There was one idea - something like this, by some guy - in dev blog comments
WiS as f2p or something and you need to buy plex (pilot licence) to fly in eve.
But still it would all be EVE and not separate game.

Torfi, for real, you're my favorite dev. That Troll Punkturis has nothing on you.

Moving along - I'm definitely excited to see this come through.

I've tossed some ideas around with the community and have a thread that's worked out ideas for game play objectives of the future and have positive support from players so far for the concepts we have fleshed out there :

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60345

I know it's a lot of text - but maybe you can find some trinkets in there that make sense for you.


To summarize the basic ideas in the post for the purpose of this thread :

- Create a social class of EVE player that doesn't have to fly spaceships as Free 2 Play content (they can cross over to flying spaceships with subs and PLEX fit perfectly). This will allow old EVE players to return "docked" and socialize and get dragged back into space, and allow current players to invite new friends or spouses for social time, and of course tap into the Free 2 Play market that people love to dabble around in. F2P would have no skill training, and other restrictions that make sense.

- Social gameplay can focus on using basic player owned establishments in the environment to generate "influence" to have control over a "district" of a game - the more successful an establishment, the more it generates influence, which can turn the district into a "bonus" for those who operate from that station. You could get cheaper taxes (economic benefits), you could get faster production (industry benefits), you could get "booster trading" (black market benefits). So, an establishment owner actually shapes his environment and station for other players. This of course quickly turns to politics and back-stabbing as people have different interests for different stations. (i.e. Jita would become a political hellhole).

- Finally, the F2Players would flesh out the station environments, promote sales and revenue through being able to access content and fill the spaces. Ways to interact with capsuleers would be important, social professions could emerge less focused on pew pew and more on things like : being a noobie recruiter, being a broker for capsuleers who don't want to get out of their ships, etc.

The thread digs into concepts by a few people, and I have generally gotten positive responses to the whole concept as proof that this is more than just my delusions.

Hope you enjoy.

The more I think about it... the more i see that this is the most brilliant idea.
It would make things for CCP easier (to follow industry in changes of payment model - one part can be F2P) and it would be the only way that current EVE players can accept F2P model (no much influence in space part at all).
And EVE would get more players, CCP more money, and old players would still be happy - and many more players would pay for PLEX too see whats the space they are living in so space part would get more pilots. And space part would get new content connected to WiS part.

This would be for CCP real reason to invest more in WiS.

i just thought that way CCP can make more money - and more money for CCP - more devs - better game.
But yea, I know, there is much problems with that.

I'll just quote what i found there:

Making WIS free to play and FIS not , will make WIS a sidegame to EVE .
While we know that the promise of WIS is something we will not see in the near future ,doing something like this will make WIS nothing more then a social network or maybe getting a occasional recruitment platform

We want WIS as promised.
I know it will not have any meaningful game play in the beginning,but it could have later on.
So i stick on the WIS idea ,we all want.
EvE didn,t evolve to what it is now ,WIS will be not another story
butt i am willing to give it a change,as long it is ingame and not as some portal to EvE

So I'm curious, what is your individual timeline expectations like, guys? I want this all tomorrow (If I had to admit to the excitement factor) but I also want them to do it so well that there can be no complaints about it. How long do you think it will take them?

So I'm curious, what is your individual timeline expectations like, guys? I want this all tomorrow (If I had to admit to the excitement factor) but I also want them to do it so well that there can be no complaints about it. How long do you think it will take them?

In the real world, it's impossible to asess what's gonna happen without a peek at CSM7 and Fanfest 2012.

I'm going to be bold here and suggest that even if the CSM turns out to not favour this; with enough voices we can force them to consider it. This thread has shown there is a level of support for ambulation that is still alive and well. It is difficult to gauge how much without raw data from CCP - especially as we are seeing only a slice of the forum population.

However, with a compelling enough post and enough "support" flags in the Jita Park Speakers Corner we can push the CSM to consider it. (In the mandate, read up on it if you don't believe me )

Maybe it is worth somebody (Preferably somebody neutral in the debate who is not engaged in forum warfare on all fronts) to put together a topic for discussion and then we can flock in and support it for the CSM.

Once the elections are done, of course.

(P.S. Glad to see you are still talking to me and hoping you understand the concept I was describing a bit better now)

I'm going to be bold here and suggest that even if the CSM turns out to not favour this; with enough voices we can force them to consider it. This thread has shown there is a level of support for ambulation that is still alive and well. It is difficult to gauge how much without raw data from CCP - especially as we are seeing only a slice of the forum population.

However, with a compelling enough post and enough "support" flags in the Jita Park Speakers Corner we can push the CSM to consider it. (In the mandate, read up on it if you don't believe me )

Maybe it is worth somebody (Preferably somebody neutral in the debate who is not engaged in forum warfare on all fronts) to put together a topic for discussion and then we can flock in and support it for the CSM.

Once the elections are done, of course.

(P.S. Glad to see you are still talking to me and hoping you understand the concept I was describing a bit better now)

[This thread has shown there is a level of support for ambulation that is still alive and well.

Considering that 80% of this thread is real Eve players trolling people who want CCP to ruin the game you are incorrect in your assertion.

You have to admit it is confusing.

We were just trying to get used to the idea that team Avatar was working on WiS, and this comes out with significant UI and other changes being accredited to you guys.

And when i see name of team Avatar (And we are talking about team of only few devs here.) above 2/3 of things that is not about avatars i am afraid that team Avatar is only (again) one PR thing and that you are neglecting us, and WiS, again... and i ask myself, for how many years will this go on, and on, and on!?...
And we are talking about team of only few devs here.

Maybe it's a bit confusing that Team Avatar was doing all these UI changes. The fact that we managed to put that out in Crucible 1.5 does not mean that we are some PR stunt and that we are not focusing on Avatar stuff and prototyping (the character creator is one of the systems the team is responsible for so I don't think character creation changes should be confusing people). All it really means is that there is a UI person in the team, and we want to contribute a little bit to the expansions even though we are working on prototyping.

What rubbed me the wrong way about the comments was that people were complaining about too many changes from us when all of them were implemented by only one person (me) and tested by another teammate. And to be honest, a lot of the work was done during my free time because I wanted to make those changes (which is not really good for sustainability, so it's not something we should be doing).

We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us

Maybe it's a bit confusing that Team Avatar was doing all these UI changes. The fact that we managed to put that out in Crucible 1.5 does not mean that we are some PR stunt and that we are not focusing on Avatar stuff and prototyping (the character creator is one of the systems the team is responsible for so I don't think character creation changes should be confusing people). All it really means is that there is a UI person in the team, and we want to contribute a little bit to the expansions even though we are working on prototyping.

What rubbed me the wrong way about the comments was that people were complaining about too many changes from us (and doing fuzzy math) when all of them were implemented by only one person (me) and tested by another teammate. And to be honest, a lot of the work was done during my free time because I wanted to make those changes (which is not really good for sustainability, so it's not something we should be doing).

We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us

What rubbed me the wrong way about the comments was that people were complaining about too many changes from us (and doing fuzzy math) when all of them were implemented by only one person (me) and tested by another teammate. And to be honest, a lot of the work was done during my free time because I wanted to make those changes (which is not really good for sustainability, so it's not something we should be doing).

We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us

The real nutty pro-WiS people can be safely ignored. They are a tiny minority, nothing will satisfy them until they hear that CCP is focusing 100% on making more space pants, and they don't really care about Eve.

Real Eve players appreciate the work you're doing.

The real nutty pro-WiS people can be safely ignored. They are a tiny minority, nothing will satisfy them until they hear that CCP is focusing 100% on making more space pants, and they don't really care about Eve.

Real Eve players appreciate the work you're doing.

To be player you need to play the game, and not just looking how to kill the game and troll all other players who love and care for the game.

Wow, I took a much needed break from the forums and I am very surprised to see that this topic is still here! I support WiS but not entirely at the expense of FiS gameplay.

I completely agree! That's why you and I don't support CCP wasting a bunch of resources on WiS when it almost killed the game and trolled all other players who love and care for the game.

Who said that their main objective is to kill EVE???

And we have a Winner!!!
Goons said it!!!!

Wow, I took a much needed break from the forums and I am very surprised to see that this topic is still here! I support WiS but not entirely at the expense of FiS gameplay.