WIS will come eventually, it has to

As i know CCP said that boosters and all illegal things will be only traded via WiS because when we are in pods we are connected with many computers and records of all things we do are there, so records of trading contraband (illegal) goods are there too. That is logical thing, if you don't want concord intervention in few seconds do not engage illegal things when you are being tracked and every your move is recorded.

To trade all illegal things you need to be disconnected from the computers grids and you are not connected only when you are out of your pod.
Then you can engage every illegal activity you want because there are not records of you doing it (just stay away from security cameras).

So, not be able to engage illegal activities from your pod, without concord intervention, is absolutely logical and i support that.

Abandon WiS.

Daneirkus Auralex,

Well said. Nothing to add to that.

Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars.

In my opinion, immersion is about scope and depth. DUST will add both to the EVE universe by allowing for a different, more casual type of action-driven gameplay while still allowing for full participation in our storyline. Perhaps, in the future, another client will allow room for more social gameplay, such as we'd expect to see in World of Darkness (except based in science fiction). Maybe instead of the current EVE Launcher, we'll see a composite launcher which allows us to launch our character into EVE, DUST or the social game. Perhaps new AI, logic and physics engines will allow us to do nearly anything we can imagine.

If threadnoughts like this prove anything, its that some EVE players want EVE to focus on spaceships, while others clearly demonstrate a demand for avatar-based gameplay. I, for one, would welcome a comprehensive sci-fi simulator, a thoroughly fleshed-out universe which allows us to immerse ourselves in a life of the future. Hilmar said it himself: EVE's "Future Vision" is still very relevant. I just wouldn't expect it to happen overnight.

CCP was not forced to remember this fact at great cost, I don't think.

Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars.

In my opinion, immersion is about scope and depth. DUST will add both to the EVE universe by allowing for a different, more casual type of action-driven gameplay while still allowing for full participation in our storyline. Perhaps, in the future, another client will allow room for more social gameplay, such as we'd expect to see in World of Darkness (except based in science fiction). Maybe instead of the current EVE Launcher, we'll see a composite launcher which allows us to launch our character into EVE, DUST or the social game. Perhaps new AI, logic and physics engines will allow us to do nearly anything we can imagine.

If threadnoughts like this prove anything, its that some EVE players want EVE to focus on spaceships, while others clearly demonstrate a demand for avatar-based gameplay. I, for one, would welcome a comprehensive sci-fi simulator, a thoroughly fleshed-out universe which allows us to immerse ourselves in a life of the future. Hilmar said it himself: EVE's "Future Vision" is still very relevant. I just wouldn't expect it to happen overnight.

Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars.

CCP was not forced to remember this fact at great cost, I don't think. The main reason that the vast majority of players got overwhelmingly angry at WiS is the fact that it was forced upon them every time they docked, ergo they were forced to remember not to force something on their entire playerbase. For many, their CPU's couldn't handle the station environment well at all, so it frustrated them quite a bit. This is my theory at least, as I thought aside from that, Incarna was a great expansion.

So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs.

The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'.

Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order.

The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003.
Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content.
CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production.
Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation.
CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time.
The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good.
CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose.
Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications.
CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'.
Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation.
CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts.
Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base.
Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues.
Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say."

Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner.


Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer.

By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected?

This new vision that social gameplay isn't gameplay concerns me.

20% of the company isnt at great cost?

Unfortunately, WIS does not have to see day light.
EVE can die before they realize that WiS is new EVEs life.

There you see that the dress up Barbie dolls do not care about the game. All they ant is another dress in the closet.

Desires for WiS are desires for MORE gameplay in EVE, not in another game.

See, I wouldn't care that much about WiS if I could play some other stuff in space -and by "some other" i think of something different than what EVE currently has to offer.

EVE as it is is a game i don't play any further. I already did what I was interested to do, so if I have to play EVE, then it must be something different. "More of the same old drill" won't do it, and i have a serious feeling that my case is not uncommon.

There is no endgame content for hiseccers. That certainly matches to CCP's design assumption that people joins EVE because of nullsec, but that assumption clashes against the fact that nullsec is a niche within the niche.

EVE is unique in many aspects, and so it will appeal to many kinds of players. Then CCP will drive most of them away with the faulty assumption that, as nullsec has appealed to the same 15,000 players for 9 years, then the other 330,000 can pretty much f* themselves and go play WoW if they don't like nullsec and grew bored of everything else.

I wonder how many players are like you, with the "since there is no wis there is no reason for me to play eve" situation. Makes one wonder why you got started in this game in the first place.
wis is a "would be nice" sorta thing for even the most ardent wis supporters, something they look forward to while playing with existing content. So no, it is not the 300,000, it is only you who should go f yourself back to wow.

I wonder how many players are like you, with the "since there is no wis there is no reason for me to play eve" situation. Makes one wonder why you got started in this game in the first place.
wis is a "would be nice" sorta thing for even the most ardent wis supporters, something they look forward to while playing with existing content. So no, it is not the 300,000, it is only you who should go f yourself back to wow.

I've played EVE for 3 years based on the existing content, but it has taken me only that far. 3 years, 800 euros, 2 accounts, 4 characters... that's quite a bit of effort for a game whose "endgame" never appealed to me.

EVE hasn't provided any new gameplay that could interest me since I started in October 2008. CCP has been throwing this and that stuff, and has been killing this and that other stuff, but EVE keeps sucking a lot if you like to play solo, casual or hisec (what I call "being a politically incorrrect player").

Seems like every few weeks this thread has 3 or 4 new alts (probably owned by the same person) jumping in here trying to make everyone (including CCP) believe they are voicing the opinions of the Eve Community.

The WiS-at-all-costs advocaters, are, of course, all genuine individuals and would never resort to sockpuppeting with alts.