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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
1093
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Posted - 2013.08.23 03:55:00 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote: Same thing goes with a problem President and a Problem Empress.
Think about it, people only need to put up with a crazed President for one term (you could argue it's their fault for electing him and their responsibility) meanwhile, an Emperor or Empress that's going off the walls is holding back their nation for as long as they live.
We have ways of ensuring this does not happen. Our methods are just a bit more... heroic than the drab systemic safeguards the Gallente have. Assassins and the Speakers of Truth make for much better poetry than an impeachment.
I see it is a matter of cultural difference then. We don't do things so people can recite them in verses and prayers for the next thousand years. Simply get the job done, have the media praise it or condemn it for two weeks and forget about it. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
1101
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:29:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:I see it is a matter of cultural difference then. We don't do things so people can recite them in verses and prayers for the next thousand years. Simply get the job done, have the media praise it or condemn it for two weeks and forget about it. This statement made me very sad, sir. I hope that one day, the soul of your nation stirs poetry and epics once again, and that its actions will be sung on the stages of our descendants.
That which moves Gallentine hands ought also stir Gallentine hearts. I hope this returns to you. |
Rioghal Morgan
Pixel Navigators WINMATAR.
34
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:52:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:I see it is a matter of cultural difference then. We don't do things so people can recite them in verses and prayers for the next thousand years. Simply get the job done, have the media praise it or condemn it for two weeks and forget about it. This statement made me very sad, sir. I hope that one day, the soul of your nation stirs poetry and epics once again, and that its actions will be sung on the stages of our descendants. That which moves Gallentine hands ought also stir Gallentine hearts. I hope this returns to you. Captain Shutaq is speaking of assasination, ma'am. With respect, that is something I am glad doesn't stir my people's hearts.
Such matters should only be resorted too after heavy consideration and are not fit things for glorification. |
Trensk Mikakka
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Innovia Alliance
8
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Posted - 2013.08.23 05:08:00 -
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I'll say this once, and very clearly: If something was going to happen, it should've happened already, in my opinion. Something COULD happen soon, but if the Amaar didn't do anything yet then I see no reason to be too overtly worried. The Saurum heir is only that, a Heir. The Empress makes the final decision, of course, and since nothing has happened, I doubt things will happen. I may be wrong, but I could be right too. |
Shintoko Akahoshi
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
377
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Posted - 2013.08.23 05:18:00 -
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My. How clear. Bio and writing
(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated) |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
1101
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Posted - 2013.08.23 05:18:00 -
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Rioghal Morgan wrote:Scherezad wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:I see it is a matter of cultural difference then. We don't do things so people can recite them in verses and prayers for the next thousand years. Simply get the job done, have the media praise it or condemn it for two weeks and forget about it. This statement made me very sad, sir. I hope that one day, the soul of your nation stirs poetry and epics once again, and that its actions will be sung on the stages of our descendants. That which moves Gallentine hands ought also stir Gallentine hearts. I hope this returns to you. Captain Shutaq is speaking of assasination, ma'am. With respect, that is something I am glad doesn't stir my people's hearts. Such matters, while sometimes necessary, should only be resorted too after heavy consideration and are not fit things for glorification.
While love and fame may cause the heart to swell, So too should hate, and loathing ought as well. |
Trensk Mikakka
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Innovia Alliance
8
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Posted - 2013.08.23 05:23:00 -
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Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:My. How clear.
Sarcasm is unbecoming of you. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
1095
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Posted - 2013.08.23 05:38:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:I see it is a matter of cultural difference then. We don't do things so people can recite them in verses and prayers for the next thousand years. Simply get the job done, have the media praise it or condemn it for two weeks and forget about it. This statement made me very sad, sir. I hope that one day, the soul of your nation stirs poetry and epics once again, and that its actions will be sung on the stages of our descendants. That which moves Gallentine hands ought also stir Gallentine hearts. I hope this returns to you.
Poetry, literature, and all the arts have their place in our society and are of great value. However, the arts are reactionary. Only a madman would do something with the sole intent if having people represent it in the arts. That is what men like Tibus Heth do and look where it got him.
People who want their story sung about or dramaticized before the story is told will get their wish in some cases, yet it will be different than the story they wanted. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1498
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Posted - 2013.08.23 06:23:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Scherezad wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:I see it is a matter of cultural difference then. We don't do things so people can recite them in verses and prayers for the next thousand years. Simply get the job done, have the media praise it or condemn it for two weeks and forget about it. This statement made me very sad, sir. I hope that one day, the soul of your nation stirs poetry and epics once again, and that its actions will be sung on the stages of our descendants. That which moves Gallentine hands ought also stir Gallentine hearts. I hope this returns to you. Poetry, literature, and all the arts have their place in our society and are of great value. However, the arts are reactionary. Only a madman would do something with the sole intent if having people represent it in the arts. That is what men like Tibus Heth do and look where it got him. People who want their story sung about or dramaticized before the story is told will get their wish in some cases, yet it will be different than the story they wanted.
Psssh... You're just unhappy because nobody made a dramatic statue of you. Did I mention that someone made a dramatic statue of me? In bronze?
It's very nice. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
903
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:11:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote: And I thought the EoM were the only apocalyptic-themed cult around these days! You surprise me with such a prophecy of doom-and-gloom.
I'm sure the Udorians, or the Earlurians, or the NiKunni, or even the Khanid felt their worlds would come to and end as well, or perhaps that they'd "go out fighting."
Rubbish.
False comparison, Vitalia, and you know it. I'm not calling for the destruction of humanity as the EoM does. I'm not calling for the destruction of the Empire. I pointed out a likely outcome should the Amarr attack us. I'm stating the fact that we will never again be held captive by Amarr or, anyone else. The majority of us prefer death to enslavement. You're also wrong to compare us to those unfortunates who happened to be early victims of the imperials. The circumstances are totally different.
I assure you most emphatically that we will not bow before your Empire. We'll die fighting to the last or take our own lives before we'd let that happen.
I'd also caution you not to be so smug and remind you that you're considered a heretical dog in the eyes of the Empire; something to be reclaimed to the "true faith" or, put down. I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused. |
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
903
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:26:00 -
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TomHorn wrote:Reclaiming is part of the Amarr religion, part of their culture. Pro reclaiming forces are gathering. I would think there must be much more pro reclaiming than anti within the Empire.
The nations that are most anti reclaiming they are at war with, so why not re start. Bring in a work force of slaves, the best of which could be trained into Kameiras the elite fighting force of slaves in the Empire. Im sure there would also be economic gains to be had.
If the reclaiming is so wonderful,pilot, why not just submit yourself and your kin to the imperials right now? There's nothing stopping you from doing so.
Secondly, do you truly believe that the Amarr would simply stop with the Minmatar?
Before you start with the whole argument about the Amarr not attacking the State because you're currently trading partners and allied in the CONCORD sanctioned phony wars, I'd remind you of your own words; "Reclaiming is part of the Amarr religion, part of their culture." This is quite true. So, what do you think is more important to them? Your treaties or their scriptures and several millennia of tradition?
It would be most ironic if what you propose came to pass; that at some point in the distant future vast armies of Matari slave/soldiers are used by the imperials to overrun the State and show you firsthand the benefits of reclamation. I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
1097
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:35:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Scherezad wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:I see it is a matter of cultural difference then. We don't do things so people can recite them in verses and prayers for the next thousand years. Simply get the job done, have the media praise it or condemn it for two weeks and forget about it. This statement made me very sad, sir. I hope that one day, the soul of your nation stirs poetry and epics once again, and that its actions will be sung on the stages of our descendants. That which moves Gallentine hands ought also stir Gallentine hearts. I hope this returns to you. Poetry, literature, and all the arts have their place in our society and are of great value. However, the arts are reactionary. Only a madman would do something with the sole intent if having people represent it in the arts. That is what men like Tibus Heth do and look where it got him. People who want their story sung about or dramaticized before the story is told will get their wish in some cases, yet it will be different than the story they wanted. Psssh... You're just unhappy because nobody made a dramatic statue of you. Did I mention that someone made a dramatic statue of me? In bronze? It's very nice.
No statue yet, but in due time!
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2196
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Posted - 2013.08.23 16:19:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:If the reclaiming is so wonderful,pilot, why not just submit yourself and your kin to the imperials right now? There's nothing stopping you from doing so.
Secondly, do you truly believe that the Amarr would simply stop with the Minmatar?
Before you start with the whole argument about the Amarr not attacking the State because you're currently trading partners and allied in the CONCORD sanctioned phony wars, I'd remind you of your own words; "Reclaiming is part of the Amarr religion, part of their culture." This is quite true. So, what do you think is more important to them? Your treaties or their scriptures and several millennia of tradition?
It would be most ironic if what you propose came to pass; that at some point in the distant future vast armies of Matari slave/soldiers are used by the imperials to overrun the State and show you firsthand the benefits of reclamation.
Exactly. Any contract with the Amarr is doomed to last only as long as it takes for them to get around to Reclaiming us.
I keep saying it, and people keep ignoring it. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Shintoko Akahoshi
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
378
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:50:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Secondly, do you truly believe that the Amarr would simply stop with the Minmatar?
Before you start with the whole argument about the Amarr not attacking the State because you're currently trading partners and allied in the CONCORD sanctioned phony wars, I'd remind you of your own words; "Reclaiming is part of the Amarr religion, part of their culture." This is quite true. So, what do you think is more important to them? Your treaties or their scriptures and several millennia of tradition?
Realistically, if you look at the example of the Empire and the Federation, the Empire seems to limit Reclamation those who appear* substantially weaker than it. The implications should be an obvious exercise for the reader.
*That the Jove turned out to be distinctly not weaker doesn't change this fact. Bio and writing
(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated) |
Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
50
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Posted - 2013.08.23 19:56:00 -
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It has never been "if", more a matter of "when".
I find it quite amusing to watch every outsider shriek and clamour about something that has never been a secret.
The Amarr have all the time in the galaxy to assert your compliance with the one true faith.
Those who take the knee willingly and submit themselves to Gods all encompassing glory will find the transition to be comparably easy.
However, those who oppose Gods will be swept aside in due time. Alas their wasted sacrifice will not be remembered by their descendants when they see the Truth and are brought into the light. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3273
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Posted - 2013.08.23 20:16:00 -
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Laerise, your irrelevant shrieking has never been more amusing. Mane 614
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
1103
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Posted - 2013.08.23 20:30:00 -
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Laerise wrote:It has never been "if", more a matter of "when".
I find it quite amusing to watch every outsider shriek and clamour about something that has never been a secret.
The Amarr have all the time in the galaxy to assert your compliance with the one true faith.
Those who take the knee willingly and submit themselves to Gods all encompassing glory will find the transition to be comparably easy.
However, those who oppose Gods will be swept aside in due time. Alas their wasted sacrifice will not be remembered by their descendants when they see the Truth and are brought into the light.
"You'll all be under our control Soon(TM)" Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
613
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Posted - 2013.08.23 20:41:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:If the reclaiming is so wonderful,pilot, why not just submit yourself and your kin to the imperials right now? There's nothing stopping you from doing so.
Secondly, do you truly believe that the Amarr would simply stop with the Minmatar?
Before you start with the whole argument about the Amarr not attacking the State because you're currently trading partners and allied in the CONCORD sanctioned phony wars, I'd remind you of your own words; "Reclaiming is part of the Amarr religion, part of their culture." This is quite true. So, what do you think is more important to them? Your treaties or their scriptures and several millennia of tradition?
It would be most ironic if what you propose came to pass; that at some point in the distant future vast armies of Matari slave/soldiers are used by the imperials to overrun the State and show you firsthand the benefits of reclamation. Exactly. Any contract with the Amarr is doomed to last only as long as it takes for them to get around to Reclaiming us. I keep saying it, and people keep ignoring it.
Whilst it's always a very real possibility the Amarr may wish to pursue their religious reclaiming against the Caldari State in the future they are not doing so right this moment. As such it is to the present advantage of Caldari corporate interests to continue pursuing mutually advantageous business arrangements with the Empire, especially when Caldari corporations have an advantageous position in Imperial markets in comparison to Federal or Republic business interests.
I find it particularly foolish to expend Caldari blood and treasure to assist a Republic that has continuously remained ambivalent or even outright hostile to the Caldari people, have made the pursuit of business by Caldari corporations difficult if not almost impossible within their borders and in short expect much while offering little in return. Not as foolish I find as basing today's decisions and interests on an as yet to transpire hypothetical scenario.
The only time I see any assistance being lent to the Matari, is if the Empire acts in such a fashion as to be detrimental to the interests of the Caldari State and the majority of its corporations. Until such time arises I do not think all the moral aggrandizement in the cluster is going to cause the State as a whole to intercede in the affairs of either the Republic or Empire.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
2680
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Posted - 2013.08.23 20:44:00 -
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Anyone ever think that the Fed WOULD help the Republic smack the Amarr down just to make a point/score political points and look like the 'good guy' in all this? There's alternative ways to get whatcha want. In this case, a cooled down Republic and a ***** slapped Amarr.
And before Lari starts cheerleading, no you can't simply overwhelm Fed assistance cause god said so. Yes, the Fed can smack you down. No, you don't know just how large Fed forces are and neither do we know how large your's are so stop trying. No, I will not silence myself for being a heretical hedonistic Gallente scoundrel. Now go away.
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
568
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Posted - 2013.08.23 21:16:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:If the reclaiming is so wonderful,pilot, why not just submit yourself and your kin to the imperials right now? There's nothing stopping you from doing so.
Secondly, do you truly believe that the Amarr would simply stop with the Minmatar?
Before you start with the whole argument about the Amarr not attacking the State because you're currently trading partners and allied in the CONCORD sanctioned phony wars, I'd remind you of your own words; "Reclaiming is part of the Amarr religion, part of their culture." This is quite true. So, what do you think is more important to them? Your treaties or their scriptures and several millennia of tradition?
It would be most ironic if what you propose came to pass; that at some point in the distant future vast armies of Matari slave/soldiers are used by the imperials to overrun the State and show you firsthand the benefits of reclamation. Exactly. Any contract with the Amarr is doomed to last only as long as it takes for them to get around to Reclaiming us. I keep saying it, and people keep ignoring it.
There is a difference between common sense and hysterical alarmism. |
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
1104
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Posted - 2013.08.23 21:17:00 -
[171] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Anyone ever think that the Fed WOULD help the Republic smack the Amarr down just to make a point/score political points and look like the 'good guy' in all this? There's alternative ways to get whatcha want. In this case, a cooled down Republic and a ***** slapped Amarr.
After Colelie I would not be very fond of the Federation helping out the Republic the moment those golden ships cross the Republic border. The Republic has spent more time at odds with us than the Amarr in the past five years. How we can even still be considered "allies" is completely beyond me.
We don't need to score political points and look like good guys. Mind you we recently kicked the Caldari Navy out of Luminaire and were attacked by our treacherous "allies" . We don't need to do anything. The galaxy knows that we are not to be trifled with and stepped on. They have also seen our mercy, for against all better judgement and reasoning we didn't cut ourselves off from the Republic even though they need us infinitely more than we need them.
If the Empire ever does decide to launch their little reclaiming, we don't need to honor our alliance with the Republic, after all, they didn't honor it either. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
50
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Posted - 2013.08.23 21:36:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Stitcher wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:If the reclaiming is so wonderful,pilot, why not just submit yourself and your kin to the imperials right now? There's nothing stopping you from doing so.
Secondly, do you truly believe that the Amarr would simply stop with the Minmatar?
Before you start with the whole argument about the Amarr not attacking the State because you're currently trading partners and allied in the CONCORD sanctioned phony wars, I'd remind you of your own words; "Reclaiming is part of the Amarr religion, part of their culture." This is quite true. So, what do you think is more important to them? Your treaties or their scriptures and several millennia of tradition?
It would be most ironic if what you propose came to pass; that at some point in the distant future vast armies of Matari slave/soldiers are used by the imperials to overrun the State and show you firsthand the benefits of reclamation. Exactly. Any contract with the Amarr is doomed to last only as long as it takes for them to get around to Reclaiming us. I keep saying it, and people keep ignoring it. There is a difference between common sense and hysterical alarmism.
A quick glance on his corp ticker would have saved you a lot of reading, hysterical alarmism is Electus Mataris forte. |
Indira Harashani
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.08.23 21:56:00 -
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Laerise wrote:A quick glance on his corp ticker would have saved you a lot of reading, hysterical alarmism is Electus Mataris forte. And it would have saved you, Captain, the embarrassment of making public knowledge of the fact that, given that Verin Hakatain's current employer has not been a part of Electus Matari since YC113, not only are your records more than two years out of date, but you also cannot be bothered to follow your own advice.
If you are going to make snipes that are less thinly-veiled than a pane of glass, child, you should endeavor to practice what you preach, lest you make a fool of yourself by claiming obvious falsehoods as you have done here. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2207
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Posted - 2013.08.23 22:35:00 -
[174] - Quote
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Whilst it's always a very real possibility the Amarr may wish to pursue their religious reclaiming against the Caldari State in the future they are not doing so right this moment.
Laerise wrote:It has never been "if", more a matter of "when".
I think my point has just been adequately made for me.
In the last ten years alone, no less than three asteroids and one comet of significant size have been diverted from eventual collision courses with inhabited worlds. If the philosophy of the agencies responsible for such interplanetary gardening had been "well, yes, it's going to hit eventually but it's not hitting right now." then all four would have made the news rather than being routine non-events.
It is strategically senseless to ignore a known threat, it is politically foolhardy to make friendly with a known threat and It is economically stupid to invest in a known threat.
Let's be clear on this: the Minmatar are just first on the list. We may be last on the list, but that's a bit like being the third man lined up for the block. You just get to hear the sound of axe hitting wood twice before it's your turn to feel it.
There's no hyperbole here, no hysterics, no alarmism, just a simple statement of fact - it is in the State's best interest that a Reclaiming never happen. If it does happen, it is in the State's best interest that it should fail, preferably calamitously and without breaking the Minmatar in the process.
Fortunately, I think the scenario is unlikely. As has been said, the Amarr have historically preferred to Reclaim technologically and militarily inferior populations. They're not, after all, stupid, and I think they know full well that if they DID manage to conquer the Minmatar, the Republic's death throes would do more harm to them than all those new slaves could repair in a hundred generations.
Not that I endorse bloodshed on that kind of scale, but if you're going down, go down biting and eye-gouging. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3274
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Posted - 2013.08.23 22:36:00 -
[175] - Quote
Laerise wrote:A quick glance on his corp ticker would have saved you a lot of reading, hysterical alarmism is Electus Mataris forte. While unashamed ignorance has always been the proprietary domain of PIE Inc. Mane 614
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1504
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Posted - 2013.08.23 22:39:00 -
[176] - Quote
It's in the Empire's best interests that its expeditionary fleet not be scattered in a trail of burning wrecks from Citadel to Forge. Don't expect your paladins to fare any better than the Missionaries - but at least the Missionaries get a fair hearing. |
TomHorn
Caldari Waffen Legion
107
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Posted - 2013.08.23 23:06:00 -
[177] - Quote
Quote:If the reclaiming is so wonderful,pilot, why not just submit yourself and your kin to the imperials right now? There's nothing stopping you from doing so.
Secondly, do you truly believe that the Amarr would simply stop with the Minmatar?
Before you start with the whole argument about the Amarr not attacking the State because you're currently trading partners and allied in the CONCORD sanctioned phony wars, I'd remind you of your own words; "Reclaiming is part of the Amarr religion, part of their culture." This is quite true. So, what do you think is more important to them? Your treaties or their scriptures and several millennia of tradition?
It would be most ironic if what you propose came to pass; that at some point in the distant future vast armies of Matari slave/soldiers are used by the imperials to overrun the State and show you firsthand the benefits of reclamation.
Caldari and the Amarr we are friends allies. Hopefully long into the future. We have fought and shed blood together on the battlefield against our mutual enemies. Some Caldari have taken up the Amarr religion, and if the Empress announces call to start reclaiming, im sure some will take up the call to do so with the Amarr.
I for one am happy to support those in the Empire who wish to start the reclaiming against our mutual enemies. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
614
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Posted - 2013.08.23 23:14:00 -
[178] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:
I think my point has just been adequately made for me.
In the last ten years alone, no less than three asteroids and one comet of significant size have been diverted from eventual collision courses with inhabited worlds. If the philosophy of the agencies responsible for such interplanetary gardening had been "well, yes, it's going to hit eventually but it's not hitting right now." then all four would have made the news rather than being routine non-events.
It is strategically senseless to ignore a known threat, it is politically foolhardy to make friendly with a known threat and It is economically stupid to invest in a known threat.
Let's be clear on this: the Minmatar are just first on the list. We may be last on the list, but that's a bit like being the third man lined up for the block. You just get to hear the sound of axe hitting wood twice before it's your turn to feel it.
There's no hyperbole here, no hysterics, no alarmism, just a simple statement of fact - it is in the State's best interest that a Reclaiming never happen. If it does happen, it is in the State's best interest that it should fail, preferably calamitously and without breaking the Minmatar in the process.
Fortunately, I think the scenario is unlikely. As has been said, the Amarr have historically preferred to Reclaim technologically and militarily inferior populations. They're not, after all, stupid, and I think they know full well that if they DID manage to conquer the Minmatar, the Republic's death throes would do more harm to them than all those new slaves could repair in a hundred generations.
Not that I endorse bloodshed on that kind of scale, but if you're going down, go down biting and eye-gouging.
You appear to have my missed my point that while it's well known that the Amarr religion will always endorse the reclaiming (Indeed, an Empire is always predicated on the need for military conquest irrespective of the pious platitudes used to justify it) I do not believe such a fact means we cannot pursue mutual advantage and business relationships with them until such time the balance of power and our own interests in the State require different options and contingency actions to be enacted.
Certainly, an Imperial Reclaiming against the Republic would upset the status quo and if it is launched then re-assessments will no doubt be made in the corporate boardrooms as to how such a military action may or may not affect the interests of the Caldari State. However such a decision will be reached I doubt it will be to give either the Empire or a Republic a free pass that does not benefit the State politically, economically or militarily.
In fact, I would say we in the State have little more to do than ensure that the Empire and Republic bleed each other out to the bone if they decide to enter into an escalation of war and simply permit them to destroy each other to our own advantage. Why pick either side when there exist ways to support both and thus strengthen our own position?
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Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
232
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Posted - 2013.08.24 00:24:00 -
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I saw nothing alarmist or overblown in anything that Captain Rella stated. It's a fact that the Amarr believe in their superiority and that they've been divinely chosen to forcefully convert all mankind to their religion and culture. They've never made any secret of this nor apologized for it. It's part and parcel of their entire existence. How you can say that tby reiterating the Empire's stated goal is hyping, fearmongering or somehow sensationalizing? It's simply fact. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2209
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Posted - 2013.08.24 00:55:00 -
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Gesakaarin-haani, are you proposing a superhuman balancing act where we play two intractable adversaries off against one another and fleece both sides for every ISK they can spare and then some?
Maybe if we were The Broker, sure. But given that he's the kind of fairy story that parents tell their kids if they want them to grow up to become daytraders, let's assume that our capacity to play the field is only human. What then?
We can either make a lot of money off the Amarr... until they decide to roll over us, enslave us and plunder it all back. Or we can make a little money off the Minmatar in a relationship that strengthens us both in the long term and which neither will feel much inclined to break.
That old glibness "the brightest flame burns quickest" springs to mind. a long-term contract for small returns per month with minimal or no risk is vastly better than a Faustian contract for short-term gains at huge expense in the end.
The State's best interests are not and never have been served with the Empire. At most we would want, a short-term exploitation until a more workable long-term solution could be found.
Maybe we're still in the short-term solution right now, but we need to get out of it at some point if only because eventually the demon is going to come to collect, and I very much doubt we could best it by ourselves. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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