps.
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Brian Hissa
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Posted - 2003.08.21 05:53:00 -
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Blue, are you running EVE in windowed mode? Can you get to the login screen, or will it not load at all? You may want to try clearing Eve's cache files as you're running a new video card and EVE may have gotten confused. Also do you have the latest version of DirectX? I believe it's 9b.
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la'Rei
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Posted - 2003.08.21 06:59:00 -
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From what I've seen from Devs, The Radeon takes 3x longer to program for (seriously) and that's to just make it compatible. if you would spent that 3x time on Specilizeing on GeForce. GeForce would own radeon. GeForce is easy to program for, Easy to work, and their the new king of the hill.
GeForce 5900 256 owns any and every radeon on the market. -rei _________________________ Trolling is bad. Please dont do it. -rei |
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SOHAIL
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Posted - 2003.08.21 07:00:00 -
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Thats why I always Prefer nVIDIA Cards , because they are always 100% compatable with every game. I bought Ati 9800 125mb and I had same problem, even i changed 3 diff drivers. Now ive bought nVIDIA Geforce fx 5900 Ultra 256 and its runs SMooth with every settings. Amy
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Brian Hissa
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Posted - 2003.08.21 07:19:00 -
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I believe he's asking for help with his video card, not to hear nVidia propaganda from fanboys (and fangirls!). Let's try to stay on topic here. kthxwvu
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Erty
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Posted - 2003.08.21 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: Erty on 21/08/2003 09:56:57 Edited by: Erty on 21/08/2003 09:51:11
Quote: From what I've seen from Devs, The Radeon takes 3x longer to program for (seriously) and that's to just make it compatible. if you would spent that 3x time on Specilizeing on GeForce. GeForce would own radeon. GeForce is easy to program for, Easy to work, and their the new king of the hill.
GeForce 5900 256 owns any and every radeon on the market. -rei
That is complete crap.
The Radeon cards handles plain DX/ARB code much better than GeForce cards. To make the GeForce cards fast (especially the FX) you have to progam the shaders in Cg.
Just ask Carmack. Doom3 runs much faster on the Radeons in normal industry standard OpenGL. Only when you program specially for the nV cards they're fast.
"The R200 path has a slight speed advantage over the ARB2 path on the R300, but only by a small margin, so it defaults to using the ARB2 path for the quality improvements. The NV30 runs the ARB2 path MUCH slower than the NV30 path. Half the speed at the moment. This is unfortunate, because when you do an exact, apples-to-apples comparison using exactly the same API, the R300 looks twice as fast, but when you use the vendor-specific paths, the NV30 wins."
This is also why nVidia was ****ed off when 3dmark03 was released - Futuremark wanted to program in the normal DX API so see how fast the cards was and how good they could handle the code, not to specially customize everything for them.
Anyway my 9700 works perfect with EVE...have you tested different drivers? You should also test to update your mobo drivers.
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Amunet
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Posted - 2003.08.21 10:11:00 -
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Owning both I can say that ATI outperforms NVidia. BUT, I use my Nvidia machine for playing EVE (there were probs in Beta with ATI). Anyway not really helping with the original question....
My suggestion...you might wanna try going into the registry and ripping out all references to Nvidia in there. After that reinstall your ATI cards drivers, and then reinstall Direct X. Should do the trick.
Back up registry settings first in case you make a dogs breakfast in there :)
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WarElf
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Posted - 2003.08.21 11:34:00 -
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Yea, eve does not work period =/
I uninstalled and reintalled...
I know it is the card, and i know nvidia is not better.
The driver selection on ati's site is lame though. I will try to re/dl them when i get home..
The card owns ): i'd hate to give it up.
~WarElf
~WarElf Occassus Republica
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.08.21 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Tharrn on 21/08/2003 11:42:37 I always use the lastest omegadrivers as that guy appears to know what he's doing ( http://www.omegacorner.com/ )
Have you tried that anti-aliasing thingy proposed further up?
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Rust
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Posted - 2003.08.21 11:41:00 -
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I am no expert, and you probably do it anyway - but making sure old driver versions are removed before updating with new ones does seem to make a real difference with ATI. There are instructions on site to how they recomend this is done.
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vf142rex
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Posted - 2003.08.21 12:00:00 -
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WarElf: What card did you upgrade from? Also, did you make any other changes to the computer?
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Armen Dzhezkov
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Posted - 2003.08.21 12:11:00 -
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I upgraded to a ATI 9600PRO 2 weeks ago. I'm a computer technician, Its my job, and I'm rather experienced in troubleshooting both hardware and software, I've been doing it since the 8086 days when i was a kid in school.
The ATI card is now back at Circuit City, and I got my money back. I tried 2 different catalyst drivers and the omega drivers as well. The card continually locked up, and when I tried switching from window mode to full screen, the computer rebooted. I had MORE problems in the 2 days with that card in my system than I did in 2 years with Nvidia cards. Removing the ATI card solved all my problems that were introduced when I installed it.
The ATI /was/ faster, when it ran, and if your slightly masochist and don't mind some abuse for an extra 2-3 frames per second, buy ATI. If you want 2-3 frames less per second buy don't want to worry if the system is going to crash, lock-up or reboot, buy Nvidia.
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Rust
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Posted - 2003.08.21 12:34:00 -
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The rebooting when changing windows mode was down to EVE I'm afraid. It has been cured with the last patch.
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Ourania
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Posted - 2003.08.21 12:35:00 -
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Did you get rid of all traces of Nvidia drivers , I personaly never had the problem I just unistalled the dets en installed the cats ,but in some cases if you don't get all of the NV stuff from your pc you could get problems. If you don't have the same problem with all other games it is most likely something else on your pc. and install the latest drivers
Quote: From what I've seen from Devs, The Radeon takes 3x longer to program for (seriously) and that's to just make it compatible. if you would spent that 3x time on Specilizeing on GeForce. GeForce would own radeon. GeForce is easy to program for, Easy to work, and their the new king of the hill.
GeForce 5900 256 owns any and every radeon on the market. -rei
BS .. EVE is D3d and does not need extra programing ,and when it comes to OpenGL in some cases Nvidia needs optimization to be able to run faster then R9#00.
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Nexos II
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Posted - 2003.08.21 13:41:00 -
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My friend has just orderd a Sapphire 9800 Pro 256 MB card so i'll let you know how it works out in EVE =) --- Your 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I perfectly strikes Guristas Conquistador, wrecking for 969.6 damage. |
Armen Dzhezkov
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Posted - 2003.08.21 13:55:00 -
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Quote: The rebooting when changing windows mode was down to EVE I'm afraid. It has been cured with the last patch.
Moot point. The fact of the matter is compatibility. Why put up with problems when I dont have to? Why wait around for the /patch/ to fix some problem that I shouldent have? I've been using Nvidia since 3DFX got bought out and I went out on a limb to try the ATI cards.
I don't have product loyalties, I'll ONLY buy whats best, I don't care who makes it, ATI cards were fast in reviews, so I bought one, and I was sorry that I did.
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Gildon
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Posted - 2003.08.21 14:10:00 -
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Eve doesn't handle the fast-write option (a tiny little box near your AGP 8 settings I think)
Unclick the fast-write box and try.
Gil
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Dodgy Dave
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Posted - 2003.08.21 22:45:00 -
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Using a 9800 non-pro with a P4 HT + DDR3700 and 2 Eves and it rocks (havent even OC'd yet). Only thing I havent managed is 2 screens - some conflict I havent been able to work around which lags the game to hell and gone when I try.
One tip I can give is try to source the Black Ops program for eradicating registry entries on redundant ATI drivers etc - its always been the biggest (and only) pain in the ass with ATI when you upgrade drivers (their uninstall sucks) and is the cause of a lot of problems.
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Erty
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Posted - 2003.08.21 23:28:00 -
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Quote: The ATI /was/ faster, when it ran, and if your slightly masochist and don't mind some abuse for an extra 2-3 frames per second, buy ATI. If you want 2-3 frames less per second buy don't want to worry if the system is going to crash, lock-up or reboot, buy Nvidia.
That this was the case for you doesn't mean it's the case for everyone.
Both nVidia and ATi are good, why does everybody have to be fanboys? Oh, wait...I'm a fanboy too.
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WarElf
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Posted - 2003.08.21 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: WarElf on 21/08/2003 23:49:39 Well i have tried everything i know.
This is rediculious, this card so far has been crap.
I have d/led multiple drivers, uninstalled, i removed and totally restarted on it. Got the same problem.
So i think im going to go to best buy and exchange it for a FX 5900 ultra for 300$, is that any good?? it is a 128mb card.
I need suggestions cause im about to kill everything withn 6 miles from me
Thanks for the help.
~WarElf ~WarElf Occassus Republica
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la'Rei
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Posted - 2003.08.21 23:51:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: The ATI /was/ faster, when it ran, and if your slightly masochist and don't mind some abuse for an extra 2-3 frames per second, buy ATI. If you want 2-3 frames less per second buy don't want to worry if the system is going to crash, lock-up or reboot, buy Nvidia.
That this was the case for you doesn't mean it's the case for everyone.
Both nVidia and ATi are good, why does everybody have to be fanboys? Oh, wait...I'm a fanboy too.
fan*GIRL* unless... your not really a girl... ... _________________________ Trolling is bad. Please dont do it. -rei |
Digital Sin
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Posted - 2003.08.22 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: Digital Sin on 22/08/2003 00:39:53 i like ATI because their Image quality doesn't look like a tie dye tshirt run though a washing machine filled with sharpie. nvidia has *HORRIBLE* image quality. dont say "omg u r rong my GFMX roxorS!1" i have a geforce 3 right beside me, right now, and it has a nice coating of dust from idling on my desk. the ATI cards are more finicky to install, yes, so grow some balls and work out the problem. if you dont have the motivation to actually install an ATI card, well then go and spend the $600 on an FX5900 ultra uber platinum gold edition sample XT beta alpha 2100.4. my 9700 can still kick ass dollar for dollar. either way you wont see a damn hint of change on eve, the fps drop is inevitable.
the biggest problem people seem to have with ATI is they just dont have a clue what they are doing. either that, or they suck. if they somehow dont fall under those two categories, maybe they just got a dud. there are such things. (and yes, i had an Nvidi0t dud too. geforce 3, died 2 weeks in.) "To be content,to be comfortable, is to be complacent. No one learns anything from pleasure..pain on the other hand is a most efficient instructor" |
T'el'Alana Luathin
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Posted - 2003.08.22 01:03:00 -
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I've got an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB version, and I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE it.
I'm using athlon 1440, abit KG7 mobo, windows 2003 server and a dual monitor setup.
It's so sweet.
Now, There is a problem switching from nvidia to ATI as Nvidia gives you the finger by leaving alot of files and stuff which wrecks the PC for your shiny, pretty new ATI card.
This is what I recommend you check out:
1) find and download nvidia file remover 2) start into safe mode 3) run nvidia file remover and go through the update driver for the ATI card. 4) restart windows and check display properties, go to troubleshooting tab and check if hardware acceleration isn't all the way up. 5) run various 3d progs and benchies to check if it works.
If that doesn't work, backup your data and format and reinstall windows. A clean version of windows is a healthy version of windows, and all compatibility problems are gone.
Don't be sad about a few starting glitches.. when u get it starting, it's soo sweet and great.. I'm running EVE with 6x AA and 16 ANIso with all quality setting in the max.. it's soo sweet.
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