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MaxPower
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Posted - 2006.01.05 17:01:00 -
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A little research into modern-day temperature trends bears this out. For example, in 1936 the Midwest of the United States experienced 49 consecutive days of temperatures over 90 degrees. There were another 49 consecutive days in 1955. But in 1992 there was only one day over 90 degrees and in 1997 only 5 days.
aha!
wasnt the site i was looking for..but itll do for a start
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Noden Vorpalstar
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Posted - 2006.01.05 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Yes, nuclear power 4tw. The greenies going against it are shooting us all in the feet.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.05 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: MaxPower A little research into modern-day temperature trends bears this out. For example, in 1936 the Midwest of the United States experienced 49 consecutive days of temperatures over 90 degrees. There were another 49 consecutive days in 1955. But in 1992 there was only one day over 90 degrees and in 1997 only 5 days.
aha!
wasnt the site i was looking for..but itll do for a start
Regional temperature trends can't be used as evidence for or against global warming. Its like saying that there's no lightning because it hasn't hit your car yet. - Proud member of the [23].
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MaxPower
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Posted - 2006.01.05 17:13:00 -
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Yeah hence not being the site i was after. Cant find the one i want.
Theyve only been able to 'accuratly' record temperature for around the last 70 years anyway. Anything before then is a guesstimate
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.01.05 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 05/01/2006 17:16:30 Humans started damaging & polluting the environment beginning in the mid 1930's.
We are getting better and better at controlling & minimizing the damage industrialization causes.
Planet earth has certainly withstood the damage for the last 70 years. 70 years from now the threat from humans will be a small fraction of what it was in the 30's-60's, and much less than even today.
Earth can handle 140-200 years of this no problem, it's a minor blimp on the overall climactic radar screen.
Species of plant & animal life will die off, but that happens all the time anyways, even b4 the industrial revolution.
We'll be fine, just chill...
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MaxPower
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Posted - 2006.01.05 17:18:00 -
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Well.. to be honest we are apparently all goign to die froma n asteroid hitting the planet in 5 years time or soemthing anyway.
Oh..and did you know they now think dinosaurs were killed by disease?
Came in via a meteor.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.01.05 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: MaxPower Well.. to be honest we are apparently all goign to die froma n asteroid hitting the planet in 5 years time or soemthing anyway.
Oh..and did you know they now think dinosaurs were killed by disease?
Came in via a meteor.
That asteriod is going to miss, by quite a bit too... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
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MaxPower
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Posted - 2006.01.05 17:31:00 -
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Im going to stop posting now. Just seen how horrible my spelling was in that last post!!!
I swear my left hand types quicker than the right....
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Haldane IV
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Posted - 2006.01.05 18:18:00 -
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Leaving aside the concerns about security, waste disposal and fuel supplies, the problem of where the fuel for nuclear power stations would for many countries have to be sourced and procured, is the same as that for fossil fules (oil/gas), namely that many of the deposits are situate in areas that are less politically stable/favourably disposed to the West.
Global warming arguments aside, although I understand why poorer nations destroy their ancient forrests for lumber production/grazing land to prop up their economies (assuming its not all just a few top dogs profiteering), it does make me sad to see those pictures of the effects of de-forrestation, albeit that in the greater scheme of things I suppose all is transient and the trees eventually will grow back and nature be restored(that gaia thing ).
I have always thought the overall problem is demographics; too many people in the world, and too many people trying to scratch a living in areas with insufficient natural resources to support them.
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Annie 46947
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Posted - 2006.01.05 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: MaxPower Doesnt actually exist. Its a scam to get multi billion pound grants to count trees, perform pointless experiments, allow the government to add huge petrol tax's, and give scientists something to do.
m'kay?
I totally agree with this guy. Just like how in the 70s ( 80s) they decided we were going into nuclear winter because of pollution. yeah, **** on the tree huggers
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Donna Darko
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Posted - 2006.01.05 19:25:00 -
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ALL OF YOU WILL DIE, MO'FOS!
GAIA WILL TAKE YOU ALL, GAIA! GAIA!
Naw, seriously, I used to care and try to recycle and stuff, but I gave up. There's no point for me to go through all the hoops and loops to "make a difference" when all my neighbors are coming out with even more trash, sort of like to cover up for my reduction.
One thing's for sure, even if that asteroid doesn't hit us in 5-15 years (I can't remember exactly when it was due), I'll be dead long before the horrors predicted by the global warming fanatics come true.
Just make sure your grandkids have properly closed their stillsuit before you send them out to school in the robobus (or something). ---------- Please fix the scan probes!!! (also included a guide to use them) |
Annie 46947
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Posted - 2006.01.05 19:27:00 -
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recycling is for suckers. Watch penn and tellers bull****. Theres an episode pertaining to that.
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Noden Vorpalstar
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Posted - 2006.01.05 19:49:00 -
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Most of the Save the Earth stuff is all hyped up anyways to get you to be a sucker and donate your money.
Sorry I'd rather give my money to the oil companies until they can make other fuel sources cheaper and more available. I believe this will happen eventually.
For now. Down with Tree Huggers !!
Besides there are actually more forests in the US now anyways. Why ? Because advances in technology allows us to grow 5 times more food on farm lands.
There is no land fill problem. Another Fact is Landfill owners want your trash. Yes they have room for it, alot of it.
Now if we could get people to put trash in the right place. The freakin garbage can. To get to the landfill then that would be a super improvement.
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Jim'ard Stone
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Posted - 2006.01.05 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jernau Gurgeh
Originally by: MaxPower Nuclear power 4tw!
What a lot of people fail to realise is that there's only enough uranium in the world to supply the existing level of nuclear plants for about another 40 years.
dude u can use alot of materials for nuclear power im sure of that.
Hydrogen power is the super 4tw tho and there plenty of that
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Dalieus Dakarn
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Posted - 2006.01.05 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Noden Vorpalstar There is no land fill problem. Another Fact is Landfill owners want your trash. Yes they have room for it, alot of it.
Of all the things I have a problem with in your post, this is the one I will quote. The "Landfill Problem" isn't that there isn't enough room for the trash. It's the fact that all the trash that is piling up in the landfills are polluting the soil and seeping down into the reseviours that feed towns and cities with their water supply. Yes, there is room for more trash, but centralizing trash into one spot isn't helping either. Dumping trash into the ocean is even worse.
You know what? Something else. I don't like giving money to the oil companies. They are already operating on a 800% profit margin. Why give them any more? All those damn taxes that we have to pay for gas has more people quitting their jobs, because they can't afford to drive to work!!!!
Technology is great. Yay for Hybrid Cars!!
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Burga Galti
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Posted - 2006.01.05 21:42:00 -
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Edited by: Burga Galti on 05/01/2006 21:42:45 An interesting article can be found here
Of particular note:
Quote: Atmospheric carbon levels then are thought to have been about 2-3,000 parts per million (ppm), compared with almost 380 ppm today.
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Noden Vorpalstar
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Posted - 2006.01.05 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dalieus Dakarn
Yes, there is room for more trash, but centralizing trash into one spot isn't helping either. Dumping trash into the ocean is even worse.
You have a point here about the ocean and the soil.
Originally by: Dalieus Dakarn
Technology is great. Yay for Hybrid Cars!!
Yes yay for hybrid cars, and yay for alternate fuel sources, but show me that it is economically affordable right now. Rememeber there are alot of industries that use oil for more than than just fuel. Rememeber thats alot of peoples jobs. If we drop oil like that we will have even more problems with people not haveing jobs.
So they need to be retrained. Who will pay for this?
Not to mention the cost to make a total change over to alternate fuel sources, and hybrid cars.
This does need to happen, but it will be a slow process.
I'm not flaming you, just asking if you can show me there is an easy way or affordable way to do it faster than it's already being done. -------------------------------------- US Army Photos 2005 Soldiers Creed |
Kusotarre
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Posted - 2006.01.06 05:24:00 -
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Like evolution, global warming has become a topic dominated not by interest in truth, or knowledge-based debate, but by political wedges.
The amount of ignorance in this thread is amazing.
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Jernau Gurgeh
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Posted - 2006.01.06 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jim'ard Stone
Originally by: Jernau Gurgeh
Originally by: MaxPower Nuclear power 4tw!
What a lot of people fail to realise is that there's only enough uranium in the world to supply the existing level of nuclear plants for about another 40 years.
dude u can use alot of materials for nuclear power im sure of that.
Hydrogen power is the super 4tw tho and there plenty of that
And where are you going to get the hydrogen from?
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Tricky Trixy
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Posted - 2006.01.06 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Tricky Trixy on 06/01/2006 10:33:33 I read a great book about all this a while ago. While it may have been fiction it was based on alot of fact and had a great bit at the end giving all the papers and refereances for you to go look at and make ur own mind up. Personally I belive that we don't have enough info to accurately perdict what is going to happen.
I also belive very strongly that we have all our eggs in one basket so to speak. We are all on this one ball of land and water and its only a matter of time till something is gonna come and threaten our extinction (seen people mention that asteroid think it supposed to pass very close to us in 2019 so we gotta while to live ) We need to get out there and settle on other planets basically.
As for rubbish I had this wonderful idea when i was younger of shooting it at the sun. Now at the mo its not possible but if we ever develop space elevators we could take rubbish up into space and then shoot it at the sun, but hey we shall see.
And finally I love how everybody, the government included (in the UK at least) raves on about Nuclear power ie fission power. This is not the way forward, its dangerous if a power plant goes up, it produces alot of waste products which are very hard to get rid off. Now personally i belive that the government and oil companies need to look at FUSION power. This can produce a lot more power compared to nuclear and if a FUSION power plant blows sure it will go with a mighty bang but there will be no radiation. And were are getting somewhere with this as an experimental FUSION plant is being constructed in France so I hope this goes well and we see more of these springing up.
For more info on FUSION power see here: Fusion Info
And here is info about the plant being built in France: French Fusion Plant ----- Trixy says "Keep ur friends close but ur enemies even closer" -----
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The Sloth
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Posted - 2006.01.06 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: MaxPower A little research into modern-day temperature trends bears this out. For example, in 1936 the Midwest of the United States experienced 49 consecutive days of temperatures over 90 degrees. There were another 49 consecutive days in 1955. But in 1992 there was only one day over 90 degrees and in 1997 only 5 days.
aha!
wasnt the site i was looking for..but itll do for a start
"The truth is, someday humans may be able to take tropical vacations at the North Pole - and it will be perfectly natural. Yet our world is being flooded with the dire predictions of Global Warming."
Quote taken from the above, right-wing lobby group's link. I had to laugh.
Anyway, Australia (where I live) has just recorded its hottest year on record. Have a look at the trend over the past couple of decades. The fact is that you can not deny that global warming is happening. What is however debatable, is whether it is purely a natural phenomena or has human-kind got their hand in it? In my opinion, you would have to be pretty naive to believe that all of these emissions that we are making would not have at least some effect on the environment.
I personally find it quite sad that the two most polluting countries in the world (per capita) Australia and the USA are the only two developed nations in the world not to sign the Kyoto Protocol. Simply because the leaders of these countries value the economy more than the environment (as is highlighted by the link MaxPower provided.)
Please flame away - it is getting hot anyway!
The Sloth.
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Annie 46947
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Annie 46947 on 06/01/2006 11:01:18 Hydrogen powered cars scare me. In a world where idiots think cellphones/make-up application/driving are all meant to be simultanious ventures have a car with is effectively a bomb on wheels is a ****ing scary idea. Yall only think gasoline is bad news. Wait till granny in her new hydrogen powered car -her green jeans hippy son got her- plows into another car at 30 miles an hour. Ever seen that video of the Hindenburg? What gas was it filled with again? Not to mention filling stations. Yeah, I wanna handle high pressure hydrogen ( which has a VERY VERY small structure - IE- LEAKS VERY EASILY) jesus christ... this just ain't meant to be people.
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Jernau Gurgeh
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: Jernau Gurgeh on 06/01/2006 11:13:15
Originally by: Annie 46947 Edited by: Annie 46947 on 06/01/2006 11:01:18 Hydrogen powered cars scare me. In a world where idiots think cellphones/make-up application/driving are all meant to be simultanious ventures have a car with is effectively a bomb on wheels is a ****ing scary idea. Yall only think gasoline is bad news. Wait till granny in her new hydrogen powered car -her green jeans hippy son got her- plows into another car at 30 miles an hour. Ever seen that video of the Hindenburg? What gas was it filled with again? Not to mention filling stations. Yeah, I wanna handle high pressure hydrogen ( which has a VERY VERY small structure - IE- LEAKS VERY EASILY) jesus christ... this just ain't meant to be people.
I believe that hydrogen powered cars utilise fuel cells rather than simple tanks.
The problem is in generating the hydrogen in first place.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Annie 46947 Edited by: Annie 46947 on 06/01/2006 11:01:18 Hydrogen powered cars scare me. In a world where idiots think cellphones/make-up application/driving are all meant to be simultanious ventures have a car with is effectively a bomb on wheels is a ****ing scary idea. Yall only think gasoline is bad news. Wait till granny in her new hydrogen powered car -her green jeans hippy son got her- plows into another car at 30 miles an hour. Ever seen that video of the Hindenburg? What gas was it filled with again? Not to mention filling stations. Yeah, I wanna handle high pressure hydrogen ( which has a VERY VERY small structure - IE- LEAKS VERY EASILY) jesus christ... this just ain't meant to be people.
Gasoline powered cars scare me. In a world where idiots think cellphones/make-up application/driving are all meant to be simultanious ventures have a car with is effectively a bomb on wheels is a ****ing scary idea. Yall only think cars are bad news. Wait till granny in her new gasoline powered car -her green jeans hippy son got her- plows into another car at 30 miles an hour. Ever seen that video of the exploding gasoline truck? What liquid was it filled with again? Not to mention filling stations. Yeah, I wanna handle gasoline( which has a VERY VERY small structure - IE- LEAKS VERY EASILY) jesus christ... this just ain't meant to be people. - Proud member of the [23].
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Noden Vorpalstar
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:24:00 -
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I think in this thread we have come to an agreement that
Yes there are environmental problems out there we need to be aware of, and need to something about. Let's face it though the only way to combat the problem is for modernized nations to be at the forefront of fixing the problems. If not then it's never going to get done despite anything anyone has said here.
On that note if you look around the internet there are several websites that give "so called data" either claiming to prove or disprove the global warming idea.
It's the same thing with any issue or topic.
If anyone here can show credentials that they are educated in such matters then I'd like to see them, and would like to hear their points of view on the subject.
We can point the blame at whoever we want, but that's solving nothing either. Anyone can point the blame to anyone on any number of problems in the world. Global warming and the environment being just one of them.
I'm not an expert on this subject, and I highly doubt anyone else here is. I might be wrong, and I'd gladly take back that statement if anyone proves they are.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:26:00 -
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To the people saying that there is no proof linking carbon dioxide to global warming:
Absence of proof is not proof of absence.
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vanBuskirk
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Posted - 2006.01.06 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shinar There is no real way ANYONE can know for sure, one way or another. We do not have enough data to confirm or deny a global warming/cooling trend or not.
For all we know this could be a natural "warm" cycle of the earth. Perhaps in a couple hundred years we will know for sure.
Shinar
PS: I also never deny the emission might have something to do with it. My point is: We don't know for sure.
Sure. Wait and see. In a couple of hundred years we'll know.
Wait until we manage to kick Earth into a runaway greenhouse.
Hot and dry for the next billion years. Yummy. Of course, 400 deg C and 90 atmospheres of pressure might just be a little too warm...
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:04:00 -
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I don't know, I agree with the people saying we don't have enough data. But something fishie is going that noone can deny. The weird weather, and weirdness in nature, with trees, either blosseming in the incorrect season, or not losing their leaves, birds laying eggs more then they should and in the wrong seasons again. Lotsa stuff that indicates that something isn't like it should be in nature. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Annie 46947
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:15:00 -
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Gasoline isn't that flammaable, and it doesnt leak easily. I'm that jerk everyone likes to scowl at that sits and smokes while fueling up. OK, its safe .. enough. Haha, barrring human stupity like smoking while filling up ;) its pretty proven stuff. Suggesting it's a small molecule is just silly. But sure, I see your point. Though by comparison to hydrogen it's the safest stuff in the world. Like running your car off beach sand.
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Voculus
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Posted - 2006.01.06 13:18:00 -
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Quote: The fact is that the US has 5% of the World's population, but accounts for over 20% of it's carbon dioxide emissions. It also refused to sign up to the Kyoto agreement, and refuse to accept that carbon dioxide is even a problem.
I hate to respond with chest-thumping, but this kind of misleading rhetoric begs it.
Did you ever wonder why we use that power? Let me give you a rundown: The United States leads the world in wealth, military might, healthcare, pharmaceuticals, science, aeoronautics, computers, agriculture, and host of other vital contributions that raise the quality of life not just in the West, but throughout the entire world.
Do you think we burn coal just to watch it? No, we produce electricity with it, and more cleanly than any other country on earth, I might add, to heat peoples' homes, so they can go to work for places like Intel and AMD.
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