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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
387
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Posted - 2012.04.11 14:29:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong
OMG. Then you had better ask CCP to eliminate all non-consenual PVP whilst your at it.
a.) I didnt make the "dont force me to play YOUR way" argument (which still is wrong)
b.) a lot of the uproar about this BS was i the beginning BECAUSE they were forcing it on us without the option to turn it off.
c.) nonconsentual PVP and gatecamps are SLIGHTLY different from ZERO GAMEPLAY walking is stations crap (Unless they start making it so we can murder ppl in stations that is). An Im truly sorry if you cant see that difference. I see WiS as nothing more than a graphics option. And theres precedence for THOSE to be turned off. ALSO, there IS a button in the UI TO turn off WiS AS IS. All IM saying is keep it there.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
557
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:02:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
the wis and wod connection are one of the repeating trolls here ,like all the other ones
I asked how old cause I hadnt seen it since coming back to the game (pretty much since the argument started lol) but just cause you dont agree with them doesnt make them a troll The WiS and WoD connection was there pretty much because when one got shut down the other did too and it really didnt take a rocket scientist to see THAT connection lol White Wolf got most of its studio (at the time) chopped, they "put on the back burner" WoD and WiS. It looked bacak then like there was a connection given thats what we were being told.
Maybe a downsized team ,but a 60 men team on a program isn,t really putting it on the backburner.
And sorry if i made a mistake ,if you did not troll or trying to. But the fact that wis is a beta for wod is used a troll before ,i don,t go searching for it (too lazy) but they were made.
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3727
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:47:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Selinate wrote:Bottom Line: with the introduction of avatars into this game, an entire range of absolutely awesome possibilities of game play were introduced also. A type of multidimensional game play can take form in this game now to a degree that was never possible before, no matter what way you look at it. Just look at fanfest and their idea with having avatars explore sleeper ruins. That, in itself, is an awesome concept of game play while using avatars. I would even be absolutely ecstatic if they let my avatar have a gun and battle armor so that I can fight in stations and in ruins also. This would make the game complete for me, and I would never take a hiatus from eve again if it were introduced (I know Dust might take over this instead, but that's just my opinion anyway).
This is not to mention that the introduction of avatars makes the game just that much more immerse for such a large portion of the player base. Here's the thing that I don't understand, though. This is a sandbox. It is advertised as a sandbox. The entire point of this game is that it is a huge sandbox. Then why are you people trying to make me play the game your way? If I choose WiS over FiS, then that is my decision so that I can have fun in the sandbox. Quite honestly, if you disagree with that, you can shove it. again... so long as I can shut it off cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong
There are people on the other side of the fence with the same issue as you do.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
387
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:11:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Selinate wrote:Bottom Line: with the introduction of avatars into this game, an entire range of absolutely awesome possibilities of game play were introduced also. A type of multidimensional game play can take form in this game now to a degree that was never possible before, no matter what way you look at it. Just look at fanfest and their idea with having avatars explore sleeper ruins. That, in itself, is an awesome concept of game play while using avatars. I would even be absolutely ecstatic if they let my avatar have a gun and battle armor so that I can fight in stations and in ruins also. This would make the game complete for me, and I would never take a hiatus from eve again if it were introduced (I know Dust might take over this instead, but that's just my opinion anyway).
This is not to mention that the introduction of avatars makes the game just that much more immerse for such a large portion of the player base. Here's the thing that I don't understand, though. This is a sandbox. It is advertised as a sandbox. The entire point of this game is that it is a huge sandbox. Then why are you people trying to make me play the game your way? If I choose WiS over FiS, then that is my decision so that I can have fun in the sandbox. Quite honestly, if you disagree with that, you can shove it. again... so long as I can shut it off cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong There are people on the other side of the fence with the same issue as you do.
so I dont understand why they object so much to keeping the button where I can turn if off (thats already IN the UI mind you).
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: Maybe a downsized team ,but a 60 men team on a program isn,t really putting it on the backburner.
And sorry if i made a mistake ,if you did not troll or trying to. But the fact that wis is a beta for wod is used a troll before ,i don,t go searching for it (too lazy) but they were made.
Sorry, I could be wrong, I remember CCP being the ones telling US they were "putting it on the back burner" - again, not something those of us to whom Wis isnt important made up on our own. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
214
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:45:00 -
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I think there are no WiS fans that object to your button. It is there, it will stay. Why shouldn't it? You don't want to be on the station as an avatar, stay in the dock view. It is fine.
If game content is added to WiS and you want to play it, sometimes you will have to click that button again. If said game content does not interest you, ignore it. I think there are a lot of opportunities in station based content, though I agree the main focus should be on space content.
I would still prefer a fully-fledged Space Simulation to what EVE is today. Which sometimes I feel is less than it was at Apocrypha stage and before, as the whole focus seems to be on PVP. A more intelligent & constructive EVE (again) might not hurt. And I do not limit that view to adding WiS content, there are a lot of non-PVP areas that could use some love.
And I agree, it was CCP in one of Hilmar's interviews and some Dev Blog quoting him a few months ago that said WiS is on the backburner, which at the time - and for me even today - feels like: "You'll be stuck in the hamster cage for a looong time.. No Soon TM at all..."
I'm too lazy to find the links now though. |
Soulpirate
Bedrock Industrial
131
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:55:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:I make a most ominous prophecy, wis or ambulation, or whatever you want to call it, is nothing but a vehicle for MT and aurem sales. hillmar is getting korean whispers from his partners at nexon.
You want clothes, tattoos? buy aurem. Gambling? no you can't wager isk only aurem chips. Establishments? a space bar/club will require a starbase charter priced at x aurems. Corp rooms war rooms? same, per month aurem payments. and you can figure the rest
You want it, you pay for it, personally, avatar chatting isn't important for me, I won't pay, and there better be an esc checkbox to turn all that OFF. What's wrong with Aurum? If anything they should expand Aurum and do away with PLEX. Aurum has way more flexibilty in application.
Aurum and PLEX are the same thing, some people just can't accept it because they can't handle change(see what I did there?). |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
387
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:18:00 -
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Soulpirate wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:I make a most ominous prophecy, wis or ambulation, or whatever you want to call it, is nothing but a vehicle for MT and aurem sales. hillmar is getting korean whispers from his partners at nexon.
You want clothes, tattoos? buy aurem. Gambling? no you can't wager isk only aurem chips. Establishments? a space bar/club will require a starbase charter priced at x aurems. Corp rooms war rooms? same, per month aurem payments. and you can figure the rest
You want it, you pay for it, personally, avatar chatting isn't important for me, I won't pay, and there better be an esc checkbox to turn all that OFF. What's wrong with Aurum? If anything they should expand Aurum and do away with PLEX. Aurum has way more flexibilty in application. Aurum and PLEX are the same thing, some people just can't accept it because they can't handle change(see what I did there?).
See STO... it wasnt long till the devs were telling ppl on the forums that if it wasnt for the store where they sell them, theyd have no interest in even making the stuff in there (which ended up being all the new additions to the game). And that was before the game went free. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Stellar Vix
State War Academy Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:35:00 -
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You should go see Guild Wars 2 micro transaction system and who they decided they should copy.
-Vix SWA Instructor, Commander Select Currently being blamed as SWA's CEO SWA PVP Program |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.04.12 02:29:00 -
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Soulpirate wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:I make a most ominous prophecy, wis or ambulation, or whatever you want to call it, is nothing but a vehicle for MT and aurem sales. hillmar is getting korean whispers from his partners at nexon.
You want clothes, tattoos? buy aurem. Gambling? no you can't wager isk only aurem chips. Establishments? a space bar/club will require a starbase charter priced at x aurems. Corp rooms war rooms? same, per month aurem payments. and you can figure the rest
You want it, you pay for it, personally, avatar chatting isn't important for me, I won't pay, and there better be an esc checkbox to turn all that OFF. What's wrong with Aurum? If anything they should expand Aurum and do away with PLEX. Aurum has way more flexibilty in application. Aurum and PLEX are the same thing, some people just can't accept it because they can't handle change(see what I did there?).
There is nothing wrong with aurem, except the scrubs who whine about how expensive it is.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
391
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Posted - 2012.04.12 02:34:00 -
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Stellar Vix wrote:You should go see Guild Wars 2 micro transaction system and who they decided they should copy.
-Vix
Id rather just ask. The game really hasnt grabbed my attention.
ANOTHER fantasy mmo is not what Im looking for right now https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
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Soulpirate
Bedrock Industrial
131
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Posted - 2012.04.12 17:06:00 -
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What they need to do is sell PLEX of various sizes in the NeX store. 7 day, 14 day, 30 day etc. Also they should allow players to break up their Aurum into tokens of various sizes to sell any unwanted Aurum. They would have to stop selling GTC and sell large Aurum tokens in their place.
At the moment, if you want to buy anything from the NeX store, buying tokens is much cheaper and makes more sense than converting PLEX as you are less likley to end up with extra.
I think Aurum tokens are the new PLEX.
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Avila Cracko
312
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Posted - 2012.04.12 21:10:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Flamespar wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong
OMG. Then you had better ask CCP to eliminate all non-consenual PVP whilst your at it. a.) I didnt make the "dont force me to play YOUR way" argument (which still is wrong) b.) a lot of the uproar about this BS was i the beginning BECAUSE they were forcing it on us without the option to turn it off. c.) nonconsentual PVP and gatecamps are SLIGHTLY different from ZERO GAMEPLAY walking is stations crap (Unless they start making it so we can murder ppl in stations that is). An Im truly sorry if you cant see that difference. I see WiS as nothing more than a graphics option. And theres precedence for THOSE to be turned off. ALSO, there IS a button in the UI TO turn off WiS AS IS. All IM saying is keep it there.
Gate camps are not gameplay for me. Nor are suicide ganks.
so "YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong" truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
464
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Posted - 2012.04.12 21:29:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Flamespar wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong
OMG. Then you had better ask CCP to eliminate all non-consenual PVP whilst your at it. a.) I didnt make the "dont force me to play YOUR way" argument (which still is wrong) b.) a lot of the uproar about this BS was i the beginning BECAUSE they were forcing it on us without the option to turn it off. c.) nonconsentual PVP and gatecamps are SLIGHTLY different from ZERO GAMEPLAY walking is stations crap (Unless they start making it so we can murder ppl in stations that is). An Im truly sorry if you cant see that difference. I see WiS as nothing more than a graphics option. And theres precedence for THOSE to be turned off. ALSO, there IS a button in the UI TO turn off WiS AS IS. All IM saying is keep it there. Gate camps are not gameplay for me. Nor are suicide ganks. so "YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong"
Well, that's how the game goes. They can spoil your fun, yet you can't spoil theirs. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Gevlin
Universal Might DSM FOUNDATION
131
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Posted - 2012.04.12 21:48:00 -
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Player created content
Mini Games looking at some of the "indy space games" see some good stuff.
Was wondering if it would be possible to import some games into the eve WIS environment. Giving players the opportunity to creat for the game.
Artwork Allow players to submit player created tattoos to be sold for Aurum - Player who created the tatoo gets like a 10% cut of the price.
Adventures: With the introduction of the Robot avatars I would like to see a system though markers, ie Corpses, Book Marks. for players to build missions including - Patrols, Scouting, Or pointing to a constilation, pointing to a 8/10 complex that has to be hunt down. Do these mission need to provide LP or Isk rewards beyond the NPC's they shoot - No really unless the creator of the mission want to donate these resources. I am assume Goons would put out a bounty - Provide me with a kill mail of a hulk you destroyed in Gellente space and I will reward you with 50mill.. This content would not only allow player creativity but also help fill the void of Theme Park content that some players crave -
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Yoma Karima
Kuloldas
28
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Posted - 2012.04.13 00:01:00 -
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Asteroids. you remember the old asteroid game where you flew a ship around a 2d field and shoot asteroids breaking them into smaller and smaller peaces. WiS could have retro space game arcades. Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
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Avila Cracko
312
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Posted - 2012.04.13 00:08:00 -
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Yoma Karima wrote:Asteroids. you remember the old asteroid game where you flew a ship around a 2d field and shoot asteroids breaking them into smaller and smaller peaces. WiS could have retro space game arcades.
Off topic: I would LOVE to see mining in EVE to be like that... You shoot roid, it brakes in smaller roids and then by only by color of that parts of that parts, in space, you see which parts to mine/scoop and which not. truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1510
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Posted - 2012.04.13 00:43:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:Yoma Karima wrote:Asteroids. you remember the old asteroid game where you flew a ship around a 2d field and shoot asteroids breaking them into smaller and smaller peaces. WiS could have retro space game arcades. Off topic: I would LOVE to see mining in EVE to be like that... You shoot roid, it brakes in smaller roids and then by only by color of that parts of that parts, in space, you see which parts to mine/scoop and which not. Having asteroids break up on contact is something CCP is looking to implement, probably in 2013.
http://youtu.be/8k7oaz8mWug
Check out the face on the asteroid at 4:10 to 4:40, lol. |
MR DEMOS
Death Knight Legion Whiskey Creek Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.04.13 01:19:00 -
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been at this game for over 6 years now.. I recently went to STO for a bit of a break Since it's good to get away. I'll admit that Some of the stuff in STO is pretty cool the mechanics of the PVE missions making you actually think and doing some basic problem solving i found that pretty interesting. As for the rest of it it's Grind grind grind ... that i don't like. WIS has been talked about for years.. I honestly think CCP needs to get the Space part waorked out first and do some really cool things with the game Mechanics before that can be transfered to WIS. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
398
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Posted - 2012.04.13 01:24:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Flamespar wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: cause if you cant then YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong
OMG. Then you had better ask CCP to eliminate all non-consenual PVP whilst your at it. a.) I didnt make the "dont force me to play YOUR way" argument (which still is wrong) b.) a lot of the uproar about this BS was i the beginning BECAUSE they were forcing it on us without the option to turn it off. c.) nonconsentual PVP and gatecamps are SLIGHTLY different from ZERO GAMEPLAY walking is stations crap (Unless they start making it so we can murder ppl in stations that is). An Im truly sorry if you cant see that difference. I see WiS as nothing more than a graphics option. And theres precedence for THOSE to be turned off. ALSO, there IS a button in the UI TO turn off WiS AS IS. All IM saying is keep it there. Gate camps are not gameplay for me. Nor are suicide ganks. so "YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong"
but its a sandbox so whats gameplay to YOU doesnt matter. Its whats gameplay to EVERYONE
or something https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.04.13 01:54:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:
Gate camps are not gameplay for me. Nor are suicide ganks.
so "YOURE making ME play the way YOU want to which by your own argument is wrong"
Are you saying that loading CQ, wis environments should be mandatory on all clients? |
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Citizen Jared
Amphysvena
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 02:25:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Sadly, this is exactly why a lot of game developers don't promise to implement whatever the players demand.
For the record, Incarna/WiS was lusted after for years, it was very popular and used to be know as Ambulation back when everyone wanted it.
Even more hilarious is that hundreds of players unsubbed over that time because CCP hadn't delivered Ambulation yet, and they were all waiting.
Than, CCP finally gets to it, calls it Incarna, and every cries foul and wants their spaceships back.
CCP promises to give spaceships more attention, and people start unsubbing again because they've stopped work on Incarna.
Its almost comical, but the lesson to be learned is that player demand/feedback is only worth so much. Apparently, the player base has no patience when it comes to having a company develop custom technologies to suit their every whim.
No matter what CCP does, they are "screwing over" someone. No matter what they announce, people will unsub over it. /thread
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T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.13 02:58:00 -
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I motion that WIS in it's current form be removed and replaced with "Dust 514 PC version". |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.04.13 02:58:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Well, that's how the game goes. They can spoil your fun, yet you can't spoil theirs.
Do you have any illuminating ideas on new mechanics that allow a non-multiboxing solo player to effectively counter a small gang or blob? |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3755
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Posted - 2012.04.13 03:07:00 -
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You do realize that having ps3 exclusive allowed CCP to bend over Sony instead of the other way around. This move may also bend over Microsoft begging to have dust 514 and having that done would allow steam to be on xbox 360 as well.
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RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.04.13 04:11:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:You do realize that having ps3 exclusive allowed CCP to bend over Sony instead of the other way around. This move may also bend over Microsoft begging to have dust 514 and having that done would allow steam to be on xbox 360 as well. sorry, can you eloborate on this a bit |
Gevlin
Universal Might DSM FOUNDATION
132
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Posted - 2012.04.13 04:17:00 -
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I am wondering how much of Dust 514 can be ported to WIS.
The quality of graphics are a lower quality than WIS. Meant to run on a old machine. When PS4 comes out and Dust moves to that platform. we may actually see some porting back and forth from WIS, Dust and WOD I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
356
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Posted - 2012.04.13 06:18:00 -
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Gevlin wrote:I am wondering how much of Dust 514 can be ported to WIS.
The quality of graphics are a lower quality than WIS. Meant to run on a old machine. When PS4 comes out and Dust moves to that platform. we may actually see some porting back and forth from WIS, Dust and WOD
I remember reading somewhere that CCP creates high detailed models and then uses them to create the lesser detailed models that end up in the game. So the higher quality suff might actually be available.
Personally I think that dust514 is going to increase the demand for avatar related gameplay in EVE. Simply because dust players will come to EVE who are used to avatars. And also because EVE players will see how much fun dust players are having with their avatars.
Besides. You can't T-Bad your enemy with a spaceship. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
466
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Posted - 2012.04.13 06:32:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:Yoma Karima wrote:Asteroids. you remember the old asteroid game where you flew a ship around a 2d field and shoot asteroids breaking them into smaller and smaller peaces. WiS could have retro space game arcades. Off topic: I would LOVE to see mining in EVE to be like that... You shoot roid, it brakes in smaller roids and then by only by color of that parts of that parts, in space, you see which parts to mine/scoop and which not.
That's how mining works in X3 games; asteroids are either too big to break so you build a mine on them, or are small and then you fire with a mining laser to break them into smaller chunks and collect them.*
*You can too set up a mining ship to do that off-sector with the appropiate autopilot software. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
466
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Posted - 2012.04.13 06:38:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Well, that's how the game goes. They can spoil your fun, yet you can't spoil theirs.
Do you have any illuminating ideas on new mechanics that allow a non-multiboxing solo player to effectively counter a small gang or blob?
Look after their leader and biomass him in his CQ. Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.04.13 07:19:00 -
[4560] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:The quality of graphics are a lower quality than WIS. Meant to run on a old machine. My 9800GT card likes the sound of that. |
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