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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.06.21 12:56:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Quote:New Players left out. Drones V is unfair. No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them. The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.
Nonsense Falc (ima call you Falc because shortening your name makes me look cool and typing 2 more letters to get your name right is *effort*), don't you know by now? You OWE us 5 drones.......And Battleship V.... and the Ability to fly Titans from "birth". Anything else is wrong and you should go back to DEV school bruh!
Also, please send the bill for the CCP Sarcasm meter i just exploded to:
Jenn A. Side P.O. Box 6969 BumPhuk , Egypt 90210
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1145
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Posted - 2013.06.21 13:02:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Skill Training Online wrote:CCP should change the way the "Drones" skill works.
Set the base number of drones controllable to 5.
Have the skill just increase the damage by 20% per level.
It really feels bad to be a low SP player in a fleet with older players and only being able to launch two drones.
This is an emotional crisis for many new players. I've always said, CCP should just allow people to buy Skill Points with PLEX. That way, "low SP players" are forced to spend 100's of Dollars/Euros/Pesos to jump right in with absolutely NO CLUE of what they are doing. Pure winsauce for everyone.
the one constant in eve is SP gained per hour DO NOT FUNK WITH IT.
absolutely NO plex for skills that would break so much of the game that people like.
I invested x years and some neckbeard with a month off work can catch me up? no thanks. i had to wait, you have to wait. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
250
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Posted - 2013.06.21 13:05:00 -
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In related news - New players are left out of things they havent skilled for yet.
Personally I agree and would like to see more new players in Titans. They should not be left out of Titans just because they do not meet the minim requirements. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
697
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Posted - 2013.06.21 13:33:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
i'd actually buy plex to do this... especially for all those prerequisites that aren't ideal to train on my current remap. (looking at you propulsion jamming!)
Ah, but you have the benefit of hindsight and experience.... the new recruit desperately hoping CCP will change the rules, not so much.
C'est la guerre.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
697
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Posted - 2013.06.21 13:34:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote: the one constant in eve is SP gained per hour DO NOT FUNK WITH IT.
absolutely NO plex for skills that would break so much of the game that people like.
I invested x years and some neckbeard with a month off work can catch me up? no thanks. i had to wait, you have to wait.
Precisely. ^^
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
353
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Posted - 2013.06.21 13:52:00 -
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why cant ccp just give me all my skills to 5?
this seems like a lot of work.
what did you call this game again? steve online? who's steve? |
Kha'Vorn
Fruidian Logic The Volition Cult
109
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Posted - 2013.06.21 13:55:00 -
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And now I realise why I gave up reading these forums. |
Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
463
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:02:00 -
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lol OP is still butt hurt about exploration changes. Attempts to troll other aspects of eve.
Stop Ship Toasting please. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1610
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:09:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them.
The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.
That seems like the very definition of "fair" to me, actually - it works the exact same way for everyone.
An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1609
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:21:00 -
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Sex Slave Girl wrote:Try drone interfacing lvl 5 for 35 days.
Come back and ***** when you have Fighter Bombers 5. Drone Interfacing 5 will seem like a short vacation. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
869
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:28:00 -
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Skill Training Online wrote:CCP should change the way the "Drones" skill works.
Set the base number of drones controllable to 5.
Have the skill just increase the damage by 20% per level.
It really feels bad to be a low SP player in a fleet with older players and only being able to launch two drones.
This is an emotional crisis for many new players.
Training skills past lvl1 helps out.
We all did it and we're still training so why shouldn't you?
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
869
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:30:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Sex Slave Girl wrote:Try drone interfacing lvl 5 for 35 days. Come back and ***** when you have Fighter Bombers 5. Drone Interfacing 5 will seem like a short vacation.
45 for fighters V already discouraged me on top of not being able to dock a super carrier., can fly it but will not stuck any of my chars in.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
446
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Posted - 2013.06.21 15:37:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote: The question you gotta ask yourself is "is this a good design choice, how does this make the game better, especially since this mostly affects new players, and especially since we've just introduced a T1 frigate that requires 5 drones to function?" How is it a good thing, for a new player, to be told, after purchasing a Tristan, "sorry, but you have to wait a week before you can actually use this".
Save for the fact that the Tristan does not require 5 drones to function. It can be piloted with no drone skills at all, if someone was so inclined.
It will suffer for it, but it suffers for every day that the pilot doesn't have max drone skills, too.
There are Gallente and Amarr destroyers that benefit from Drones V, as well.
If a pilot intends to use these hulls, then planning ahead would be indicated, much as it is with most things in EVE. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
UddWilliam
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.06.21 15:40:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Quote:New Players left out. Drones V is unfair. No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them. The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.
That means who buy more game time should have more skills. Pay, wait, and you win.
Skill training online, good name for this.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
1123
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Posted - 2013.06.21 15:41:00 -
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AlphaOperative Altren wrote:Skill Training Online wrote:This is an emotional crisis for many new players. This line makes me happy
Clubbing baby seals makes you happy too An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
Spurty
900
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Posted - 2013.06.21 15:48:00 -
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Delete drones, think of something less silly (Infinite ammo, infinite cap yadda yadda boom boom) --- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. **** |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1473
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:00:00 -
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SpoonRECKLESS wrote:Stop this now! You guys got your dueling crime watch (which I love really much) and now they did the skills changes to cruisers and bc.No learn the skill like we all did or go away. I'm all for helping new players understand and get into eve but I don't want any hand holding. We all must feel the torture of skills training slowlyyyyyyieeeee.I died many times my first month in eve trail and error is the only way you learn and get better.The skill is only lvl 5 talk to me when your training a skill 30 days +.Deal with it
Hahaha br0 do you even carrier/dread/capital ships V? Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
UddWilliam
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:10:00 -
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UddWilliam wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Quote:New Players left out. Drones V is unfair. No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them. The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones. That means who buy more game time should have more skills. Pay, wait, and you win. Skill training online, good name for this.
Stick to every design that has "run well for decades", and EVE will stuck in a trap where it will keep losing new players.
Newbie is just a dish for vets. Come, die and get out.
Vets always has advantages, no matter isks, skills, game experience, social relationship. Who come earlier will win this game.
The only two ways for newbies to win are : 1. they are much cleverer than vets 2. pay more money, for gametime and plex.
The others can say goodbye to EVE.
That's why a worldwide game which has run for a decade has only less than 60k PCU.
Go to see those massive PVP based MMOs that has 500k+ PCU and find out why they're so successful. EVE has a long way to go. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
446
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:22:00 -
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UddWilliam wrote:
Go to see those massive PVP based MMOs that has 500k+ PCU and find out why they're so successful. EVE has a long way to go.
Because none of those people stay around for 10 years.
If EVE is so terrible though, and you're in a hurry to eject, it's as simple as uninstalling the client. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
UddWilliam
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:41:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:UddWilliam wrote:
Go to see those massive PVP based MMOs that has 500k+ PCU and find out why they're so successful. EVE has a long way to go.
Because none of those people stay around for 10 years. If EVE is so terrible though, and you're in a hurry to eject, it's as simple as uninstalling the client.
Just like many players, playing it as skill training online.
I love EVE and keep eyes on it for years. It's a fancy game, for some part. But for a casual player, it's not that good.
EVE need voices. Don't be so hurry to kick me off. |
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Jeffrey Asher
Bunne
0
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:43:00 -
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UddWilliam wrote:UddWilliam wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Quote:New Players left out. Drones V is unfair. No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them. The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones. That means who buy more game time should have more skills. Pay, wait, and you win. Skill training online, good name for this. Newbie is just a dish for vets. Come, die and get out. Vets always has advantages, no matter isks, skills, game experience, social relationship. Who come earlier will win this game. The only two ways for newbies to win are : 1. they are much cleverer than vets 2. pay more money, for gametime and plex.
The others can say goodbye to EVE.
3. or they can stay, keep training in-game skills and learning player skills to survive, the latter often from the vast number of veterans I have found who are more than happy to help a newbie and dispense advice.
I'd die at the moment in almost any PVP situation I can think of, and will keep doing so for a while, but I hope to learn why and be on the winning side one day. I'd be bored stupid if all I had to do was go and pay some real-world money to buy a magic sword and I could then win against someone who had been playing for ages. Bleh, I'd rather feel like I've achieved something thanks. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4686
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:01:00 -
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Posting in a not-so-stealth probing skill change whine thread. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
UddWilliam
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:19:00 -
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Jeffrey Asher wrote:
3. or they can stay, keep training in-game skills and learning player skills to survive, the latter often from the vast number of veterans I have found who are more than happy to help a newbie and dispense advice.
I'd die at the moment in almost any PVP situation I can think of, and will keep doing so for a while, but I hope to learn why and be on the winning side one day. I'd be bored stupid if all I had to do was go and pay some real-world money to buy a magic sword and I could then win against someone who had been playing for ages. Bleh, I'd rather feel like I've achieved something thanks.
3=1+2 They are clever to learn, and pay enough gametime to learn enough skill.
So my key question is: Should EVE keep going on as a crazy toy for only a small group of people, or have some changes to welcome more potential players and make the game more colorful.
Those people you mentioned are only a small group of all potential players of EVE. Most players love sci-fic and pvp, but they don't have the responsibility to stay in this game and learn how to fight back those have unfair advantages. For most of them, they will just choose to play another game.
A game is a game. Forcing oneself to adapt to an unfair game mechanism is not playing a game, but being played by a game. If one is so strong then he should fufill his goal in real world, not to waste time playing games. |
stoicfaux
2834
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:23:00 -
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Is a troll post still a troll if the thread "degenerates" into meaningful discussion about a real topic that people have an interest in?
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2260
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:28:00 -
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UddWilliam wrote:
So my key question is: Should EVE keep going on as a crazy toy for only a small group of people, or have some changes to welcome more potential players and make the game more colorful.
And there it is. The standard "EVE would get so many more subs if" BS, which is based on the crazy idea that "more people = better experience".
What people liek this don't understand is that games like EVe have 2 choices: be a nice cozy upscale country club ....or be the freaking ghetto teaming with dumb people.
I've been in those bigger games, the communities were horrible. No thanks, i'll take my nice exclusive adult country club, you can have Xbox live...i mean the ghetto.
Quote: Those people you mentioned are only a small group of all potential players of EVE. Most players love sci-fic and pvp, but they don't have the responsibility to stay in this game and learn how to fight back those have unfair advantages. For most of them, they will just choose to play another game.
Man, were are missing out , we should get some of them irresponsible/impatient instant gratification kids up in here so EVE can be beautiful like the rest of gaming.....
Sarcasm aside, a REAL EVE player is someone who likes a CHALLENGE. Like how Goons came in, saw the established order and said "to hell with that" and toppled them......only to become the Established order themselves lol. But thats another thread
Quote:A game is a game. Forcing oneself to adapt to an unfair game mechanism is not playing a game, but being played by a game. If one is so strong then he should fufill his goal in real world, not to waste time playing games.
The door is that way------------------------------>
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AlphaOperative Altren
Alternative Rendition
9
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:34:00 -
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I would like 1 trillion isk & i feel i am disadvantaged against other players who have 1 trillion isk.
CCP should give me 1 trillion isk or i will leave Eve.
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
121
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:53:00 -
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Don't anyone tell the OP you use to be be able to field more than 5 drones at some time in EvE, he might really get mad then. |
Thaman Arnuad
Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild
0
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:55:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Quote:New Players left out. Drones V is unfair. No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them. The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.
The latest patch is propagating this idea of first rank of skill unlocks maximum item use and every level of the skill improves effectiveness.
I am referring to Astrometrics in case you don't follow. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
121
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:57:00 -
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Thaman Arnuad wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Quote:New Players left out. Drones V is unfair. No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them. The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones. The latest patch is propagating this idea of first rank of skill unlocks maximum item use and every level of the skill improves effectiveness. I am referring to Astrometrics in case you don't follow.
I haven't even used any probes since that change. |
AlphaOperative Altren
Alternative Rendition
9
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Posted - 2013.06.21 18:03:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Don't anyone tell the OP you use to be be able to field more than 5 drones at some time in EvE, he might really get mad then.
How about this, i was away from eve for a while and misread "Advanced Drone Interfacing". So, thinking id be able to field more i trained up. After a few weeks getting the skill up to 4, i came back to find it only works on carriers etc.
Eve doesnt forgive idiocy, a lesson i certainly learnt! |
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