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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:26:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:
I still don't think only 30-40 freighters are getting killed a month. I'm sure it's a bit more.
What makes you so sure?
Certainly, you must have access to some sort of metrics you could share with us. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:31:00 -
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Elizabeth Aideron wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:baltec1 wrote:S Byerley wrote:
I said that, while working, it's common to gank a freighter every 20 minutes on average. You're interpreting my position to mean that a freighter dies every 20 minutes.
If your definition of straw man varies from the above, perhaps you can grace me with a description.
So why is it that only 30 to 40 get killed a month? Are you counting the total number destroyed or just the ones you yourself kill? I've seen war reports with higher numbers (and yes, plenty of wardecs are enabled simply to destroy freighters). I get this thread is based on ganks with no wardecs, flags, etc... but it looks like facts are also getting twisted around to suit theories so it may be worth bringing that up. Because wardecs are irrelevant to the discussion. You could bake a DCII into the hull and they would still trivially die to a legal target.
If we are talking about the balancing of freighters in regards to the # of destroyers and the ehp of a freighter hull, it is indeed relevant.
"But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:baltec1 wrote:S Byerley wrote:
I said that, while working, it's common to gank a freighter every 20 minutes on average. You're interpreting my position to mean that a freighter dies every 20 minutes.
If your definition of straw man varies from the above, perhaps you can grace me with a description.
So why is it that only 30 to 40 get killed a month? Are you counting the total number destroyed or just the ones you yourself kill? I've seen war reports with higher numbers (and yes, plenty of wardecs are enabled simply to destroy freighters). I get this thread is based on ganks with no wardecs, flags, etc... but it looks like facts are also getting twisted around to suit theories so it may be worth bringing that up. Wardecs are not suicide ganks and thus dont count as suicide ganks
Freighters are freighters, so they count as freighters. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:S Byerley wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Except we don't actually make that much isk from ganking freighters. You seem to be ignoring this fact. baltec claimed that 15+ people made 60b in one day... then claimed that figure matched up with your 2m/hour/person. You'll have to fogive me if that gets a little confusing. Suicide ganking isn't a taxable activity. I see where you're going wrong here, you don't understand game mechanics. baltec did say they had a 3bil tax to wallet and their tax rate was 5%... Whether you guys donate a portion of your proceeds to a specific wallet or not is not really the argument is it? That was from ratting with a fleet.
/shrug "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Dave Stark
3547
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:33:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:baltec1 wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:baltec1 wrote:S Byerley wrote:
I said that, while working, it's common to gank a freighter every 20 minutes on average. You're interpreting my position to mean that a freighter dies every 20 minutes.
If your definition of straw man varies from the above, perhaps you can grace me with a description.
So why is it that only 30 to 40 get killed a month? Are you counting the total number destroyed or just the ones you yourself kill? I've seen war reports with higher numbers (and yes, plenty of wardecs are enabled simply to destroy freighters). I get this thread is based on ganks with no wardecs, flags, etc... but it looks like facts are also getting twisted around to suit theories so it may be worth bringing that up. Wardecs are not suicide ganks and thus dont count as suicide ganks Freighters are freighters, so they count as freighters.
but freighters that don't die to suicide ganks are irrelevant to the discussion in this thread. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:35:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Psychoactive Stimulant wrote:These ******** goon bitches would cry so hard if a freighter could fit a damage control. I'm for this idea just to see these gankers cry.
It's nice enough seeing freighter pilots cry (srsly... 2 webs and you instawarp, you get no love either), don't get me wrong. But wouldnt' it be nice to see these gankers cry in forums?
It'd sound like this:
"CCP, why'd you nerf ganking?" "My epeen is broken!!! Unnerf ganking!"
The gankers can call frieghter pilots names all day, but you all know that if a freighter could fit a damage control, you'd see ganker tears like Niagra in here. I like this post. It's a pleasant fiction, kind of like a fairy tale. Now let's talk about what happens in reality. Freighter Boy sees that he can now fit a DCII, and squeals with delight at this new buff. However, instead of just fitting the DCII, and becoming even less profitable to gank, Freighter Boy crams even more valuable **** into his hold. Because this is what the greedy, stupid freighter pilots do. The gankers just add a Talos or two to their catalyst gang, and enjoy an even richer payday.* Thus is the status quo preserved. *A Talos or two is hyperbole, because it would take a handful once you buff all that structure. But the fact remains that the status quo would not change.
So change a 20 catalyst fleet to.... what... 37 of them?
That would have a serious impact on suicide ganking freighters. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:36:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Murk Paradox wrote: I'm still not sure an unreinforced server would allow that to be honest.
CCP's hardware problems don't negate the fact that given enough free noobships, you could kill a titan with them, at absolutely zero cost for materials.
Validity.
Given enough ships into a system it matters when Concord is involved and you cannot coordinate an alpha strike correctly.
"Could" being the relative term. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:And it was so profitable, too! It was the reason it was ganked. Bat Country only ganks for profit remember. We got several billion from that one. Most of the double wrapped frdighters drop good stuff.
I do not dispute it =P "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
462
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:38:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Dave Stark wrote:it wouldn't be so bad, but murk is an obvious and self confessed forum troll. why do people even bother replying to him? I said I have trolled people. And listed the reasons for doing it. Doesn't mean I AM a troll. You focus on too many incorrect things sir. By post, you troll far more than me. And as an edit, it would be better without people like you NOT contributing to the thread. Blame grr goons for that one, it's just too easy. oh please, you troll far more than i ever have. better without people like me not posting... is that a double negative?
You've trolled in this thread more than I have in the last week.
Take your "oh please" elsewhere.
Not a double negative, a double entendre moreso. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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baltec1
Bat Country
7802
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:39:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Psychoactive Stimulant wrote:These ******** goon bitches would cry so hard if a freighter could fit a damage control. I'm for this idea just to see these gankers cry.
It's nice enough seeing freighter pilots cry (srsly... 2 webs and you instawarp, you get no love either), don't get me wrong. But wouldnt' it be nice to see these gankers cry in forums?
It'd sound like this:
"CCP, why'd you nerf ganking?" "My epeen is broken!!! Unnerf ganking!"
The gankers can call frieghter pilots names all day, but you all know that if a freighter could fit a damage control, you'd see ganker tears like Niagra in here. I like this post. It's a pleasant fiction, kind of like a fairy tale. Now let's talk about what happens in reality. Freighter Boy sees that he can now fit a DCII, and squeals with delight at this new buff. However, instead of just fitting the DCII, and becoming even less profitable to gank, Freighter Boy crams even more valuable **** into his hold. Because this is what the greedy, stupid freighter pilots do. The gankers just add a Talos or two to their catalyst gang, and enjoy an even richer payday.* Thus is the status quo preserved. *A Talos or two is hyperbole, because it would take a handful once you buff all that structure. But the fact remains that the status quo would not change. So change a 20 catalyst fleet to.... what... 37 of them? That would have a serious impact on suicide ganking freighters.
We have already used 40 on freighters before now. |
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Dave Stark
3547
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:40:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Dave Stark wrote:it wouldn't be so bad, but murk is an obvious and self confessed forum troll. why do people even bother replying to him? I said I have trolled people. And listed the reasons for doing it. Doesn't mean I AM a troll. You focus on too many incorrect things sir. By post, you troll far more than me. And as an edit, it would be better without people like you NOT contributing to the thread. Blame grr goons for that one, it's just too easy. oh please, you troll far more than i ever have. better without people like me not posting... is that a double negative? You've trolled in this thread more than I have in the last week. Take your "oh please" elsewhere. Not a double negative, a double entendre moreso.
you heard it here first folks; raising legitimate points is trolling. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
462
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:48:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:baltec1 wrote:S Byerley wrote:baltec1 wrote:Still stands that if ganking freighters was easy and massively profitable there would be more than 40 getting ganked a week. If you accept my assertion, then it only stands that organizations comfortable with the moral tradeoff would participate. (which, AFAIK, is pretty accuracte). However, those likely to make the tradeoff are also less likely to be interested in the profit, making it hard to distinguish. People do this for the profit not the km. Again, if it was as easy and profitable as you seem to think it is then there would be a lot more people doing it. But it's less than incursions and L4 incomes... Yes it is.
Well, I think a statement like that is technically disengenuous as the 2 cannot compare. Suicide ganking would obviously have a huge gap in regards to frequency as well as gained loot not to mention the success rate. With all the time to prepare and get things rolling, a straight comparison would be a comparison of setup.
For instance... you cannot guarantee you can hit the ground rolling in either scenario. If you use the armor or shield channel for incursions, you will see some fleets literally take hours to form up, let alone the random sorting our the fleet requirements from the +/- of logi, t3, bs etc.
That could, compare to the research scouting of finding a loot pinata to smash. But I hardly doubt it.
I'm going to assume, with a chance of being wrong, you are comparing a 5bil payday from 1 kill that took 5 hours to organize, to an incursion fleet that's been "raiding" for 5 hours nonstop and counting all that cool LP(Loot fairy aside).
L4s are pretty constant as well in regards to income, and the levels of having solo versus fleet versus small gang is so varied, I don't think the comparison fits.
Apples are not oranges. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
462
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:49:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:
I still don't think only 30-40 freighters are getting killed a month. I'm sure it's a bit more.
What makes you so sure? Certainly, you must have access to some sort of metrics you could share with us.
Well, war reports for one. We are talking about ways to kill a freighter. Suicide ganks are not the only way to kill one. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:50:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
but freighters that don't die to suicide ganks are irrelevant to the discussion in this thread.
Why? This thread is talking about freighters and jump freighters. This is not a thread about suicide ganking. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:51:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Dave Stark wrote:it wouldn't be so bad, but murk is an obvious and self confessed forum troll. why do people even bother replying to him? I said I have trolled people. And listed the reasons for doing it. Doesn't mean I AM a troll. You focus on too many incorrect things sir. By post, you troll far more than me. And as an edit, it would be better without people like you NOT contributing to the thread. Blame grr goons for that one, it's just too easy. oh please, you troll far more than i ever have. better without people like me not posting... is that a double negative? You've trolled in this thread more than I have in the last week. Take your "oh please" elsewhere. Not a double negative, a double entendre moreso. you heard it here first folks; raising legitimate points is trolling.
So you confirm I make valid points. Thank you. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1323
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:51:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:
I still don't think only 30-40 freighters are getting killed a month. I'm sure it's a bit more.
What makes you so sure? Certainly, you must have access to some sort of metrics you could share with us. Well, war reports for one. We are talking about ways to kill a freighter. Suicide ganks are not the only way to kill one.
Actually, 'we' are discussing only suicide ganks of freighters. No one knows what the hell you're discussing. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Dave Stark
3547
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:52:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:So you confirm I make valid points. Thank you.
we were talking about me, not you. nobody has any interest in talking about you. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:53:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
but freighters that don't die to suicide ganks are irrelevant to the discussion in this thread.
Why? This thread is talking about freighters and jump freighters. This is not a thread about suicide ganking.
yes it is. read the OP, it's about 3 paragraphs of tears about suicide gankers ganking freighters and jfs.
this is why you're an obvious troll. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1323
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:53:00 -
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Lucy Hastmena wrote:Because of all the small Ship buffs, Freighter and Jump freighter become really easy to gank in the High Sec. ...SNIP FOR BREVITY... Please give the freighter and Jump Freighter Pilots a chance to survive in High Sec. They should still be killable by suizid gankers, but it must be in a way that the costs to gank these Ships must be the same than the costs of the ganked ship itself.
Even OP was originally discussing high sec suicide ganking. So why are you trying to take the thread off topic? Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
462
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:55:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:
I still don't think only 30-40 freighters are getting killed a month. I'm sure it's a bit more.
What makes you so sure? Certainly, you must have access to some sort of metrics you could share with us. Well, war reports for one. We are talking about ways to kill a freighter. Suicide ganks are not the only way to kill one. Actually, 'we' are discussing only suicide ganks of freighters. No one knows what the hell you're discussing.
That's awesome. Maybe we should go back to the beginning of the thread.
I'll start. First sentence. "Because of all the small Ship buffs, Freighter and Jump freighter become really easy to gank in the High Sec.".
Now, I'll post the rest, for posterity.
"Normally just say, dont carrie that much in a Freighter or Jumpfreighter but that is not the reason for beeing ganked, its just because its so easy. The Price of a Rhea for example is around 6.5 Billions and has around 300k EHP with Jump Freighter Skill Level 5. 17 Brutix kill this Ship without any risk worth around 1 Billion. Even 25 Catalysts can destroy a Jump freighter in 0.5 Systems (around 560 DPS for 25 Seconds -> 14k+ Dmg *25 = 350k Dmg). The Price of one Catalyst is around 12 mio full fittet (t2 with dmg rigs). So you have around 300 million loss for a guranteered Jump Freighter Kill a normal Freighter has less than 200k EHP and will be killed more easier.
Additional every ******* ISBoxer user can build up his own ganking squad like nothing. This combination was seen for example in 1.0 Systems with around 20 tornados between Jita and Amarr. Yes it was an ISBoxer, he was really stupid so he tried to smack in local and every of his alts did the same at the same second.
Please give the freighter and Jump Freighter Pilots a chance to survive in High Sec. They should still be killable by suizid gankers, but it must be in a way that the costs to gank these Ships must be the same than the costs of the ganked ship itself."
Please pay special attention to the last sentence. I'll underline it for you.
Strange isn't it... the OP actually saying you SHOULD be able to suicide gank, whereas you are talking about how we SHOULD be able to... suicide gank?
Fascinating. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:56:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:So you confirm I make valid points. Thank you. we were talking about me, not you. nobody has any interest in talking about you.
I beg to differ, and can quote you to the contrary. I'm not the one who mentioned you in this thread.
And who is this "we"? Weren't you boasting about being antisocial earlier? (I told you not to pick a fight you couldn't win dumbfuck). "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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baltec1
Bat Country
7802
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:57:00 -
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So wardecs have nothing to do with this thread. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:58:00 -
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It's almost like the OP is talking about the validity of destroyers in this game and their output versus the inability of the freighter to tank them.
I'm sorry valid points and being in a discussion on point is considered being an "obvious troll" to you Dave. Perhaps you should work on being a bit more socialable. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:59:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:So you confirm I make valid points. Thank you. we were talking about me, not you. nobody has any interest in talking about you. I beg to differ, and can quote you to the contrary. I'm not the one who mentioned you in this thread. And who is this "we"? Weren't you boasting about being antisocial earlier? (I told you not to pick a fight you couldn't win dumbfuck).
oh look, personal attacks. isn't there one of those unwritten rules that when you make a personal attack you've pretty much already lost the argument?
you're losing your touch murk, you used to be a half decent troll. sad to see you've slipped. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:59:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:So wardecs have nothing to do with this thread.
About as much as suicide ganks actually. We are talking about freighters and jump freighters being able to tank damage from small ships in highsec.
Even the op mentioned suicide ganks were not in question. I posted the entire first post just to make sure. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1324
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Posted - 2013.09.03 20:00:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:So wardecs have nothing to do with this thread.
Pretty much. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.09.03 20:00:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:So you confirm I make valid points. Thank you. we were talking about me, not you. nobody has any interest in talking about you. I beg to differ, and can quote you to the contrary. I'm not the one who mentioned you in this thread. And who is this "we"? Weren't you boasting about being antisocial earlier? (I told you not to pick a fight you couldn't win dumbfuck). oh look, personal attacks. isn't there one of those unwritten rules that when you make a personal attack you've pretty much already lost the argument? you're losing your touch murk, you used to be a half decent troll. sad to see you've slipped.
If you truly feel offended by me I apologize. I was only commented on your caliber of posting. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1324
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Posted - 2013.09.03 20:01:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:baltec1 wrote:So wardecs have nothing to do with this thread. About as much as suicide ganks actually. We are talking about freighters and jump freighters being able to tank damage from small ships in highsec. Even the op mentioned suicide ganks were not in question. I posted the entire first post just to make sure.
I think you should re-read that post to make sure. It's pretty obvious what they're talking about. Being killed as a vaild target under wardec is not getting ganked. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.09.03 20:01:00 -
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"Please give the freighter and Jump Freighter Pilots a chance to survive in High Sec."
This looks like the actual topic of this thread. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.09.03 20:01:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:So you confirm I make valid points. Thank you. we were talking about me, not you. nobody has any interest in talking about you. I beg to differ, and can quote you to the contrary. I'm not the one who mentioned you in this thread. And who is this "we"? Weren't you boasting about being antisocial earlier? (I told you not to pick a fight you couldn't win dumbfuck). oh look, personal attacks. isn't there one of those unwritten rules that when you make a personal attack you've pretty much already lost the argument? you're losing your touch murk, you used to be a half decent troll. sad to see you've slipped. If you truly feel offended by me I apologize. I was only commented on your caliber of posting.
so not only do you have to resort to personal attacks, you're not even discussing the topic of the thread. c'mon murk, you're better than this. |
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