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dreadshane
Hell or HiWater
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Posted - 2013.06.22 21:07:00 -
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I have welcomed the new changes to the Orca, with the new updates. The two changes that would make it complete would be to expand the ore bay to 100k and make the capital tractor beam mountable. Others have asked for more slots or more power, I don't think this is needed |
MicDeath Titan
Twilight Star Rangers
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Posted - 2013.06.23 05:54:00 -
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What?? |
Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.23 06:02:00 -
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dreadshane wrote:I have welcomed the new changes to the Orca, with the new updates. The two changes that would make it complete would be to expand the ore bay to 100k and make the capital tractor beam mountable. Others have asked for more slots or more power, I don't think this is needed
I've always wondered why you can't fit capitol tractors since it is a "Capitol ship" no?
To bad the ore bay is soooo small. |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
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Posted - 2013.06.23 07:53:00 -
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All requests for such things as increased ore bay size, slot for tractor beam, extra CPU & PG generally fall under the result that yield will be increased. Increased yield across the board will result in decreasing prices Not good.
The changes to freighters and macro bot afk-ers moving from ice to ore are already causing problems. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.06.23 08:15:00 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:All requests for such things as increased ore bay size, slot for tractor beam, extra CPU & PG generally fall under the result that yield will be increased. Increased yield across the board will result in decreasing prices Not good. The changes to freighters and macro bot afk-ers moving from ice to ore are already causing problems.
the increase in ore bay size will have precisely 0 affect on yield, same with cpu and pg, and additional high slots.
mainly because the orca doesn't mine, and none of those changes affect it's boosting potential. |
Shock
Interim Industries
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Posted - 2013.06.23 13:04:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:All requests for such things as increased ore bay size, slot for tractor beam, extra CPU & PG generally fall under the result that yield will be increased. Increased yield across the board will result in decreasing prices Not good. The changes to freighters and macro bot afk-ers moving from ice to ore are already causing problems. the increase in ore bay size will have precisely 0 affect on yield, same with cpu and pg, and additional high slots. mainly because the orca doesn't mine, and none of those changes affect it's boosting potential.
It boosts overall mining efficiency in the game. This WILL result in decreasing prices (though not drastically, I suspect)
Anyway, the Orca is fine as it is, simply and irrefutably proven by its popularity.
Hint: ships that need boosts are the ones that are NOT popular.
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Athena Auduin
Rats of NIMH
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Posted - 2013.06.24 02:13:00 -
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Q 5 wrote:dreadshane wrote:I have welcomed the new changes to the Orca, with the new updates. The two changes that would make it complete would be to expand the ore bay to 100k and make the capital tractor beam mountable. Others have asked for more slots or more power, I don't think this is needed I've always wondered why you can't fit capitol tractors since it is a "Capitol ship" no? To bad the ore bay is soooo small.
The Orca is not a capital ship, it is an Industrial Command Ship. |
QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
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Posted - 2013.06.24 03:35:00 -
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Athena Auduin wrote:Q 5 wrote:dreadshane wrote:I have welcomed the new changes to the Orca, with the new updates. The two changes that would make it complete would be to expand the ore bay to 100k and make the capital tractor beam mountable. Others have asked for more slots or more power, I don't think this is needed I've always wondered why you can't fit capitol tractors since it is a "Capitol ship" no? To bad the ore bay is soooo small. The Orca is not a capital ship, it is an Industrial Command Ship.
Market -> Ships -> Capital Ships -> Capital Industrial Ships -> ORE -> Orca
It is a capital ship. It's in the same section of the market as dreadnaughts and carriers. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.06.24 03:46:00 -
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Shock wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:All requests for such things as increased ore bay size, slot for tractor beam, extra CPU & PG generally fall under the result that yield will be increased. Increased yield across the board will result in decreasing prices Not good. The changes to freighters and macro bot afk-ers moving from ice to ore are already causing problems. the increase in ore bay size will have precisely 0 affect on yield, same with cpu and pg, and additional high slots. mainly because the orca doesn't mine, and none of those changes affect it's boosting potential. It boosts overall mining efficiency in the game. This WILL result in decreasing prices (though not drastically, I suspect) Anyway, the Orca is fine as it is, simply and irrefutably proven by its popularity. Hint: ships that need boosts are the ones that are NOT popular.
no it won't, it will have 0 affect on yield, as i pointed out.
nothing about it's boosting capability, and thus the yield of mining ships, will be affected by a change in ore bay size, or pg/cpu. |
Shock
Interim Industries
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Posted - 2013.06.24 10:07:00 -
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Mining efficiency is NOT the same as mining yield.
You know what the biggest boost to mining efficiency was in the game, EVER? When players thought up the mechanic of jet-can mining. Something completely not envisioned by the devs, yet being able to divide labor with dedicated haulers made the mining process so much more efficient it made an complete mess of CCP timetable for player and economy progression in the first year of the game.
In that same way, increased ore holds for Orca's would make their role as ore hauler more efficient, thus making the overall mining process more efficient (though I don't think it's a very big efficiency multiplier)
Saying that mining is only about the m3/hour yield of mining ships, puts you into the same category of 'clueless' people that never thought of jet-can mining. |
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.06.24 18:17:00 -
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Shock wrote:Mining efficiency is NOT the same as mining yield.
You know what the biggest boost to mining efficiency was in the game, EVER? When players thought up the mechanic of jet-can mining. Something completely not envisioned by the devs, yet being able to divide labor with dedicated haulers made the mining process so much more efficient it made an complete mess of CCP timetable for player and economy progression in the first year of the game.
In that same way, increased ore holds for Orca's would make their role as ore hauler more efficient, thus making the overall mining process more efficient (though I don't think it's a very big efficiency multiplier)
Saying that mining is only about the m3/hour yield of mining ships, puts you into the same category of 'clueless' people that never thought of jet-can mining.
if you think warping an orca to a station once an hour instead of twice will have any affect on prices, you're completely bonkers. |
dreadshane
Hell or HiWater
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Posted - 2013.06.25 00:45:00 -
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i just thinking of the relative size of the orca, and the role it has to fill. It is a capital ship, and should be able to utilize the modules that they do. Also I would think it would that its ore caring ability would be a little more that a glorify retriever. Look i'm not looking to mount a doomsday device, I just want to see the orca do its job as per the original intent. Considering the changes to mining as a whole, this doesn't show up on the radar as anything to speak of. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:31:00 -
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dreadshane wrote:i just thinking of the relative size of the orca, and the role it has to fill. It is a capital ship, and should be able to utilize the modules that they do. Also I would think its ore carryng ability would be a little more that a glorify retriever. Look i'm not looking to mount a doomsday device, I just want to see the orca do its job as per the original intent. Considering the changes to mining as a whole, this doesn't show up on the radar as anything to speak of. I was being reasonable, I only asked for a 50K increase. Truth be known, it should have a 150K Ore bay. Don't forget anybody can drop a freight container now days and give themselves 250K of storage, on the spot
Yeah, and you can kill those 250k storage containers with a rookie ship. The orca takes just a bit more. The orca already does enough well, it doesn't need more.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Apex Nebula Ventures
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Posted - 2013.06.25 14:23:00 -
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I would trade some of the generic cargo space for a larger ore hold. It's not that I have anything against using an Orca for hauling stuff other than ore it just fits better with its role imo.
Tangential question: Has CCP ever said why minerals aren't allowed in ore holds? |
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2013.06.25 20:21:00 -
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If it was going to get a capital tractor it should also use capital rigs - it still uses Large rigs, which is another point against people who say it's a Proper Capital. -- |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.06.25 21:53:00 -
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Want a bigger floating jetcan? Grab a Charon.
Not worth the extra character slot? Make do with the Orca. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.26 13:16:00 -
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QuakeGod wrote: Market -> Ships -> Capital Ships -> Capital Industrial Ships -> ORE -> Orca
It is a capital ship. It's in the same section of the market as dreadnaughts and carriers.
Doesn't require Capital Ships skill... not a capital
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dreadshane
Hell or HiWater
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:02:00 -
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I would gladly get the Capital Ship skill (already got it), and install capital rigs for these small improvements. Some people just can't pass a punchbowl without pissing in it! Even if they have to drink it later themselves. |
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:30:00 -
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QuakeGod wrote:Athena Auduin wrote:Q 5 wrote:dreadshane wrote:I have welcomed the new changes to the Orca, with the new updates. The two changes that would make it complete would be to expand the ore bay to 100k and make the capital tractor beam mountable. Others have asked for more slots or more power, I don't think this is needed I've always wondered why you can't fit capitol tractors since it is a "Capitol ship" no? To bad the ore bay is soooo small. The Orca is not a capital ship, it is an Industrial Command Ship. Market -> Ships -> Capital Ships -> Capital Industrial Ships -> ORE -> Orca It is a capital ship. It's in the same section of the market as dreadnaughts and carriers.
It doesn't require capital ship skill neither do freighters.
Orca, freighters and jump freighters can use stargates. Dreads and carriers can't use stargates. |
Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2013.06.28 13:08:00 -
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The ore bay needs a bump up, but that's all. |
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Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:12:00 -
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didn't realize anyone still used the ore bay, now that freighters can pickup items in space and use the orca's fleet hangar. |
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Apex Nebula Ventures
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:13:00 -
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Gotta do something until you can afford a freighter. |
PhatController
Abraxsys Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:01:00 -
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Module/rig that converts cargo space into ore hold at a ration for 2-3:1? Allow people to make a more dedicated mining ship without making it an OP hauler? |
dreadshane
Hell or HiWater
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Posted - 2013.06.29 22:47:00 -
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At least let the modules you have effect the size of the ore bay! |
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