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Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
806
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:07:00 -
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Actually, would just prefer NO LOCAL whatsoever.
Passive Local (WH's) works fine but is rarely used.
Active Local (everywhere else) is about 99% dead anyway, aside from the odd spammer or cry for help.
The other 1% is Jita, what can you say about JITA and other hubs? Meaningless drek from the plebs, ELIMINATED.
Sure, people love to chat. That's why we have the ability to create channels, and people do it every day.
Sure, people want to look for targets. That's why we have probes and DirScan. Scary, but true, and people use them every day.
And that doesn't even touch on the utils like TS and Vent.
Let the lava flow commence...
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
371
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:25:00 -
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Removal of local is just a veiled attempt at nerfing afk cloaking, don't fall for it.... |
Aliventi
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
361
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:26:00 -
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Remove local. It is time for effortless perfect intel to die. If you want that level of intel you must work for it. If you catch me jumping through a gate by actually seeing me from your cloaked ship off gate that is fine. Knowing I am there when your alt is perfectly safe inside a station and looking at local is not.
The prey have used the effortless perfect intel provided by local to make nullsec safer than highsec. That violates the "Risk vs. Reward" aspect of nullsec. Literally the only reason to die in nullsec ratting/mining/carebearing is you blatantly ignored your effortless perfect intel source. It is time to remove this advantage from the prey and allow the hunter to instill the fear that has been absent from nullsec back in the prey. If the prey still wishes to pillage the riches of nullsec then they must face the risk involved. Remove local and the risk come back. If you wish to be safer then put the effort in to collecting the necessary intel to be safer. A simple set of eyes cloaked off a gate should be sufficient.
Do not be naive and think local only provides and advantage to the prey. The advantage local provides to the prey is far greater than the advantage provided to the hunter. However, the hunter still benefits from local. How would they know there is prey to kill if not for local? If you remove local then the hunter must adapt also. No longer can they roam through systems instantly knowing it is empty or not. They must put in effort and skill to find prey if it is there at all. This may even make the prey safer as they can use skill instead of an effortless perfect intel source to evade a skilled hunter.
Local is for chat, not intel. Remove the perfect effortless intel aspect from local to restore it to its intended role: chat. This will restore the risk to nulslec and the balance back to the hunter and the prey. "tbh most people don't care about removing local from highsec. They want it gone from nullsec. I want to be able to solo roam hunt without everyone knowing I am there without them actually seeing me jump through the gate. Effortless intel is bad." ~Me |
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
106
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:28:00 -
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You do understand the gate camper was being sarcastic?
Also, screenshotting your channel name with the n-word is a good way to get banned. Icelanders tend to be finicky about all that human decency bull ****. |
Leafar Nightfall
Grease Monkeys
66
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:35:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote: I had to be one month into the game until I realized that this channel shows everybody who is in the system, its totally unimportant for new players
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Harry Forever wrote: new players can also use the map to see if pilots are in the system, thats much better vs. the local chat that just shows the experienced players that a newb is in the system
Oh yeah because it is so much more accessible and easy to use to noobs... |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2081
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:39:00 -
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but harry you said people grouping up to defend their space in 0.0 and gatecamping was a myth -- now we do it and it's too easy?
you really do flip flop all over the place dont you "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
103
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:47:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Also, screenshotting your channel name with the n-word is a good way to get banned.
That's so offensive.
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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
106
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:56:00 -
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Goddess Ishtar wrote:S Byerley wrote:Also, screenshotting your channel name with the n-word is a good way to get banned. That's so offensive.
I don't think you understand what's going on here.
Also, YOU CAN'T MAKE ME FLY A DRONE BOAT |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
527
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:05:00 -
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We've had these posts a million times, if you remove local ppl will demand some new type of scanner because dscan is the most childish, 1970s technology system ever invented for a video game (clicking it every 2 seconds for hours and hours, you call that fun???)
And so if local removed we get this awesome new scanning system by popular demand, and it'll just turn out to be LOCAL under a DIFFERENT NAME, and what a waste of Dev time that will be Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Aliventi
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
361
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:35:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:We've had these posts a million times, if you remove local ppl will demand some new type of scanner because dscan is the most childish, 1970s technology system ever invented for a video game (clicking it every 2 seconds for hours and hours, you call that fun???) And so if local removed we get this awesome new scanning system by popular demand, and it'll just turn out to be LOCAL under a DIFFERENT NAME, and what a waste of Dev time that will be Flip the flag on the discovery scanner to show ship in addition to anioms. Problem solved. You don't know if it is friendly or enemy. You only know it is there. "tbh most people don't care about removing local from highsec. They want it gone from nullsec. I want to be able to solo roam hunt without everyone knowing I am there without them actually seeing me jump through the gate. Effortless intel is bad." ~Me |
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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
106
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:08:00 -
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Aliventi wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:We've had these posts a million times, if you remove local ppl will demand some new type of scanner because dscan is the most childish, 1970s technology system ever invented for a video game (clicking it every 2 seconds for hours and hours, you call that fun???) And so if local removed we get this awesome new scanning system by popular demand, and it'll just turn out to be LOCAL under a DIFFERENT NAME, and what a waste of Dev time that will be Flip the flag on the discovery scanner to show ship in addition to anioms. Problem solved. You don't know if it is friendly or enemy. You only know it is there.
Not keen on still having to spam alt-d opposed to a button (easier to put on a programmable keyboard I guess). |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
105
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:19:00 -
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I don't know enough to really say, but I kind of need local, to know when criminally flagged players enter the system I'm mining in, so that I can Get The Fu*k Out. Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
116
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:20:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote:I don't know enough to really say, but I kind of need local, to know when criminally flagged players enter the system I'm mining in, so that I can Get The Fu*k Out. Dscan is your friend, get used to using it and mine fearlessly even in low-sec (yes, even in low-sec) C'mon CCP, let us suicide gank the high-sec pub matches in Dust..... |
Seraph Essael
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:25:00 -
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They use local as an intel channel etc etc etc... What exactly is stopping you from doing the same...?
The majority of the people crying "remove local from null" would be the exact same people spamming the forums with "not fair, I got killed in null because I didnt know they where in system".
They have intel channels that use local as a basis "x number of pilots, five neuts" or whatever. Set up your own intel channel, start your own corp/alliance that uses local.
Quit crying because you cannot use something they are using against you... Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
133
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:30:00 -
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Removing local won't remove the gate camp for starters and it seems that camp was missing a couple things. Bubbles and an instalock tackle. |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
331
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:33:00 -
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People are against the removal of local because then it would be hard. Noone in n¦¦u¦¦l¦¦l¦¦ EVE likes hard. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
148
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:53:00 -
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samualvimes wrote:Harry Forever wrote:we heared NO a couple of times, however no argumets for it... interesting without local you would die in a lot more gatecamps. Especially at those gates which did not have celestials within D-scan range. They are bad enough as it is. Imagine not even knowing that there could be a gatecamp!
wut? I don't even . . .
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1998
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Posted - 2013.08.13 01:27:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:we heared NO a couple of times, however no argumets for it... interesting
Stop being bad? |
Sylveria Relden
Spartan Shipyards THE H0NEYBADGER
1
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Posted - 2013.08.13 01:44:00 -
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Will never happen.
Realistically, when you enter any system in space, you would have no clue who or what is in the system with you- let alone their exact position(s) and that's what probing/scanning is all about.
Imagine how much more challenging it would be if you actually had to find signatures for everyone in a system to investigate them. Imagine people actually having to pay attention to d-scan to see if someone's popping probes to scan down targets. You wouldn't know if it's a PVP or PVE target until you warped in to investigate it.
My opinion- but I really do believe it would make the game much more exciting for everyone rather than catering to just the few lazy people who don't want to bother with scanning if they don't have to. It might actually bolster the role for people who actually do train scanning skills to scout out systems, etc. |
Iszi
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
26
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Posted - 2013.08.13 02:41:00 -
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What I would like to see is;
Give sov holding entities the ability to hide their presence in the systems they control.
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Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
116
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Posted - 2013.08.13 03:30:00 -
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Iszi wrote:What I would like to see is;
Give sov holding entities the ability to hide their presence (in local) in the systems they control. Like a "cyno jammer"(? maybe, not sure of the mechanics of this), except it would be jamming the scanning systems of pilots not in the corp/alliance.
Would be "afk cloakers" could afk all they want, and if they wanted to camp a system and attack miners or mission runners - they would do it at risk, not knowing who may or may not be camping them. This would only work or be acceptable (at least IMHO) if Local were made a Strategic Upgrade in the first place. C'mon CCP, let us suicide gank the high-sec pub matches in Dust..... |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4202
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:04:00 -
[52] - Quote
A thread about local... interesting. . |
Ustrello
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:14:00 -
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If harry were to join pizza. How long until he was trolled out of the alliance/game? |
Nmad Harmzuay
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:26:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:yea old story, just another big alliances advantage they all have their intel channels, spam their system with alts and see who is going back and forth this awaited me after jumping into JU system just hours ago https://twitter.com/geistreiches/status/366231500926091265/photo/1they have seen me coming 5 jumps ahead and were able to prepare, they did mention it to me in chat as an expert in passing gatecamps i was able to get through, however newbs would have been an easy target if you want to have more people roaming around in null this local "intel" channel needs to be removed if I dont talk in local, i should not show up, its that simple, people still have dscan to see things everybody against this please start crying below Gåô
Or you could you know, learn to play? If hostiles in local, don't go directly gate to gate. Check galaxy map for recent kills/pod kills, check active pilots in system. It's not hard to avoid getting killed.
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
655
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:09:00 -
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Nmad Harmzuay wrote:Harry Forever wrote:yea old story, just another big alliances advantage they all have their intel channels, spam their system with alts and see who is going back and forth this awaited me after jumping into JU system just hours ago https://twitter.com/geistreiches/status/366231500926091265/photo/1they have seen me coming 5 jumps ahead and were able to prepare, they did mention it to me in chat as an expert in passing gatecamps i was able to get through, however newbs would have been an easy target if you want to have more people roaming around in null this local "intel" channel needs to be removed if I dont talk in local, i should not show up, its that simple, people still have dscan to see things everybody against this please start crying below Gåô Or you could you know, learn to play? If hostiles in local, don't go directly gate to gate. Check galaxy map for recent kills/pod kills, check active pilots in system. It's not hard to avoid getting killed.
blocked, it seems you did not even read the thread Goons Doomsday Forever! |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
655
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:12:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:They use local as an intel channel etc etc etc... What exactly is stopping you from doing the same...?
The majority of the people crying "remove local from null" would be the exact same people spamming the forums with "not fair, I got killed in null because I didnt know they where in system".
They have intel channels that use local as a basis "x number of pilots, five neuts" or whatever. Set up your own intel channel, start your own corp/alliance that uses local.
Quit crying because you cannot use something they are using against you...
the alliances have way bigger advantages because they see you 5 jumps ahead, just read the thread, I explained it in there
for a newb its useless because you can not see who is in the system ahead, but alliances can, they use local to spread the info on their internal intel channels Goons Doomsday Forever! |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
655
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:16:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Removing local won't remove the gate camp for starters and it seems that camp was missing a couple things. Bubbles and an instalock tackle.
this thread is not about removing gatecamps
blocked because of not reading the thread properly Goons Doomsday Forever! |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
655
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:17:00 -
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jujumagumboo wrote:Harry Forever wrote:yea old story, just another big alliances advantage they all have their intel channels, spam their system with alts and see who is going back and forth this awaited me after jumping into JU system just hours ago https://twitter.com/geistreiches/status/366231500926091265/photo/1they have seen me coming 5 jumps ahead and were able to prepare, they did mention it to me in chat as an expert in passing gatecamps i was able to get through, however newbs would have been an easy target if you want to have more people roaming around in null this local "intel" channel needs to be removed if I dont talk in local, i should not show up, its that simple, people still have dscan to see things everybody against this please start crying below Gåô Stay out of space that doesn't belong to you. Problem solved.
b. Goons Doomsday Forever! |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
153
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:19:00 -
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In all seriousness, if there was no local. How would I know if I was in the same system as Chribba? |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1161
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:21:00 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:In all seriousness, if there was no local. How would I know if I was in the same system as Chribba?
I was wondering the same thing but you posted 1st See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
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