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Samurai Pumpkin
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Posted - 2005.11.23 05:19:00 -
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I'm wondering because I used an energy transfer thingy about 5 months ago and got concord'd so I'm not so sure about this.
Does anybody know for sure?
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.11.23 05:23:00 -
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Yup. Ever since a patch after the Xombie incident in Yulai, remote boosting and repairing a hostile individual are hostile acts, as well as tracking links and remote sensor boosters etc.
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Kim Usemake
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Posted - 2005.11.23 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Yup. Ever since a patch after the Xombie incident in Yulai, remote boosting and repairing a hostile individual are hostile acts, as well as tracking links and remote sensor boosters etc.
Can you elaborate, please? How were they used offensively, etc... and any further illumination on assist mods. If, say, I see corp x and y fighting, as a neutral, and want to rep a damaged x ship, am I flagged for y to shoot me?
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2005.11.23 05:41:00 -
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Hah, you were in alliance chat when someone brought htat up, werent you.
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GC13
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Posted - 2005.11.23 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kim Usemake Can you elaborate, please? How were they used offensively, etc... and any further illumination on assist mods. If, say, I see corp x and y fighting, as a neutral, and want to rep a damaged x ship, am I flagged for y to shoot me?
They basically had one dude smartbombing at a gate while his buddies healed him. CONCORD couldn't break the tank, so they could go on as long as they wanted to.
NOW CONCORD will switch to targets that are healing the aggroer. And Y can indeed attack you, the neutral. You are, after all, directly aiding their enemy.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.11.23 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kim Usemake
Originally by: Nyphur Yup. Ever since a patch after the Xombie incident in Yulai, remote boosting and repairing a hostile individual are hostile acts, as well as tracking links and remote sensor boosters etc.
Can you elaborate, please? How were they used offensively, etc... and any further illumination on assist mods. If, say, I see corp x and y fighting, as a neutral, and want to rep a damaged x ship, am I flagged for y to shoot me?
A bunch of guys in a corp called Zombies Inc decided to park a bunch of battleships in Yulai. They engaged local pilots and concord responded but each of them had a fleet of cruisers and battleships remote repairing their shields. They tanked concord, bypassing a vital game mechanic to turn a 1.0 system into a 0.0 style gankathon. They were all banned.
If someone is criminally flagged, activating assist modules on them will flag you too. I believe you even get a warning message popped up about it saying you are assisting a criminal.
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Great Artista
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Posted - 2005.11.23 06:32:00 -
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They were all banned?!
Why is that? I cant see anything wrong using stuff that ccp themselves made. Something is truly wrong here... -------------
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2005.11.23 06:42:00 -
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ôThey were all banned?! Why is that? I cant see anything wrong using stuff that ccp themselves made. Something is truly wrong here...ö They got banned as they did it in a 1.0 sector which is meant to be 99.999% safe. You donÆt get NPC rats I believe in 1.0 sectors.
Due to the exploit they where killing and podding 100Æs of new and experienced pilots in a 1.0 sector. The GMÆs asked them to stop and they refused so they got a ban.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.11.23 06:49:00 -
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Surviving concord is an exploit. They're deliberately meant to be a "lose your ship" button for aggressors in empire space 0.5 sec or above.
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Samurai Pumpkin
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Posted - 2005.11.23 06:54:00 -
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Okay bear with me for a moment, but does this mean that you cant use Remote Armor Repairers at all in 1.0 - 0.1 space without taking a sec hit regardless if you are a member of the corp or not?
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.11.23 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Samurai Pumpkin Okay bear with me for a moment, but does this mean that you cant use Remote Armor Repairers at all in 1.0 - 0.1 space without taking a sec hit regardless if you are a member of the corp or not?
Oh, no. You can repair anyone you like. But if that person commits an aggressive act and gets concord-splatted, you will too for aiding him.
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Kim Usemake
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Posted - 2005.11.23 07:02:00 -
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I assume a neutral third party could still sit at a moon or middle of nowhere spot and repair ships that warped in, of course, nearly free of corp warfare action... concord though?
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.11.23 07:09:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 23/11/2005 07:09:49
Originally by: Kim Usemake I assume a neutral third party could still sit at a moon or middle of nowhere spot and repair ships that warped in, of course, nearly free of corp warfare action... concord though?
Get on the test server and try it out if you aren't sure. Or better yet use an alt on tq to test it. I don't know if concord will splat you for aiding in a corp war.
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.11.23 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kim Usemake I assume a neutral third party could still sit at a moon or middle of nowhere spot and repair ships that warped in, of course, nearly free of corp warfare action... concord though?
Repairing any flagged ship will result in you being flagged.
Observed this last night.
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Samurai Pumpkin
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Posted - 2005.11.23 07:36:00 -
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Flagged just means free game instead of Concordblasticrated right?
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.11.23 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Maggot
Originally by: Kim Usemake I assume a neutral third party could still sit at a moon or middle of nowhere spot and repair ships that warped in, of course, nearly free of corp warfare action... concord though?
Repairing any flagged ship will result in you being flagged.
Observed this last night.
Yes but the question was about corp war, not criminal flagging.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.11.23 08:05:00 -
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if u rep someone in a corp war, you are open season for the people the war is against. you can't shoot them till they attack you though
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Kunming
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Posted - 2005.11.23 08:27:00 -
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Another question on a similar matter, why does a friendly POS (belongs to same alliance) fire on me if I use assist modules (rep, sensor link, boost etc) on my alliance m8s??
Yeah apparently the devs took the short route in coding this and simply put these actions under the aggresive actions category without thinking long about it
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.11.23 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Great Artista They were all banned?!
Why is that? I cant see anything wrong using stuff that ccp themselves made. Something is truly wrong here...
To clarify the point, they were not banned for their actions. The GMs realised that the parties involved had found an exploit in the Concord security system and intervened. They contacted the aggressors and asked them to stop their attack. Despite several warnings, some players continued and it was this that got them banned, not the inital attack.
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Rheinkraft
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Posted - 2005.11.23 10:31:00 -
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I used to have the vid of zombie doing that in yulai, It has gone from my pc but i would like to see it again if anyone could help with a linky....????
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.11.23 10:57:00 -
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Linky!
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2005.11.23 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Great Artista They were all banned?!
Why is that? I cant see anything wrong using stuff that ccp themselves made. Something is truly wrong here...
You are stupid if you can't see anything wrong with what they were doing .
CCP don't deliberately make exploits/bugs (apart from the Tech II lottery ).
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.23 11:04:00 -
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What?!
Using a remote repper isn't a hostile action.
Assisting a criminal is. - Proud member of the [23].
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Trak Cranker
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Posted - 2005.11.23 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Great Artista They were all banned?!
Why is that? I cant see anything wrong using stuff that ccp themselves made. Something is truly wrong here...
You are basically saying that the game must be assumed to be flawless - and all reference to and talk of exploits is something you don't understand?
I would not say that some_thing_ is wrong here...
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2005.11.23 11:19:00 -
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Answer to the OPs question:
Yes and No.
If you repair someone who is aggressed then yes, you will be aggressed. If you repair someone who doesnt have aggresion then no, you will not be. ___________ Drones Oh Anhialation I.R.O.N |
Ifni
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Posted - 2005.11.23 11:29:00 -
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Enrgy transfer, armour/shield transfer and remote linking are not hostile acts, to the best of my knowledge. However, as someone said, assissting a flagged player flags you too.
As for the Zombie incident, it was directly responsible for there being 8 sentries in high sec space. DrunkenOne made a pair of videos about events at the time, starting with the awesome Crielere event and then ending with Zombies camping Yulai. Both were pivotal points in EVE many moons ago.
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Nexus1972
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Posted - 2005.11.23 11:37:00 -
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It was most pleasing to remote armour reapir a macro some time ago, for them to think i was shooting/nosing them and returning fire :-)
Question is now that reping someone is a flagable offence, if i rep a macro miner, and they attack me - do i get flagged? :-)
I think a quick flight on test server is called for.
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.11.23 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus1972
Question is now that reping someone is a flagable offence, if i rep a macro miner, and they attack me - do i get flagged? :-)
Using any kind of remote boosting on another party is only flaggable under very specific conditions:
* They are at war - You will be a fair target for their enemies * They have commited a criminal act in 0.5 and above - YOu will be criminally flagged by Concord
And a new feature which will take place in the next big patch:
* They have stolen from anotehr player's jetcan - You will be personally flagged to the agrieved party only
As macromining is not a criminal act (pity), there is no way you can be flagged, criminally or otherwise, by using a remote repairer on a macrominer.
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Corvus Anderran
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Posted - 2005.11.23 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Hawkes
Originally by: Nexus1972
Question is now that reping someone is a flagable offence, if i rep a macro miner, and they attack me - do i get flagged? :-)
Using any kind of remote boosting on another party is only flaggable under very specific conditions:
* They are at war - You will be a fair target for their enemies * They have commited a criminal act in 0.5 and above - YOu will be criminally flagged by Concord
And a new feature which will take place in the next big patch:
* They have stolen from anotehr player's jetcan - You will be personally flagged to the agrieved party only
As macromining is not a criminal act (pity), there is no way you can be flagged, criminally or otherwise, by using a remote repairer on a macrominer.
There is a way. He's saying that he remote reps the macrominer, which the macrominer responds to by attacking him. However, since the macrominer would then be flagged to Concord, remote repping the macrominer would pass on the flag. Maybe if you set it to manual and run one cycle it will work though.
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Mon Maures
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Posted - 2005.11.23 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
A bunch of guys in a corp called Zombies Inc decided to park a bunch of battleships in Yulai. They engaged local pilots and concord responded but each of them had a fleet of cruisers and battleships remote repairing their shields. They tanked concord, bypassing a vital game mechanic to turn a 1.0 system into a 0.0 style gankathon. They were all banned.
I remember this incident and banning the Zombies was wrong wrong wrong. They used the game mechanics, they didn't cheat, it may have been greifing on a massive scale but a ban is out of proportion. CCP should ensure that Concord can "gank" anything if they really want to keep empire systems safe, not blame a group of enterprising greifers who found a legitimate way to neutralize concord
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