Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
955
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 18:05:00 -
[31] - Quote
Magnus Orly wrote:Concord is absolutely useless there and it is misleading to new players like myself...
Yeah they should also change everything lower than -3 to null space, low sec is a wasteland anyway no one would ever notice while what op is asking, yes.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band
725
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 18:27:00 -
[32] - Quote
Hessian Arcturus wrote:Here's a thought...FIT...A...TANK!!! You carebears never learn from your mistakes do you? I bet you've bought a new ship, a new mining ship and are mining away. And I bet you still haven't fit a tank...
EDIT: And don't say "I had a tank". Because I've seen the retriever and pod kill...
1 mid doesn't offer much in the way of tanking options
if you put 1 med extender & 2 screen reinforcers in the rig slots, the tank is still pathetic (and only really any good against belt rats, and even then it's of dubious/negligable benefit)
if you put a DCU & 2 Bulkheads into the lows, you still have a pathetic tank
it doesn't have the capacitor for a shield booster it doesn't have the capacitor for an armour/hull repair module it doesn't have the cargo space for cap boosters to run an ancillary
it's a specialised ship hull it's specialised in a non combat orientated role
the mining laser upgrades are no different to heatsinks or gyrostabisers that are fitted to combat role ships lets be honest ... if you saw a combat based fit that had no weapon upgrades fitted, you would call it a 'fail fit' and laugh at the person flying it. |
Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
33
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 18:41:00 -
[33] - Quote
Kitty Bear wrote:Hessian Arcturus wrote:Here's a thought...FIT...A...TANK!!! You carebears never learn from your mistakes do you? I bet you've bought a new ship, a new mining ship and are mining away. And I bet you still haven't fit a tank...
EDIT: And don't say "I had a tank". Because I've seen the retriever and pod kill... 1 mid doesn't offer much in the way of tanking options if you put 1 med extender & 2 screen reinforcers in the rig slots, the tank is still pathetic (and only really any good against belt rats, and even then it's of dubious/negligable benefit) if you put a DCU & 2 Bulkheads into the lows, you still have a pathetic tank it doesn't have the capacitor for a shield booster it doesn't have the capacitor for an armour/hull repair module it doesn't have the cargo space for cap boosters to run an ancillary it's a specialised ship hull it's specialised in a non combat orientated role the mining laser upgrades are no different to heatsinks or gyrostabilisers that are fitted to combat role ships lets be honest ... if you saw a combat based fit that had no weapon upgrades fitted, you would call it a 'fail fit' and laugh at the person flying it.
Gotta disagree with you. I put a decent alt (not level 5's with imps) in a reti and asked one of the resident gankers to come by and blow it up in a .5 system. I was just curious if an MSEII and 3X extenders would survive in armor or structure. I did warn him I was testing tank, so he knew to bring the faction ammo and Meta4 guns.
While I was hoping to get through in structure, he died while I was still in shields. I didn't even have repair costs. Of course, two cats would have nuked me but there were plenty of untanked retrievers in the area and no reason to gank the guy who bothered to make it less convenient.
The retriever is SUPPOSED to be paper thin in the tradeoff with a large ore hold. That said, you can do plenty to make it more survivable. |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS strain SELKURK
22
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 18:47:00 -
[34] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote: When seconds count, Concord is only minutes away.
Awesome! lol
+1 |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4932
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 19:58:00 -
[35] - Quote
Stealth 'make areas between empire spaces lowsec' thread.
Also potential 'make it easier to gank freighters going between market hubs' thread.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
170
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 20:29:00 -
[36] - Quote
A low skilled newbie in a Retriever in Lowsec? That's asking to be blown up, with minimal skills the Retriever takes forever to align, is slow (even by barge standards), has no tank and doesn't have the power to jump all the way across a large system.
My advice; practice spamming the jump button once you hear the structure alarm and you might get away with your pod. |
Daisai
The Riot Formation Unclaimed.
114
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 20:37:00 -
[37] - Quote
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18615045 Found it ^^ |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
315
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 20:46:00 -
[38] - Quote
Wow, three destroyers + rats. Those 'Gankers' should feel bad for needing that many to gank a max yield retriever. |
Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
57
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 20:53:00 -
[39] - Quote
Magnus Orly wrote:Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
all the rig slots were empty :cripes:
Well, we are not all billionaires.... Doesn't take billions. Takes *thinking.*
I didn't gank you, but I can tell you if I'd been in local, I would've. Your fitting screams "Burn Me!" So start thinking. Start with a Procurer, and tank it like a be-yotch. Enjoy your relative freedom from ganks. You're still vulnerable, but there will most likely be tastier targets around. Open your eyes. Observe ganker behavior. Learn how to predict attacks. Learn how to not be there when the gank lands on-grid.
IOW: Think, Du. It's not so hard as it sounds. |
Obunagawe
174
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 21:30:00 -
[40] - Quote
Magnus Orly wrote:Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
all the rig slots were empty :cripes:
Well, we are not all billionaires....
Actually on the forums we kinda are. |
|
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
32
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 22:28:00 -
[41] - Quote
"They should change 0.5 to lowsec"
NO Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
348
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 23:22:00 -
[42] - Quote
Just like real life
Guy with a gun, cops take 20 mins to show up.
Naked super model running around drunk, 30 seconds and they all show up. |
WonkySplitDemon
Red Dawn Mercenaries
20
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 23:30:00 -
[43] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:Concord does NOT provide protection. They provide consequences. This. Just like the real police, their purpose is as a deterrent and as punishment, not as prevention.
This isn't strictly true, a large part of policing is focused on crime prevention. The police do not provide consequences, that is for the courts to decide.
Its far more cost efficient and better for society as a whole to prevent a crime before it has been committed than to punish the criminal after he has done his dirty deeds.
In this respect one shouldn't think of CONCORD as the police at all, because they behave nothing like the real police. CONCORD are more of a militia group.
Regardless, the OP lost a barge to gankers and is all pissy about it. Protip: Fit a tank, although this wont stop you being ganked (its entirely possible to gank a well tanked mack in 0.5 for example) It will lower the risk significantly especially if the system is full of other miners without one.
|
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9852
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 23:36:00 -
[44] - Quote
WonkySplitDemon wrote: Regardless, the OP lost a barge to gankers and is all pissy about it. Protip: Fit a tank, although this wont stop you being ganked (its entirely possible to gank a well tanked mack in 0.5 for example) It will lower the risk significantly especially if the system is full of other miners without one.
Good advice. If you make yourself hard to gank, you'll probably be passed over for those that haven't bothered. Unless of course you've made yourself a target by doing something daft.
Why shouldn't we be able to rob people of their valuables for profit? |
Carribean Queen
Vadimus Quarrier Works The Big Dirty
20
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 23:41:00 -
[45] - Quote
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18596330
you can tank a Mackinaw, and it will still die in a fire. your best bet is going to be a procurer and tank the crap out of it. you can easily get one up over 50k EHP. Procurer/Skiff isn't anywhere near as squishy as the Mack/Ret/Hulk/Cov. So either find someplace safer to mine, or get a ship that has a real tank on it.
...End of line... |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
258
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 23:42:00 -
[46] - Quote
Manfred Hideous wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:Hessian Arcturus wrote:Here's a thought...FIT...A...TANK!!! You carebears never learn from your mistakes do you? I bet you've bought a new ship, a new mining ship and are mining away. And I bet you still haven't fit a tank...
EDIT: And don't say "I had a tank". Because I've seen the retriever and pod kill... 1 mid doesn't offer much in the way of tanking options if you put 1 med extender & 2 screen reinforcers in the rig slots, the tank is still pathetic (and only really any good against belt rats, and even then it's of dubious/negligable benefit) if you put a DCU & 2 Bulkheads into the lows, you still have a pathetic tank it doesn't have the capacitor for a shield booster it doesn't have the capacitor for an armour/hull repair module it doesn't have the cargo space for cap boosters to run an ancillary it's a specialised ship hull it's specialised in a non combat orientated role the mining laser upgrades are no different to heatsinks or gyrostabilisers that are fitted to combat role ships lets be honest ... if you saw a combat based fit that had no weapon upgrades fitted, you would call it a 'fail fit' and laugh at the person flying it. Gotta disagree with you. I put a decent alt (not level 5's with imps) in a reti and asked one of the resident gankers to come by and blow it up in a .5 system. I was just curious if an MSEII and 3X extenders would survive in armor or structure. I did warn him I was testing tank, so he knew to bring the faction ammo and Meta4 guns. While I was hoping to get through in structure, he died while I was still in shields. I didn't even have repair costs. Of course, two cats would have nuked me but there were plenty of untanked retrievers in the area and no reason to gank the guy who bothered to make it less convenient. The retriever is SUPPOSED to be paper thin in the tradeoff with a large ore hold. That said, you can do plenty to make it more survivable.
I also disagree with you Kitty... Manfred is right but also not to mention, rig slots can help boost a tank which was empty. Plus implants you get implants that can also help boost a tank... It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
33
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 23:45:00 -
[47] - Quote
Carribean Queen wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18596330
you can tank a Mackinaw, and it will still die in a fire. your best bet is going to be a procurer and tank the crap out of it. you can easily get one up over 50k EHP. Procurer/Skiff isn't anywhere near as squishy as the Mack/Ret/Hulk/Cov. So either find someplace safer to mine, or get a ship that has a real tank on it.
...End of line...
You seriously used *that* killmail to say tanking won't help? Did you even look at that fit? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9853
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 23:50:00 -
[48] - Quote
Carribean Queen wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18596330
you can tank a Mackinaw, and it will still die in a fire. your best bet is going to be a procurer and tank the crap out of it. you can easily get one up over 50k EHP. Procurer/Skiff isn't anywhere near as squishy as the Mack/Ret/Hulk/Cov. So either find someplace safer to mine, or get a ship that has a real tank on it.
...End of line... That's not a tank, it was a killmail waiting to happen.
Why shouldn't we be able to rob people of their valuables for profit? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15408
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 23:53:00 -
[49] - Quote
Carribean Queen wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18596330 Not so much a suicide gank as euthanasia. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Elliavir
Kid's Logistics Inc
39
|
Posted - 2013.07.08 23:57:00 -
[50] - Quote
I've been mining in a 0.5 system for a couple of years now... right next door to a high-traffic low-sec system full of folks who love to blow up miners.
I've lost zero mining ships to date.
Fly a Procurer. Tank it. Be the least attractive target in the belt. |
|
Carribean Queen
Vadimus Quarrier Works The Big Dirty
20
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 00:26:00 -
[51] - Quote
Manfred Hideous wrote:Carribean Queen wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18596330
you can tank a Mackinaw, and it will still die in a fire. your best bet is going to be a procurer and tank the crap out of it. you can easily get one up over 50k EHP. Procurer/Skiff isn't anywhere near as squishy as the Mack/Ret/Hulk/Cov. So either find someplace safer to mine, or get a ship that has a real tank on it.
...End of line... You seriously used *that* killmail to say tanking won't help? Did you even look at that fit? That ship was afire long before the gankers showed.
Compared to this - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17019363
that is what miners consider a 'tank'. The other Mack took 12k of damage, EHP as listed in the fitting window isn't accurate by any stretch. Actually reinforced bulkheads and a DCU2 would probably be the best tank for a mining barge. structure tank with 60% resists. The hull tanked one was burning down quite fast until we hit structure... it still died, but we had quite a few people too. The typical magic number is 7 to gank a 'tanked' Mackinaw. Hulk is 2. Retriever is 1 catalyst. |
Elizabeth Aideron
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
71
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 00:34:00 -
[52] - Quote
Carribean Queen wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18596330
you can tank a Mackinaw, and it will still die in a fire. your best bet is going to be a procurer and tank the crap out of it. you can easily get one up over 50k EHP. Procurer/Skiff isn't anywhere near as squishy as the Mack/Ret/Hulk/Cov. So either find someplace safer to mine, or get a ship that has a real tank on it.
...End of line...
all that and its ehp is still lower than an untanked skiff |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1987
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 00:39:00 -
[53] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:No, they won't work without the training, but they will not 'evaporate' or anything. Correction:
To install rigs requires appropriate skill.
To benefit from installed rigs doesn't require any skill. You get the full bonus without any skill. However, you suffer the full amount of any drawback if you don't have the skill.
Rigs that only require Rigging skill don't have any drawbacks. |
Daimon Kaiera
Kraken.
372
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 00:46:00 -
[54] - Quote
The system in which the OP was originally ganked made me curious and I decided to head out there. In the first belt to which I went, I noticed that Concord was already pre-spawned; being that this was a 0.5 system, the time I was given to gank would be the maximum possible. I barely got this kill. By barely, just as I got my last shot off I was blapped by Concord. I don't have the best skills for gunnery, and less so with the small hybrids, by I can be expected to get a maximum of ~6800 damage solo in a 0.5 system.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20063701 .... . .-.. .--. / .. / .... .- ...- . / ..-. .- .-.. .-.. . -. / .- -. -.. / .. / -.-. .- -. -. --- - / --. . - / ..- .--. / ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... / ... .. --. -. .- - ..- .-. . / .. -.. . .- / .. ... / -. --- - / ... - --- .-.. . -. / ... - --- .--. |
Trudeaux Margaret
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
14
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 01:54:00 -
[55] - Quote
Magnus Orly wrote:Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
all the rig slots were empty :cripes:
Well, we are not all billionaires....
Oh my god. Please.
Look, you fly a Retriever. Retrievers are gank magnets because a) they are very un-tanky and b) unfortunately, a lot of miners who fly them seem to be like you, and by that, I mean, "free kill". May I give you a bit of advice? In future, do not mine in 0.5 systems. At all. Ever. The same rocks spawn in 0.6 systems so you have absolutely no reason to go to any 0.5 system. Leave the 0.5 systems to miners who know what they're doing.
|
Short Stack122
Knights Of The Chloroform
5
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 02:21:00 -
[56] - Quote
We should just make ALL of eve nullsec |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
74
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 03:11:00 -
[57] - Quote
A Retriever, regardless of how you tank it, will die in a 0.5 system if someone wants it dead. A max tank Retriever can't beat a single T2 catalyst. It can't beat 2 meta cats. Its my opinion, shared by almost no one if the systems and belts are consulted, that a Retriever has no business outside of 0.8 - 1.0 systems.
OP would like to take any ship to .5 and have it survive a gank which is just silly. Thats why systems have different security levels in hisec: to tell you what the risks and rewards are likely to be. RISKS should be capitalized, so there, I just capitalized it.
If you want to mine in a 0.5 system, use a Procurer. Fit the lows with the mining laser upgades. Fit the mids with shield extenders and invluns. Put shield extender rigs in. Make sure you turn the invuln(s) on when you undock. Mine all you like with no fear of being ganked. If you're heart is set on a Retriever and its mighty ore bay, then max yield it and hope you can make more isk between ganks to make it worth it; no amount of 'tank' will save it. I have 5 different chars that I play. This may be my main, or maybe not. I have no idea. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
682
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 03:19:00 -
[58] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:Concord does NOT provide protection. They provide consequences. This. Just like the real police, their purpose is as a deterrent and as punishment, not as prevention. Err, what messed up country do you live in? I think you have been watching too much Judge Dredd.
US police provide enforcement of the law, not punishment. Judges and juries dole out punishment. And a deterrent is a form of prevention. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
|
Short Stack122
Knights Of The Chloroform
5
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 04:20:00 -
[59] - Quote
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:A Retriever, regardless of how you tank it, will die in a 0.5 system if someone wants it dead. A max tank Retriever can't beat a single T2 catalyst. It can't beat 2 meta cats. Its my opinion, shared by almost no one if the systems and belts are consulted, that a Retriever has no business outside of 0.8 - 1.0 systems.
OP would like to take any ship to .5 and have it survive a gank which is just silly. Thats why systems have different security levels in hisec: to tell you what the risks and rewards are likely to be. RISKS should be capitalized, so there, I just capitalized it.
If you want to mine in a 0.5 system, use a Procurer. Fit the lows with the mining laser upgades. Fit the mids with shield extenders and invluns. Put shield extender rigs in. Make sure you turn the invuln(s) on when you undock. Mine all you like with no fear of being ganked. If you're heart is set on a Retriever and its mighty ore bay, then max yield it and hope you can make more isk between ganks to make it worth it; no amount of 'tank' will save it. i havent been ganked all month...
confirming that .5 systems dont = 100% gank rate daily.... |
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
6096
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 04:32:00 -
[60] - Quote
Magnus Orly wrote:Concord is absolutely useless there and it is misleading to new players like myself...
My goodness, just WHAT did that Concord officer tell you when you joined EvE that he didn't tell me? Seems he must have mislead you when he said they were there just for you in high sec and that they would park their ships right next to yours to make sure it did not get hurt.
This can happen in 1.0 space also - just to let you know. The best thing you can do for yourself right now is to learn that EvE is a harsh environment no matter what sec status you live in. IMO this is a PVP game first and foremost. PVP will come to you whether you want it to or not in many instances. It's a good thing to think of when you undock, and learn how to protect yourself.
Learning about this game can be hard, but there are lots of places to get advice and help from.
I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken? |
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |