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Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:12:00 -
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There has been a few thread written by other Japanese and non-Japanese players discussing the upcoming NEXON payment system for Japanese players. This is related to it, but its another topic, a concern raised in Japanese forums regarding the use of BOTs in NEXON games other than EVE.
One of the fellow Japanese player filed a petition regarding the use of BOTs in other NEXON games than EVE and use the earned NEXon points to buy in PLEX, and he got a not-so-ambiguous answer from CCP.
The returned answer was "s+ètñ+pü¿püùpüªpü»EVES+Ñsñûpü«BOTpü½TûópüÖpéïF¦¬sòÅpü½pü»püèt¡öpüêpüºpüìpü+pü¢péôpÇé", which says "CCP cannot answer questions regarding any use of BOT in any other games but EVE Online."
If above is true, you can create a NEXON bot account (know that this is bad thing in their game TOS and you risk yourself a ban), let it earn about 100 USD or so a month, buy in the Plexes and transfer it to whoever's account. CCP's TOS only affects those BOTs in EVE Online, and NEXON games are "KNOWN" for not caring a bit about fighting bots farming. Bot-earned Nexon points in Maplestories are often used in Mabinogi (I know too many friends who play for free from it), or bot-earned points in Mabinogi used in other games like EVE. Apparently, they don't ban you so often unless u are a hacker.
CCP gets money whenever someone pays them a PLEX with NEXon Point, and doesn't care one bit about their use of BOT in "other games"....
Well, after April 1st, next year, what do you think would happen? EVE Market collapse? PLEX price down? I don't know about economy of EVE, but I sure hope the Mr.Dr-in-Economy knows how big the effect will be...
Please give us your open opinions, fellow ship huggers! |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
170
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:15:00 -
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Confirming that when you run EVE for the first time you don't need to click a little "I agree" button which makes botting a punishable offence.
Nope.
Try again. |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:16:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Confirming that when you run EVE for the first time you don't need to click a little "I agree" button which makes botting a punishable offence.
Nope.
Try again.
You don't use BOT in EVE Online, you use BOT in NEXON, NEXON is a Korean based publisher who also is big in Japan, and recently CCP "partnered" up with them. They are 2 Different companies. |
BigCountry
Knights Of Anarchy Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:27:00 -
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Ok so basically what your saying is people use bots in another game connected to this Nexon group... and they get some kind of nexon currency and then they use this currency to pay for EVE... If that is true, then ya, that is crap. CCP has no rights or abilities to enforce no botting rules if the botting is done inside of another game |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:30:00 -
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BigCountry wrote:Ok so basically what your saying is people use bots in another game conencted to this Nexon group... and they get some kind of nexon currency and then they and use this currency to pay for EVE... If that is true, then ya, that is crap. CCP has no rights or abilities to enforce no botting rules if the botting is done inside of another game
If my understanding is correct, this is exactly the story. And NEXON is known for their complete inability to track down or do anything about fighting bots. There are also many "professional" chinese botters companies who "live" on botting as their daily job. Yes, u can even cash out from NEXON games using illegal RMT and they never ban you. |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
170
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:34:00 -
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This actually isn't TERRIBLY bad. Basically, Maple Story bots grind mushrooms which are then traded for Nexonwhatever points. These points are used to buy a PLEX. These PLEX enter EVE, and either give someone a free sub, or a pimped ship. Supply of PLEX in EVE increases, lowering the price.
Not as bad as botting in EVE, as it's fiddly, dependant on more manual interaction, and won't run as rampant.
So, basically, it's not too different from some guy spending $1000 cash on PLEX, and adding it to EVE to pimp out their stuff. Instead of money, time is being spent. Also, I imagine there'd be some kind of supply/demand thing for Nexonmushroom points and the PLEX. Maybe. That would sort things out very nicely. |
Matalino
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:46:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:This actually isn't TERRIBLY bad. Basically, Maple Story bots grind mushrooms which are then traded for Nexonwhatever points. These points are used to buy a PLEX. These PLEX enter EVE, and either give someone a free sub, or a pimped ship. Supply of PLEX in EVE increases, lowering the price. This!
I really don't care if some NEXON games get botted to hell and back. If those game developers want to fund CCP all the better. You can be certain that CCP will get paid for each PLEX created.
Really there is no different between botting those games to pay for PLEXs and botting the stock market to pay for PLEXs. CCP gets paid, and there is no impact on the game market aside from an increase in subscriptions, which is a good thing. |
Swordfingers
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:47:00 -
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So what? When I rob a bank and use the money to pay for subscription, CCP doesn't (shouldn't and, actually, can't) give a poopoo. It's their concern only if it's going on in their game. |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:56:00 -
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hmm, maybe then I might do it when it comes, sounds like easy setup and it grinds forever, why play missions anyway, i should recommend any EVE players to do it then |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
185
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:18:00 -
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CCP has no control over the source of funds used to buy plex, no matter if it's cash or game tokens. it makes no difference other than eve adding a new way to buy plex,
is that the issue?
because otherwise people could bot in nexon, convert their loot to cash or GTC and get plex from EVE even if they didn't use the same billing service.
Now I can see a potential issue with making it ultra easy to do with the nexon points or whatever and perhaps CCP should closely monitor the sales of PLEX for Nex points to make sure the economy isn't getting borked by a sudden influx of PLEX from millions of Japanese bots
better yet only allow nex points for aur The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
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Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:24:00 -
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Swordfingers wrote:So what? When I rob a bank and use the money to pay for subscription, CCP doesn't (shouldn't and, actually, can't) give a poopoo. It's their concern only if it's going on in their game.
Actually, if you know that the money is stolen then you have a legal obligation (in the US at least) to not accept the stolen money as payment for services. Or if you do accept the stolen money you have the legal obligation to not "intentionally deprive the original owner of their property" - meaning that you must return it to it's rightful owner.
This is why when bots pay for their subscriptions with stolen credit cards, CCP doesn't get to keep the subscription revenues from the charges made to stolen credit cards. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:27:00 -
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Really?
Hmm.. how do i go about paying my account through NEXON? Can i use proxy? GÇ£Status quo, you know, is Latin for 'the mess we're in.GÇ¥
~ Ronald Reagan |
Amro One
One.
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:27:00 -
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So where do i sign up to get my Bots running in another game so it can pay for my EVE accounts?????
Nothing says Free-to-play like botting a free-to-pay game to pay for me games.
BARBIE WANTS NEW SHOES |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. The Lostboys
106
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:55:00 -
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Im missing a few details here.
Where do NEXON points come from? Is it something created by a person spending money, then traded in game, like a PLEX?
Or are NEXON points created by in-game activities alone? And if so, how does that make any company real money?
Are we sure PLEX will be for sale for NEXON points? CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:03:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Im missing a few details here.
Where do NEXON points come from? Is it something created by a person spending money, then traded in game, like a PLEX?
Or are NEXON points created by in-game activities alone? And if so, how does that make any company real money?
Are we sure PLEX will be for sale for NEXON points?
They work a similar way as PLEX do, except they have much less security over their bot policy, and allows you to carry over your Nexon Point throughout their game archive, allowing you to exploit in one game, spend it on the other. Oh, and those games NEXON has are "Free-To-Play" so you don't need to grind 420m per month per account.
Someone buys NEXON point by cash, and buys items which are listed by real players "or bots". With their bot policy, its almost a free giveaway. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
104
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:04:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:This actually isn't TERRIBLY bad. Basically, Maple Story bots grind mushrooms which are then traded for Nexonwhatever points. These points are used to buy a PLEX. These PLEX enter EVE, and either give someone a free sub, or a pimped ship. Supply of PLEX in EVE increases, lowering the price.
Not as bad as botting in EVE, as it's fiddly, dependant on more manual interaction, and won't run as rampant.
So, basically, it's not too different from some guy spending $1000 cash on PLEX, and adding it to EVE to pimp out their stuff. Instead of money, time is being spent. Also, I imagine there'd be some kind of supply/demand thing for Nexonmushroom points and the PLEX. Maybe. That would sort things out very nicely. not bad? this is ******* horrible
isk faucet anyone? |
Koby Botick
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:07:00 -
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There isn't much difference between this and for example botting in WoW (not allowed), then RMTing Gold to cash (not allowed) and use that money to buy a plex (legal) and get that into EVE.
The illicit action takes place outside of EVE and thus outside of any of CCPs influence and jurisdiction.
Also as DarkAegix correctly recognizes, it affects another's game economy negatively, not EVE's (unless the influx of PLEX is going to act negatively on the market). I actually prefer that to EVE market affecting bots, knowing that as long as botting is possible and worth it, someone is going to do it. In the end though, it's no different in effect than what I wrote in the first sentence. |
Amro One
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:11:00 -
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Swordfingers wrote:
This is why when bots pay for their subscriptions with stolen credit cards, CCP doesn't get to keep the subscription revenues from the charges made to stolen credit cards.
Yes they do. |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
0
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:17:00 -
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Killstealing wrote:isk faucet anyone? At which point in any of the possible processes described in this thread was ISK created again? |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:19:00 -
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Horrible Logic.
Nexon = banks front doors.
Eve = Bank vault.
Different conditions needed of entry of either. |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:44:00 -
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my 2 isk is:
You guys are playing with fire... All GëíGêçGëí Ships | Many Odd GëíGêçGëí Items (+Drones) | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:45:00 -
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Tommy Laughingface wrote:If above is true, you can create a NEXON bot account (know that this is bad thing in their game TOS and you risk yourself a ban), let it earn about 100 USD or so a month, buy in the Plexes and transfer it to whoever's account.
How is this any different from someone working their day job, earning themselves $100, buying the PLEXes and doing whatever the heck they want with them? |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.28 18:26:00 -
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BigCountry wrote:Ok so basically what your saying is people use bots in another game connected to this Nexon group... and they get some kind of nexon currency and then they use this currency to pay for EVE... If that is true, then ya, that is crap. CCP has no rights or abilities to enforce no botting rules if the botting is done inside of another game
sounds like a great idea, EVE but free to play O.o
Well not really but its free to ME lol **** FiS Its Called EVE |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
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Posted - 2011.10.28 23:04:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:If above is true, you can create a NEXON bot account (know that this is bad thing in their game TOS and you risk yourself a ban), let it earn about 100 USD or so a month, buy in the Plexes and transfer it to whoever's account. How is this any different from someone working their day job, earning themselves $100, buying the PLEXes and doing whatever the heck they want with them?
Do you make 100$ while watching TV at home? Bot does. And there are many players in NEXON games who have no moral values on using bot in MMO. While PvP is a big end-content in EVE, "making isk in-game" is also a big frontend content EVE offers, but with NEXON's arrival to the scene, and with such moral collapse in community (very possible), CCP will risk devaluing big part of their gameplay. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.10.28 23:27:00 -
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Tommy Laughingface wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:If above is true, you can create a NEXON bot account (know that this is bad thing in their game TOS and you risk yourself a ban), let it earn about 100 USD or so a month, buy in the Plexes and transfer it to whoever's account. How is this any different from someone working their day job, earning themselves $100, buying the PLEXes and doing whatever the heck they want with them? Do you make 100$ while watching TV at home? Bot does. And there are many players in NEXON games who have no moral values on using bot in MMO. While PvP is a big end-content in EVE, "making isk in-game" is also a big frontend content EVE offers, but with NEXON's arrival to the scene, and with such moral collapse in community (very possible), CCP will risk devaluing big part of their gameplay.
You realize youre essentially telling ppl TO do this, right?
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
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Posted - 2011.10.28 23:33:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:You realize youre essentially telling ppl TO do this, right?
Our fellow player asked CCP in regard of the bot use in other games and using the NeXon Points to buy Plex. CCP's official answer was "who cares, give us moneh!"
Sooo, even if you "DO" it, its 100% legal for CCP and EVE. Wanna try? (devil's whisper |
KaarBaak
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Posted - 2011.10.28 23:45:00 -
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My guess is that these PLEX will end up on the RMT market. THATs the bigger risk to CCP.
Folks grind one of those other games for Nexon points Redeem Nexon points for PLEX Sell PLEX on one of the dozens of RMT sites for less than retail. Profit
Though a bannable violation, it happens now and will happen in the future. I think it's just the cost of doing business.
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Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.10.29 00:35:00 -
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Tommy Laughingface wrote:
Well, after April 1st, next year
April fools? And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Captain Alcatraz
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.10.29 01:32:00 -
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Tommy Laughingface wrote:DarkAegix wrote:Confirming that when you run EVE for the first time you don't need to click a little "I agree" button which makes botting a punishable offence.
Nope.
Try again. You don't use BOT in EVE Online, you use BOT in NEXON, NEXON is a Korean based publisher who also is big in Japan, and recently CCP "partnered" up with them. They are 2 Different companies.
big in Japan
big in Japan
big in Japan |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
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Posted - 2011.10.29 01:37:00 -
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Captain Alcatraz wrote:
big in Japan
big in Japan
big in Japan
CCP Navigator wrote: Nexon will be handling our billing for the localized client and payment security, is of course, a high priority for them. They are one of the biggest publishers in Japan. CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance
big in Japan
big in Japan
big in Japan |
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