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Sycotic Deninard
Basgerin Pirate SCUM.
35
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Posted - 2013.07.05 23:12:00 -
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Oh man, I got a bad feeling about this.... |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
945
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Posted - 2013.07.05 23:19:00 -
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Brainless Bimbo wrote:What function in the real world will he have?, produce long term strategy?, maximise short term profit?
Eve has plenty of room for micro transactions, dual training was one of them but more and moe are possible without braking the game or bring PTW stuff on nex/what-the-heck-name or anywhere else in Eve.
There is plenty of stuff to do with Eve, including open eyes to close minded people who think game market strategies apply RL.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Minister of Death
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2013.07.05 23:21:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:There is plenty of stuff to do with Eve
Maybe they can fix their launcher.
Wait, it's CCP...
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Zacoros Tandar
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.06 00:39:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Brainless Bimbo wrote:What function in the real world will he have?, produce long term strategy?, maximise short term profit?
Eve has plenty of room for micro transactions, dual training was one of them but more and moe are possible without braking the game or bring PTW stuff on nex/what-the-heck-name or anywhere else in Eve. There is plenty of stuff to do with Eve, including open eyes to close minded people who think game market strategies apply RL.
NO, no no, there is NO room in EvE for micro/macro-transactions. We pay a subscription fee, that should be enough. If you are ok with micro/macro-transactions, then let's see some Titans, super strong shield boosters, warp scrambler immunity mods.. etc on the cash shop... then see you like it.
Unless EvE goes free-to-play/buy-to-play there is NO PLACE for any kind of cash shop. |
Adunh Slavy
1110
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Posted - 2013.07.06 00:41:00 -
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Zacoros Tandar wrote:
NO, no no, there is NO room in EvE for micro/macro-transactions.
I think he was refering to things like dual training? Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Bob Blunts
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.07.06 03:33:00 -
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Hey Sean,
Welcome to the community. I'm going to reserve my judgement on you until I see what you're up to here. Couple of quick things though:
1. EvE is LITERALLY the last bastion of intelligent gameplay on the MMO market. It is a living breathing work of art, and the community is VERY attached to it. Us older players have nowhere else to go, so we are pretty fierce to defend our online home.
2. Remember Sean, EvE is like a really classy lady. She doesn't PLAY 4 FREE, and you can't PAY 2 WIN.
Please don't wreck our game, thanks! |
Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
50
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Posted - 2013.07.06 09:00:00 -
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Bob Blunts wrote:Hey Sean,
Welcome to the community. I'm going to reserve my judgement on you until I see what you're up to here. Couple of quick things though:
1. EvE is LITERALLY the last bastion of intelligent gameplay on the MMO market. It is a living breathing work of art, and the community is VERY attached to it. Us older players have nowhere else to go, so we are pretty fierce to defend our online home.
2. Remember Sean, EvE is like a really classy lady. She doesn't PLAY 4 FREE, and you can't PAY 2 WIN.
Please don't wreck our game, thanks!
Best post so far !
Give the man some Thumbs Up. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
610
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Posted - 2013.07.06 09:20:00 -
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Zacoros Tandar wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Brainless Bimbo wrote:What function in the real world will he have?, produce long term strategy?, maximise short term profit?
Eve has plenty of room for micro transactions, dual training was one of them but more and moe are possible without braking the game or bring PTW stuff on nex/what-the-heck-name or anywhere else in Eve. There is plenty of stuff to do with Eve, including open eyes to close minded people who think game market strategies apply RL. NO, no no, there is NO room in EvE for micro/macro-transactions. We pay a subscription fee, that should be enough. If you are ok with micro/macro-transactions, then let's see some Titans, super strong shield boosters, warp scrambler immunity mods.. etc on the cash shop... then see you like it. Unless EvE goes free-to-play/buy-to-play there is NO PLACE for any kind of cash shop.
Somebody pays my subscription fee, I don't know who nor do I care as long as they pay. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
369
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Posted - 2013.07.06 09:31:00 -
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Zacoros Tandar wrote:Unless EvE goes free-to-play/buy-to-play there is NO PLACE for any kind of cash shop.
Well, Blizzard is putting in a cash shop in the game, which players can buy an 100% XP booster (which on top of BoA gear) will make plowing to level 90 a breeze.
Big fuss about it at the WoW forums -- http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/9377319765
It's creeping even in WoW. The last bastion of the subscription only games.
Adding item malls into games should be considered a crime, since it's bypassing gambling laws (which this becomes). A subscription you're budgeting yourself in a game that can be very addictive as playing poker or the slots in Las Vegas. Add a cash shop to it, it becomes an UNREGULATED gambling casino.
It's under the radar now since whoever is using it has very few players. WoW has over 50% of all the MMO players. That'll draw the attention of politicians who just love taxes, and all the regulation that follows (like relooking at taxes online in general).
Some things just need to be buried for the sake of gaming. We don't need politicians coming over dictating how we play, as now there's even more money they can line their coffers with. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Toshiro Ozuwara
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
249
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Posted - 2013.07.06 09:33:00 -
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THERE IZ NO ROOM IN EVE FOR ANY TRANSACTIONS.
CCP MONEYPENNY PLS SAVE US. Will Fountain be Goonswarm's Waterloo?Read all about it in COAD. |
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Nariya Kentaya
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
647
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:17:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Zacoros Tandar wrote:Unless EvE goes free-to-play/buy-to-play there is NO PLACE for any kind of cash shop. Well, Blizzard is putting in a cash shop in the game, which players can buy an 100% XP booster (which on top of BoA gear) will make plowing to level 90 a breeze. Big fuss about it at the WoW forums -- http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/9377319765It's creeping even in WoW. The last bastion of the subscription only games. Adding item malls into games should be considered a crime, since it's bypassing gambling laws (which this becomes). A subscription you're budgeting yourself in a game that can be very addictive as playing poker or the slots in Las Vegas. Add a cash shop to it, it becomes an UNREGULATED gambling casino. It's under the radar now since whoever is using it has very few players. WoW has over 50% of all the MMO players. That'll draw the attention of politicians who just love taxes, and all the regulation that follows (like relooking at taxes online in general). Some things just need to be buried for the sake of gaming. We don't need politicians coming over dictating how we play, as now there's even more money they can line their coffers with. WoW is not the "last bastion" of subscription only, and it sure as hell doesnt have "50% of all the MMO players", both of those statements are so highly exaggerated that your entire post loses merit. |
Nerriana
Fistful of Finns Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
4
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:29:00 -
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Bob Blunts wrote:Hey Sean,
Welcome to the community. I'm going to reserve my judgement on you until I see what you're up to here. Couple of quick things though:
1. EvE is LITERALLY the last bastion of intelligent gameplay on the MMO market. It is a living breathing work of art, and the community is VERY attached to it. Us older players have nowhere else to go, so we are pretty fierce to defend our online home.
2. Remember Sean, EvE is like a really classy lady. She doesn't PLAY 4 FREE, and you can't PAY 2 WIN.
Please don't wreck our game, thanks!
Amen. I find hiring a former EA exec with this sort of background ...worrying. I do hope Sean will shake off bad habits and F2P-centric ideology that may have stuck from EA and becomes an asset for CCP, but I don't think I'm alone in saying that we'll be watching future developments carefully. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1295
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:49:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Zacoros Tandar wrote:Unless EvE goes free-to-play/buy-to-play there is NO PLACE for any kind of cash shop. Well, Blizzard is putting in a cash shop in the game, which players can buy an 100% XP booster (which on top of BoA gear) will make plowing to level 90 a breeze. Big fuss about it at the WoW forums -- http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/9377319765It's creeping even in WoW. The last bastion of the subscription only games. Adding item malls into games should be considered a crime, since it's bypassing gambling laws (which this becomes). A subscription you're budgeting yourself in a game that can be very addictive as playing poker or the slots in Las Vegas. Add a cash shop to it, it becomes an UNREGULATED gambling casino. It's under the radar now since whoever is using it has very few players. WoW has over 50% of all the MMO players. That'll draw the attention of politicians who just love taxes, and all the regulation that follows (like relooking at taxes online in general). Some things just need to be buried for the sake of gaming. We don't need politicians coming over dictating how we play, as now there's even more money they can line their coffers with.
Again, you are rabbiting on about some other game.
This is an Eve Online forum.
Please respect that. This is not a signature. |
Jimmy Morane
Aurora Novae Aetatis Expoit This Mf's
82
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:51:00 -
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Miilla wrote:PopeUrban wrote:Well I'll say this:
He DID stop working at EA.
*shrug*
Or did he, somebody check his share filings on the SEC :)
Yep, that's why I dubbed him CCP Awoxer on that other thread about what his ccp name would be.
Trust, but verify. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10570
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:21:00 -
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Zacoros Tandar wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Brainless Bimbo wrote:What function in the real world will he have?, produce long term strategy?, maximise short term profit?
Eve has plenty of room for micro transactions, dual training was one of them but more and moe are possible without braking the game or bring PTW stuff on nex/what-the-heck-name or anywhere else in Eve. There is plenty of stuff to do with Eve, including open eyes to close minded people who think game market strategies apply RL. NO, no no, there is NO room in EvE for micro/macro-transactions. We pay a subscription fee, that should be enough. If you are ok with micro/macro-transactions, then let's see some Titans, super strong shield boosters, warp scrambler immunity mods.. etc on the cash shop... then see you like it. Unless EvE goes free-to-play/buy-to-play there is NO PLACE for any kind of cash shop.
In fact EVE has one of the best selling and best designed microtransactions in the MMO world; PLEX.
1 Kings 12:11
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fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
79
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:50:00 -
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Nerriana wrote:Bob Blunts wrote:Hey Sean,
Welcome to the community. I'm going to reserve my judgement on you until I see what you're up to here. Couple of quick things though:
1. EvE is LITERALLY the last bastion of intelligent gameplay on the MMO market. It is a living breathing work of art, and the community is VERY attached to it. Us older players have nowhere else to go, so we are pretty fierce to defend our online home.
2. Remember Sean, EvE is like a really classy lady. She doesn't PLAY 4 FREE, and you can't PAY 2 WIN.
Please don't wreck our game, thanks! Amen. I find hiring a former EA exec with this sort of background ...worrying. I do hope Sean will shake off bad habits and F2P-centric ideology that may have stuck from EA and becomes an asset for CCP, but I don't think I'm alone in saying that we'll be watching future developments carefully.
ea as a company has sucked the life out of many small dev companies over the years as have many other companies. ccp got their last subscription from me. |
fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
79
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:10:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Calm down people. No EA person will be able to survive the rotten shark parties, he'll be gone in three months....
rotten shark. yum/ |
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2013.07.06 22:08:00 -
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I must admit, that after reading these news I am by no means amused. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
946
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Posted - 2013.07.06 23:16:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Zacoros Tandar wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Brainless Bimbo wrote:What function in the real world will he have?, produce long term strategy?, maximise short term profit?
Eve has plenty of room for micro transactions, dual training was one of them but more and moe are possible without braking the game or bring PTW stuff on nex/what-the-heck-name or anywhere else in Eve. There is plenty of stuff to do with Eve, including open eyes to close minded people who think game market strategies apply RL. NO, no no, there is NO room in EvE for micro/macro-transactions. We pay a subscription fee, that should be enough. If you are ok with micro/macro-transactions, then let's see some Titans, super strong shield boosters, warp scrambler immunity mods.. etc on the cash shop... then see you like it. Unless EvE goes free-to-play/buy-to-play there is NO PLACE for any kind of cash shop. In fact EVE has one of the best selling and best designed microtransactions in the MMO world; PLEX.
Indeed but people don't understand there are other ways of doing stuff they clearly don't understand or have any clue about.
Yet plex is exactly the business model CCP needs to keep pushing, and there's plenty of room to do it. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Evei Shard
205
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Posted - 2013.07.07 01:08:00 -
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The problem with people like Sean is that they see the users as numbers, and the last thing they care about is how the users feel about the game. All that matters is money. This is why EA has the reputation it has. Same goes for companies like NCSoft, where they only see players as a cash cow to be milked dry in as short a time as possible to appease investors.
I've not done a lot of in depth research on it, but in my experience in both games and real world businesses, I have never seen a new executive hire who did a complete turn away from his or her ideals. In fact, most companies that I've come across hire people because of those ideals and beliefs.
To that end, CCP likely hired Sean for the very reasons that concern the player-base the most. To me, that says a lot about what the top end of the CCP employment chain thinks about us as well. Sometimes I find myself in game wondering what happened to CCP, and who exactly it is that controls things now. Profit favors the prepared |
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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.07.07 01:13:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Shade Millith wrote: EA ... are not exactly popular. This is like saying water is sort of wet. And I will put this out there now: Paid DLC will be the death of Eve. Probably not in terms of subscribers or income (you can always find more newbs, after all, assuming you make the game themepark enough) but it will no longer be the game we all love. It will be a shell of what it is now, and on that black day I will happily march with whomever wants to go straight to the starter systems and suicide gank every damned newbie I see for daring to break our game.
Ganking will not be possible with the new "themepark" DLC that are coming.
Well, if push comes to shove, there's this: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/about-the-game It certainly looks interesting. Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
359
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Posted - 2013.07.07 01:28:00 -
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Tyrendian Biohazard wrote:Oh no.
No no.
NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO
God/Universe/Flying Spaghetti Monster please save us right now.
CCP if there was ever a time to listen to the fans of your amazing game, now would be the time. May his noodliness bring Beer valcanoes and stripper factories to EvE.
As far as a VP from EA, I'm sure he'll contribute something better than fermented shark. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
51
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Posted - 2013.07.07 01:56:00 -
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/29/interview-ea-sean-decker-play4free-games_n_2211813.html
"I see the world as a micro-transaction" - nuff said
EVE Online 2003-2013 R.I.P.
lol |
Evei Shard
205
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Posted - 2013.07.07 02:15:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote: Ganking will not be possible with the new "themepark" DLC that are coming.
CCP doesn't need any new DLC stuff to prevent ganking. It's as simple as "If ship is in highsec, force safety to green". Profit favors the prepared |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.07.07 02:34:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:... We know CCP listens and responds, sometimes slower than we like and sometimes with alarming speed. Sometimes CCP screws up, sometimes they don't. When we think they are headed the wrong way, we let them know. Only once has CCP and the player base had a serious disagreement, in my memory anyway. (Granted T20 and the carrier change created some big kerfluffles, but not to the degree of the summer of rage.) The disagreement was centered around the whole micro transactions question and the integrity of the sandbox with regards to pay to win aka golden ammo.
So far this thread and the mood I sense from the community is no where near making any credible threats. This is a shot across the bow at best, letting CCP know we have not forgotten and we hope they haven't either. The reasonable among us are pretty sure CCP has not forgotten and views, as we do, the integrity of the sandbox as paramount...
Well said. At the very least the new VP at CCP will get a sense of what would incense the player base. Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Clair Bear
Ursine Research and Production
4
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Posted - 2013.07.07 07:08:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote:[quote=Inokuma Yawara]
CCP doesn't need any new DLC stuff to prevent ganking. It's as simple as "If ship is in highsec, force safety to green".
How much revenue would a unit provide to buy a "ganking immunity booster" for say 7 days? $5? A PLEX? 10 PLEXes? The value proposition for absolute safety when mining or missioning in highsec is definitely there.
Plenty of ways to sell this as DLC as well. "Purchase this to unlock stasis field generators on your pod. Each stasis generator recharge pack (available in the NEX store) activates to provide 20 seconds of invulnerability whenever the player is damaged by another player in highsec. Stock up and save!"
And IMO something like this would fly with the vast majority of the player base. Pimped out mission runners and 23x7 miners would be all over it. Gankers might be at peace with it because ostensibly every time they shoot at an "immune" person it costs them a bunch of cash. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
373
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Posted - 2013.07.07 07:50:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:WoW is not the "last bastion" of subscription only, and it sure as hell doesnt have "50% of all the MMO players", both of those statements are so highly exaggerated that your entire post loses merit.
Living in that oyster again?
Name any MMO that is subscription only that has more than 9 million players.
There isn't any.
Take all of these Western MMOs and put them together, and WoW will still have over half the player base in MMOs.
Anything else is cynicism. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9691
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Posted - 2013.07.07 08:33:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:WoW is not the "last bastion" of subscription only, and it sure as hell doesnt have "50% of all the MMO players", both of those statements are so highly exaggerated that your entire post loses merit. Living in that oyster again? Name any MMO that is subscription only that has more than 9 million players. There isn't any. Take all of these Western MMOs and put them together, and WoW will still have over half the player base in MMOs. Anything else is cynicism. Now remove the circa 50% of WoW players that reside in Asia, seeing as you've excluded Asian MMOs from your statement, oh and your numbers are out by around 10%, WoW currently has a total of just over 8 million subscribers, not 9 million.
Why shouldn't we be able to rob people of their valuables for profit? |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
52
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Posted - 2013.07.07 14:09:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Take all of these Western MMOs and put them together, and WoW will still have over half the player base in MMOs.
Anything else is cynicism.
First of all, everybody knows that lol WoW lol is dead, and throwing pandas in there ain't gonna bring it back.
Second, if you remove your head out of Blizzard's ass for a bit and look around, you will see other sucessful games out there and think a bit before you make such statements.
ArenaNet's (former Blizzard Employees and WoW devs) Guild Wars has sold over 6.5 million copies in 5 years http://www.joystiq.com/2010/08/31/guild-wars-surpasses-6-5-million-sales-sequel-will-be-released/
Guild Wars 2 in the first 4 months upon release sold over 3 million http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/01/15/guild-wars-2-sales-figures-future-plans-revealed
and runs the only healthy and sustainable micro-transaction system for an MMO http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/05/14/guild-wars-2-microtransaction-sales-have-been-consistent-and-strong/
(EVERYTHING in the ingame store -boosts/consumables/armor and weapon skins/vanity items/account upgrades/etc- can be obtained with gems. Gems work like PLEX in EVE, which are bought with real money by someone, and spent directly or traded to other players for gold. The game market is player driven and the PVP is attribute balanced so it dont matter much if ur level 1 or 80 and if you grinded up fast using **** ton of xp boosters and other **** from the gemstore) Only like this can a micro-transaction using game truly remain free2play and not pay2win, and keep a steady cashflow income instead of a fast buck and DIAF situation (e.g. Dust514). |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
379
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Posted - 2013.07.07 14:21:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Take all of these Western MMOs and put them together, and WoW will still have over half the player base in MMOs.
Anything else is cynicism. First of all, everybody knows that lol WoW lol is dead, and throwing pandas in there ain't gonna bring it back.
Any everybody knows if you continue to insult half the MMO players, you'll have a dead game. Why come to a game that from the start doesn't care about them?
EvE isn't going anywhere until it looks to attract the very players you insult...and yeah, you'll need them from everywhere, including WoW.
Business 101. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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