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Fenris Purvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:01:00 -
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Hello! First off let me say that though some of what I have to say may come across as negative I am not raging or attempting to blast anything. The point of this thread is to just lay out my point of view and experiences so maybe I get some useful input or viable options to help change so be gentle with us newbies! Oh and I'm sorry for the wall. I didn't mean it to turn out that way so sorry.
I have been playing Eve for about...2 months of so. Not long to be sure. Definitely not long enough to even have the faintest idea of what lies in the darker corners of space. That, however is kind of the point of this thread. But first, a bit of history. When I first started EvE I figured out in the first day or so that this was not a game you could grind to level with. That didn't particularly bother me. I banged through all of the tutorial and career agent missions in short order and set off on my adventures into the great voids of space. Me being a bit a research nut led me to have an understanding about low sec and null etc. So no accidentally wandering into 0.0 for me! Nope. I determined that high sec seemed a bit to kosher for me. Ive always played on PVP servers in every other MMO I have ever played.
I knew that I couldn't do much to help in a big 0.0 fleet brawl ( zero actually) so I figured to get into 0.0, make money, and have a place I could get to know people I should go miner to start. So I used the corp finder, tracked down the biggest 0.0 mining corp I could, app'd and zoomed off to null in my little venture. Big mistake. I made the assumption that I would have the opportunity to at least tag along on fleet ops from time to time in my little tackle Rifter. Could I save the day? Hardly. Could I so SOMETHING? Maybe. The reality of the that assumption would be summed up to me quite clearly in short order. Not welcome. I showed up at every CTA and posted roam in my little Rifter only to be sent packing by the FC. Cant fly a Battleship? Go home.
The problem with going home was that our little mining system kept getting invaded by PL. Sweet! Lets go kill him *runs for his Rifter* NOPE, MUST STAY DOCKED, CORP RULE. Sigh. One clown in a cov-ops camped it for ever and mercilessly hot dropped anyone foolish enough to undock. The corps answer? Dock up and hide. The alliance's answer, you know, the guys who's ships my corp built for free with the minerals we mined non-stop was some where between "meh" and "oh well". Eventually I had enough of staying docked for days while one guy held an entire alliance's production chain hostage. It was boring. So, I packed up my little Rifter and headed back to Jita. After that I discovered I could have SOME fun by running the gauntlet to and from Jita to my home system carrying BPC's, BPO's and skill books for corp mates. My alliance had a lovely gate camp almost perma-setup at a major choke point into null and I tried to join that with my little Rifter but alas... Go home. Then the Eve mails started coming in. "Were keeping track of who is mining what and who is fulfilling our needs and who is not". Now, I get this. The chain needs food. But why would I sit around ducking in and out of dock mining my little rear off (BORING) to provide ships to guys who wont even come defend us? I don't know, but those mails suddenly made me feel like I was paying my monthly so other guys could go have fun on my back and I was stuck in some odd form of digital slavery. Thus the inevitable... I quit the corp.
Thus began the next section of my short saga. PVE content. I spent the next few weeks grinding up my standings to get access to higher level missions. Now, I'm maybe a day from level 4's. Not going to happen though. Gods that was boring too. I wanted to fight! Not shoot lasers at rocks or missiles at unthinking bots. The missions were fun enough, except it seemed like every time I deployed a drone it got shot instantly. My solution? I clearly needed to fly something bigger! So, with a bit of focused training, some PLEX, and a bit of research I landed myself a pretty faction fit CNR. Now, I KNOW my support skills blow and I have no business in such a ship and blah blah blah. Yeah, got it. But, since I'm paying for it, and playing alone who cares?
That lasted a bit. Then, the final month. I haven't undocked in about 30 days. Why bother? I sit for hours watching the recruitment channel looking for a corp I can go pew with that doesn't seem like a handful of weirdos, douche bags or elitist monkeys trying to get rich off the corp tax. Plenty come up too but its always the same..."15m sp min" "40m SP min". Sigh. I tried with a couple and even had one tell me over TS to drop hundreds of dollars in PLEX and buy a good high SP char from the bazaar THEN they would be happy take me. !@#$%^&&* I'm not going to spend that kind of money on a game I haven't even been able to determine if I like it or not!
Its the ultimate catch 22. I don't care if I die but I'm not into replacing 50 mil in implants every time, and it seems very clear due to the top heavy nature of the player base on SP that I'm not going anywhere without them for my first 6ish months. RvB? Yeah, not replacing the implants. Ah but I'll jump clone! Nope. 24 hour CD. I just do not understand what is so horrible about having a newbie in your mighty 0.0 fleet. Oh, I see, I will negatively impact your shiny efficiency rating due to frequently dying from lack of skills that I can not do anything about but keep training and lack of skill in general because I'm new. I have referred 5 people to this game now but I tell all of them. "Sign up, pay your fee, do the tutorial and career missions then quit for the next 6 months except to log in and refresh your training que because no one wants you expect to mine for them" Of course none of them listened. Now? 3 have quit and 2 are doing the same thing I am. Thus the point of view of a handful of newbies. EvE will be fun...one day. |
DRGaius Baltar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:04:00 -
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TLDR |
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
495
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:09:00 -
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faction warfare is great for frigate / cruiser combat. mostly frigates.
join the militia and find a corp while there.
red vs. blue is great too if they're still around.
Recruitment channel is the worst place to find a corporation.
Don't give up, what you seek is out there. and it's as much fun as you imagine it could be. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
- Qolde |
cowdensno1 lee
Hartmann Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:17:00 -
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What times are you on mate? Im about a month in and could use a wee bit company doing missions And seriously, some older guys take this way too serious and treat new guys like skivys and slaves. It scares away new players. New players keep eve alive. No new players? No eve in short order. But of course if you have played 2yrs 3mths for example youve earned that 'right' See you in space :D |
Fenris Purvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:20:00 -
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DRGaius Baltar wrote:TLDR
I apologize profusely for testing the limitations of your gnat like attention span. |
Fenris Purvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:21:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote:faction warfare is great for frigate / cruiser combat. mostly frigates.
join the militia and find a corp while there.
red vs. blue is great too if they're still around.
Recruitment channel is the worst place to find a corporation.
Don't give up, what you seek is out there. and it's as much fun as you imagine it could be.
This was inspiring I figured I would get slammed by trolls and people yelling at me to get off their lawn lol. |
Fenris Purvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:21:00 -
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cowdensno1 lee wrote:What times are you on mate? Im about a month in and could use a wee bit company doing missions And seriously, some older guys take this way too serious and treat new guys like skivys and slaves. It scares away new players. New players keep eve alive. No new players? No eve in short order. But of course if you have played 2yrs 3mths for example youve earned that 'right' See you in space :D
I usually on since I work from home. As a result I tend to keep the client logged in a good chunk of the day. |
Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
80
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:22:00 -
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The tone of your post doesn't really come across as "just laying down your experiences", but ok.
Your experience sounds like it comes down to "Can't find the right group of guys to fly with". Joining the wrong type of corporation in the first case, and relying too much on the recruitment channel in the second. I've taken a look in the channel - and it's reminiscent of a cesspool, you're not going to find the people of your choice there. Try settling into / solo flying around in lowsec/nullsec/wormhole space for a bit, chat up the locals, introduce yourself, get to know them. The type of guys you're trying to fly with generally won't be the type to advertise all over the forums and the recruitment channel. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
803
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:24:00 -
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Fenris Purvanen wrote:Interesting point of view
However, I can safely tell you you got no luck on your first corp/alliance, that happened and still happens to everyone around. You can't assume all your corp/alliance experiences will be the same just because the recruitment tool lead you to "x" or "y" whatever corp/alliance that is no good.
Newbbies are awesome in fleets, you put a couple of those with more experienced players camping the gates while the large group is doing stuff and newbbies will die a lot but they'll do tons of important stuff, PIN DOW the pesky badies !! They don't need to make bazillion isk a month so taxes get in, they need to learn the game first and this means help them get the bases of pvp, give them free frigates so they can die again and again and again and still come back to the fight "x" jumps away.
Often those newbies get nice rewards from FC's or players because they did a good job, it's so dam fun to get newbies in your fleet (the moment they learn to listen and stop blahblahing all the time). Some bad corp/alliance doesn't like them or can't make them play and get the game I'd say it's nice !! -they're creating their own future enemies and I WILL help them get their revenge at some point, some isk and motivation: think how hard you will kick them in the nuts when you'll pin down one of their caps worth billions isk, sweet revenge is sweet.l *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Lexmana
968
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:26:00 -
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Militia is where you should go. Frigs and destroyers are the most used ship there. |
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Psychotic Monk
NEMESIS INCORPORATED
1271
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:30:00 -
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I'm sorry to hear that, dude. Keep your chin up. There are good outfits out there, they're just hard to find. [url]http://belligerentundesirables.com/[/url] |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
232
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:33:00 -
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Fenris Purvanen wrote:I knew that I couldn't do much to help in a big 0.0 fleet brawl ( zero actually) so I figured to get into 0.0, make money, and have a place I could get to know people I should go miner to start. So I used the corp finder, tracked down the biggest 0.0 mining corp I could, app'd and zoomed off to null in my little venture. Big mistake. I made the assumption that I would have the opportunity to at least tag along on fleet ops from time to time in my little tackle Rifter. Could I save the day? Hardly. Could I so SOMETHING? Maybe. The reality of the that assumption would be summed up to me quite clearly in short order. Not welcome. I showed up at every CTA and posted roam in my little Rifter only to be sent packing by the FC. Cant fly a Battleship? Go home.
EQII and WoW heroic raid guild mentality. Sure join our guild, but if you want to raid with us come skilled and geared.
That reminder in EvE is upsetting.
"Oh, oh...you can get in a dessie in a day and fly roams!!!"
And waste time dying without the support skills. And being new, don't have the side income to support getting 2mil ships like candy, because as a newb you are cannon fodder (the corps that do accept newbies, don't tend to have ship replacements even on fleet roams, so until you get over 5mil in SP, you're SoL -- and that's IF they trust you enough to offer one). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1929
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:34:00 -
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Your old corp sucks. Name and shame please. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Garresh
Team Chicken and Waffles
256
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:39:00 -
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Here's a little secret: eve isn't that difficult to play, as long as you do your research and account for risks. Since you're already doing that, you are 100% solo capable right now. Instead of playing on their terms, play on your own. Join faction warfare and fight in frigates. Or use your knowledge you gained from ferrying bpcs through a warzone to do exploration. Or hauling to null hubs in NPC sov space. Regardless, stop trying to play the corp game. Everyone I see burn out does so because they're playing someone else's game. You did fine by yourself...why do you need them?
Plus the characters and stories you make wandering solo are hilarious. I was down in red alliance space trying the new exploration sites, and me and another explorer wounds up in the same site. He had a roaming PvP fleet two jumps out. I got talking and someone got friendly in the span of 2 minutes so he didn't gank me despite having 500 mil in my cargo hold. I repaid him by teaching him the nuances of the system, and hacking the can for him since my skills were better. We split the loot.
That isn't even that uncommon. I make friends(and enemies) constantly in null and lowsec, either through good fights in faction warfare, or just hilarious happenstance or the amusing conflict of interest. Either way, solo does NOT mean solitary. You still need to be very social to make the most of things, be it networking with the locals, setting up ad hoc agreements over an exploration site, or attempting to trade Intel with those you cross paths with.
Highsec is exempt from the solo rule unless you're a social miner, ninja, pirate, or merc. Most pve content in high sec is just boring, and you'll never cross paths with another player. No conflict or cooperation. Unless you're powergaming in industry or actively in the corp building business, you will get bored in high sec.
Edit: I'm about to go to bed, but contact me tomorrow. I don't really fly with others unless I'm in the area, as I move around constantly, but I would be more than happy to provide some advice on some of the less well documented sides of eve. I like snatching new players up before they get sucked into the morass of the blob mentality. There are good corps out there, but they're far and few. Anyways, you sound like a promising soloist so hit me up. This Space Intentionally Left Blank |
Fenris Purvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:44:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:I'm sorry to hear that, dude. Keep your chin up. There are good outfits out there, they're just hard to find.
Thanks Monk. I actually JUST saw you talking in the recruitment channel like 30 seconds ago. You always say your looking for a "guild" and its funny watching all the feathers get ruffled. They rush to call you a noob and then look at the name and ....... |
Garresh
Team Chicken and Waffles
256
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:45:00 -
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Fenris Purvanen wrote:Psychotic Monk wrote:I'm sorry to hear that, dude. Keep your chin up. There are good outfits out there, they're just hard to find. Thanks Monk. I actually JUST saw you talking in the recruitment channel like 30 seconds ago. You always say your looking for a "guild" and its funny watching all the feathers get ruffled. They rush to call you a noob and then look at the name and .......
Psychotic monk is good people. His reputation precedes him. This Space Intentionally Left Blank |
Fenris Purvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:46:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Your old corp sucks. Name and shame please.
They were not bad guys and ran a successful outfit, it just was not for me. They were never assholes to me, we just did not see eye to eye. |
cowdensno1 lee
Hartmann Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:47:00 -
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Im in Osmeden (0.7). im usually on 5-10ish GMT mon to friday. Im doing mostly security missions at level III for now Look me up if your interested :D
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Cass Lie
State War Academy Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:49:00 -
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I will just say that you had bad luck going into null. It sounds like you didn't join a particularly newbie friendly organisation (which makes me wonder why they recruited you in the first place) that was quite bad to top it off. Also, joining while getting invaded by PL is pretty much the worst time possible. Not all null alliances are like that however, some of them offer plenty of support for their newbies.
That said, I second the FW suggestion. Plenty of small gang cruiser sized warfare, good isk to be made even by a newer player, no do or die CTAs. |
Fenris Purvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:55:00 -
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Cass Lie wrote:I will just say that you had bad luck going into null. It sounds like you didn't join a particularly newbie friendly organisation (which makes me wonder why they recruited you in the first place) that was quite bad to top it off. Also, joining while getting invaded by PL is pretty much the worst time possible. Not all null alliances are like that however, some of them offer plenty of support for their newbies.
That said, I second the FW suggestion. Plenty of small gang cruiser sized warfare, good isk to be made even by a newer player, no do or die CTAs.
Probably.
My problem with FW as I understand it is that 1. I WILL die thus loosing my implants yet again and more importantly 2. I will loose faction standings with other empires to the point I will get blown up even attempting to leave Caldari space. Maybe I'm wrong? |
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Garresh
Team Chicken and Waffles
256
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Posted - 2013.06.08 08:00:00 -
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It takes a long time to get banned from a region through fw. Also implant loss is exceedingly rare. All my implant losses in few were because of lag or stupidity, and that's only like 2 poddings in 3 years of living in lowsec. Either way, its the sort of thing you can back out of at any time. Set your own schedule, play how you want. It opens doors, not closes them. This Space Intentionally Left Blank |
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
215
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Posted - 2013.06.08 08:08:00 -
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Fenris Purvanen wrote:Cass Lie wrote:I will just say that you had bad luck going into null. It sounds like you didn't join a particularly newbie friendly organisation (which makes me wonder why they recruited you in the first place) that was quite bad to top it off. Also, joining while getting invaded by PL is pretty much the worst time possible. Not all null alliances are like that however, some of them offer plenty of support for their newbies.
That said, I second the FW suggestion. Plenty of small gang cruiser sized warfare, good isk to be made even by a newer player, no do or die CTAs. Probably. My problem with FW as I understand it is that 1. I WILL die thus loosing my implants yet again and more importantly 2. I will loose faction standings with other empires to the point I will get blown up even attempting to leave Caldari space. Maybe I'm wrong?
You know about jump clones? (Use one with no or cheap implants, besides, FW is lowsec, and you don't lose your capsule that often in lowsec - no bubbles).
You will lose some faction standing, so if that is a big issue, I'd suggest joining ...
- RvB. They sound right up your alley. All they care about is a lot of good fights, they are very newbie friendly, as long as the newbie wants to learn and fly spaceships - which you seem to do. (RvB = Red vs Blue. two highsec corps in perpetual war, when threatened by third parties, they join up = Purple and beat the crap out of them)
- Brave Newbies They do not care about anything but losing their spaceships and killing others while doing so. (recruitment video)
- If you want a more thorough and methodical approach, the traditional way would be Eve University. They hold classes, have a lowsec camp where you can get your hands dirty or you join their fleets for an introduction to big fleets (I prefer their lowsec approach over their blob fleets though). You can learn a lot from their wiki and esp. their class library even if you aren't a member.
Have fun, you do have the right attitude and I think with all of the three above, you'll be around for a long while. |
Fenris Purvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.06.08 08:31:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Fenris Purvanen wrote:Interesting point of view However, I can safely tell you you got no luck on your first corp/alliance, that happened and still happens to everyone around. You can't assume all your corp/alliance experiences will be the same just because the recruitment tool lead you to "x" or "y" whatever corp/alliance that is no good. Newbbies are awesome in fleets, you put a couple of those with more experienced players camping the gates while the large group is doing stuff and newbbies will die a lot but they'll do tons of important stuff, PIN DOW the pesky badies !! They don't need to make bazillion isk a month so taxes get in, they need to learn the game first and this means help them get the bases of pvp, give them free frigates so they can die again and again and again and still come back to the fight "x" jumps away. Often those newbies get nice rewards from FC's or players because they did a good job, it's so dam fun to get newbies in your fleet (the moment they learn to listen and stop blahblahing all the time). Some bad corp/alliance doesn't like them or can't make them play and get the game I'd say it's nice !! -they're creating their own future enemies and I WILL help them get their revenge at some point, some isk and motivation: think how hard you will kick them in the nuts when you'll pin down one of their caps worth billions isk, sweet revenge is sweet.l
Lol now where were YOU when I was corp hunting.
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Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
97
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Posted - 2013.06.08 08:32:00 -
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You're out there. That's a good thing.
Don't take **** from anyone. If they tell you you can't join ops as low skill as a ******* gate camp and make you mine instead, tell them to go **** themselves. I would. |
Amitious Turkey
The Red Circle Inc.
118
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Posted - 2013.06.08 08:36:00 -
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Sevastian Liao wrote:The tone of your post doesn't really come across as "just laying down your experiences", but ok.
Your experience sounds like it comes down to "Can't find the right group of guys to fly with". Joining the wrong type of corporation in the first case, and relying too much on the recruitment channel in the second. I've taken a look in the channel - and it's reminiscent of a cesspool, you're not going to find the people of your choice there. Try settling into / solo flying around in lowsec/nullsec/wormhole space for a bit, chat up the locals, introduce yourself, get to know them. The type of guys you're trying to fly with generally won't be the type to advertise all over the forums and the recruitment channel.
Oh, you might get still blown up a couple times in the process though. So that's probably not going to change. Some of them might actually invite you to join them only after your ship/pod's a smoking wreck.
This tbh. I only found the guys I'm currently flying with after time spent flying in wormholes. Spent a whole month living by myself in a C2 in only a Typhoon, it was great. Since I couldn't find the right guys to fly with (until now), I decided to forge my own path, and ended up with guys with similar interests. I once scared a newb spitless by er...sneaking up to him and bumping him. I was in an uncloaked drake from 50 km away. Admittedly, I had disguised myself by naming my ship after a planet in system. I then provided useful links to wormhole exploration and dscan/overview stuff to show what he did wrong. Since he took it well, I invited him to explore whenever he wanted another guy to watch his back. I would have done the same to that Tornado I caught mining in that C2 I lived in, but...he never gave me the chance
I have been on the other end of the barrel as well, when I was a newb. Can flipping. Oh, joy. But the guys were polite and showed me what I had done wrong. It's something we've all gone through...it's a sort of initiation.
I will agree that the SP req is ridiculous for a certain number of corps out there, but they usually do that because they're looking for dedicated players and the easiest way to tell is by the SP amount (at least on the surface). Some, like my corp, want to ensure that you can participate in the fun stuff-- that's why they require you to be able to fly at least a t3 for example (exceptions exist because we sometimes find people we like and are sure will benefit our fun).
I'd like to do fun stuff with newbies, but sometimes that simply can't happen. This is changing, however, like with the changes in scanning and probes. Just today I got to spend time ninja mining with a friend. I have 800k sp on him (and I was playing my alt), but we could still engage in ninja mining together in wormholes. All because CCP changed the system and the skills, woohoo! (I could have done the same with Amitious, my main, but he is stuck deep in wh space atm)
On another note... Sometimes people will tell you not to undock and engage because the corp can't take the losses in a lengthy or committed engagement. Other times (and this might be more applicable in your case) it may be because the war they're fighting is an unwilling war and more losses encourages the other side to continually wardec you, preventing you from access to hisec trade hubs. TRECI (my corp) has been involved in that sort of thing before. As much as we want to pew, our pew would be much less fun if we had no way to replace our ships!
I'd highly encourage you to check out Eve University. Once you're finished with them, the smart corps will want you. TRECI has taken UNI grads (I think about 70% of our number is UNI grads actually), and we teach classes on wormhole dwelling and such as well. I think we've even done field trips for curious newbies
Moneta Curran wrote:You're out there. That's a good thing.
Don't take **** from anyone. If they tell you you can't join ops as low skill as a ******* gate camp and make you mine instead, tell them to go **** themselves. I would.
And this. Truth. I like to lick things.
Haunting the forums since 03. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1931
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:54:00 -
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Fenris Purvanen wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Your old corp sucks. Name and shame please. They were not bad guys and ran a successful outfit, it just was not for me. They were never assholes to me, we just did not see eye to eye. Their corp policy is to actively discourage new players from trying out anything fun or different other than mining and cowering in a station from hostiles. They've pushed you, and doubtless other recruits, from 'excited wide-eyed newbie' to 'bored of Eve and reconsidering their subscription'. They are, in their petty and selfish attitudes, actively damaging the game by driving away the lifeblood of new players by making them think that Eve is a game about F1'ing a rock whilst AFK and running away whenever other players show up.
They may not have called you names or blown up your ship, but that doesn't mean they don't suck. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
295
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Posted - 2013.06.08 19:19:00 -
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Red VS Blue sounds perfect for you. Pure pvp day in and day out. No politics, just pew pew. They don't teach you how to pvp, but you learn the ropes very quick and are sure to find someone who wouldn't mind taking some time off and helping you out. No need to worry about podding in RvB, as it is not allowed. They run fleets almost all day and a hero rifter is always welcome. Just keep your head held high, your hand on your F1 key, and make sh!t go boom.
Edit: they also have a "noob fleet" program in which they gather as many newbros as possible and hold special little events for them with awesome rewards (faction frigates, ship packages, etc...) I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Haulie Berry
992
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Posted - 2013.06.08 19:36:00 -
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Yup, you found yourself in a ****** alliance. It happens.
You probably could have avoided a lot of frustration if you had just come to the forum sooner. Definitely check out faction war, Brave Newbies, Red Vs Blue, etc.
Also, don't pay too much attention to SP requirements in corp recruitment. It's very common that they are not a hard and fast rule, and many corps will waive that requirement for a new player with a good attitude. |
Garresh
Team Chicken and Waffles
259
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Posted - 2013.06.08 20:13:00 -
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Seriously who were these guys? I need names. They need a good hard dickslapping. This Space Intentionally Left Blank |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
364
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Posted - 2013.06.08 20:17:00 -
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First off - I love motivated newbies. Having FW experience I think that's the best entry point for a PvP interested player. It allows you to get small gang fights in small ship classes while offering a way to generate significant income that's very newbie friendly.
Speaking from said experience I say that attitude is far more important than SP or EVE-Experience. The later two will come on their own if the attitude is there, but neither time spent in the game nor SP grow attitude. Willingness to light **** on fire, ability to deal with setbacks and the eagerness to improve yourself and help your fellow corp/alliancemates is most important. In the proper outfit, it will get reciprocated. We are, for example, requiring a newbie to spend about 2-3 days of training before putting the into our AK-47 style condors the alliance provides, and bang - they're fit for action.
When hunting for a corp I think you should look at your interests, and not just the best way to get there. If you're into industry, pve or pvp first is most important.
Having said that, I wish you good luck with hunting for a corp. :) Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2575
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Posted - 2013.06.08 21:14:00 -
[31] - Quote
OP... hop into a jump clone and blitz into low-sec. Yes... you'll train slower (like... 10, 15% slower) but it's better than being afraid and you'll gain good experience from it. And with that experience you gain you'll learn how to get your pod out when you lose your ships... and then you can go back to using your implants again full time.
I personally fly around low-sec with a billion ISK implant set in my head. Haven't lost it in about a year.
As for skillpoint restrictions when apply for corps... ignore it. They're there to scare off the general rabble. If you talk to a recruiter, diplomat, director, CEO, etc. and show that you have a good working foundation of EVE's mechanics and a good mentality... you'll be accepted without much fuss.
Those that DO turn you away based on skillpoint restrictions are corps you didn't want to join anyways.
As for the FC that kicked you away from a fleet-op because you couldn't fly a battleship... he was an idiot. Every ship counts... even a newbie's frigate. Hell... you could have been more useful than those battleships when sitting on gates. You can catch the odd cruiser or destroyer that passes by while they can't. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Demica Diaz
The Scope Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.06.08 21:21:00 -
[32] - Quote
Good read OP, it seems you have bigger balls than your 0.0 corp haha. I hope you find your place in EVE, dont give up and never take **** from anyone. This is game after all, ignore those EVE mongoloids who think its real life simulator. |
Rexxorr
Zero Corp Tax
38
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Posted - 2013.06.08 21:32:00 -
[33] - Quote
Red VS Blue, sounds like thats the place you want to be, they are in a constant state of war, fly cheap ships and take most anyone willing to undock for a fight. They don't pod each other as a general rule.
Good Luck |
Silivar Karkun
Electronic Research Team Ing
34
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Posted - 2013.06.08 21:33:00 -
[34] - Quote
for the OP, i know that feel bro, first time i got in the game joined a corp for Red Alliance, bad decision, while i have respect for the russians, my corp was as boring as what you describe, neutral in local?, docked all day, mining?, lol nope, go kill x rats until you have enough money to pay a bigger ship with better modules.
y preferred to start anew with this account and stay in high sec, i learned a lot from this game since then, planning to leave empire space someday, when CCP make it worth it. |
Thur Khagah
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.09 00:43:00 -
[35] - Quote
First of all, welcome to EvE. That Universe needs new players like you i think, people who are willing to go out there, learn, ask the right questions, and aren't afraid to loose a few ships to have fun. So don't you dare to give up yet, there is still hope. Forget about the big 0.0 Alliances for the moment, what you need is a quick fix of fun, and a demonstration of the possibility EvE holds for a promising young Pilot like you.
So, several people already suggested FW and RvB to you, and i really think that's just the right thing for you to do right now. That doesn't even say you have to stop watching for a corp that recruits, you can for example drop out of RvB whenever you feel like. And until then you don't sit on a station, watch the channels and be bored, you're out there, flying your rifter with and against others, hunt the alone or in groups, watch your inexpensive little frigs go up in flames again and again, but you'll have fun.
Really, in my opinion there is no downside for you in going out there and try it. |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
576
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Posted - 2013.06.09 01:22:00 -
[36] - Quote
You're letting your implants ruin your fun.
I know, it was liberating to run w/o them myself for a time when smartbombing BSes and caps were a problem in my area.
But you're least likely to lose them in RvB as there is a no podding policy and unless you just sit there and someone makes a mistake, it shouldn't happen.
And people have explained jump clones...and all you need is a couple +3s. I don't understand why you don't want to run your level 4s if Isk is a problem, but whatever, as long as you have self-sufficiency covered.
Otherwise, there are other corps that would take you that you may like, be it Null or FW or otherwise, but obtaining a solid basic PvP foundation will minimize your losses and increase your chances for success and accommodate your implant concerns.
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
608
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Posted - 2013.06.09 01:53:00 -
[37] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Your old corp sucks. Name and shame please.
This. You don't owe them anything. They suck and have no business outside of highsec. Post their name here so that others may avoid the waste of time that you experienced.
CVA isn't hard to infiltrate, ere I mean join. In game CVA-diplo chat channel. Brave newbies is a great outfit for new guys. Test and Goons have awesome intro programs but you have to join through their oog forums, Reddit, and Something awful respectively. Eve university is also excellent, they have a long interview process but really its worth it.
You have fallen prey to carebears, fear not, it is easily remedied. And you will feel much better after having ganked a few dozen of them.
I think I'm heading back to Youtube for a while -á-á http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7eWSo9GV70 |
Psychotic Monk
NEMESIS INCORPORATED
1274
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Posted - 2013.06.09 01:59:00 -
[38] - Quote
They don't have business inside highsec either. [url]http://belligerentundesirables.com/[/url] |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
240
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Posted - 2013.06.09 02:00:00 -
[39] - Quote
Fenris Purvanen wrote:DRGaius Baltar wrote:TLDR I apologize profusely for testing the limitations of your gnat like attention span.
Well you have shittalking at level 5 I see so you'll do ok. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
608
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Posted - 2013.06.09 02:04:00 -
[40] - Quote
Psychotic Monk wrote:They don't have business inside highsec either. Target
I think I'm heading back to Youtube for a while -á-á http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7eWSo9GV70 |
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Zappity
Kurved Space
115
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Posted - 2013.06.09 02:05:00 -
[41] - Quote
Fenris Purvanen wrote:Cass Lie wrote:I will just say that you had bad luck going into null. It sounds like you didn't join a particularly newbie friendly organisation (which makes me wonder why they recruited you in the first place) that was quite bad to top it off. Also, joining while getting invaded by PL is pretty much the worst time possible. Not all null alliances are like that however, some of them offer plenty of support for their newbies.
That said, I second the FW suggestion. Plenty of small gang cruiser sized warfare, good isk to be made even by a newer player, no do or die CTAs. Probably. My problem with FW as I understand it is that 1. I WILL die thus loosing my implants yet again and more importantly 2. I will loose faction standings with other empires to the point I will get blown up even attempting to leave Caldari space. Maybe I'm wrong?
FW lowsec regions are the answer. Pirate if you can afford it (more targets) or join FW if you can't (good isk).
About losing your pod: this is lowsec so unless you travel in your pod and run into a smart bombing ship your pod losses should be rare.
You will lose your T1 frig or dessie a lot but just make sure you align when you hit structure and spam Warp To. No bubbles to ruin your day. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Silivar Karkun
Electronic Research Team Ing
35
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Posted - 2013.06.09 03:31:00 -
[42] - Quote
going a bit intromissive with the OP but people have asked to know which corp was (im prepared for getting flamed).
this was the corp acording to its employment history:
Mordu's Military Industrial Command
and it belonged to the following alliance:
Circle-Of-Two
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darmwand
Repo.
134
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Posted - 2013.06.09 04:19:00 -
[43] - Quote
As pretty much everyone else has already said, don't let people tell you what you or cannot do. This is a game and it should be about fun, not about pleasing your alliance leadership.
If ISK is really an issue then I would strongly recommend FW. I'm not personally doing that but I hear the ISK is pretty good plus when you sit in those plexes PvP will find you. At first you will lose a bunch of ships but the ISK from running the plexes should easily cover the losses. Just don't fit warp core stabs or I'll personally come over there and hunt your capsule
On the other hand, if you have some means to make ISK you may want to try solo / small gang piracy in low-sec. You get to roam around and shoot anything that moves (well, mostly). As long as you can fly a frigate, shoot at things and are willing to learn you should have no trouble finding a good corp to help you get started. darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |
Fenris Purvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.06.09 05:47:00 -
[44] - Quote
I wanted to thank you all. When I wrote the OP I was expecting to get hammered by trolls. Instead I got a lot of support. Im going to wait another couple weeks to finish some long haul trains and look into RvB and null FW and once I loose my implants oh well. Due to being new and making some poor skilling choices in a hope of being able to fly with the fleet of my original alliance I way over stretched my self. So now I'm going back and really pouring it into support skills. I made an alt too so I can pursue multiple options at once. So if anyone finds themselves in need of a T2 fit interceptor of AF or even an Interdictor...drop me a line. For now, I'm out prowling low sec in a little hookbill looking for my first kill. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
661
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Posted - 2013.06.09 06:19:00 -
[45] - Quote
Many people will be helpful on the forums when its a new player asking for help, and your post did not really come across as whining or similar, more frustrated and i think many can relate to how you were feeling.
I know you said in your last post you are interested in rejoining your old alliance, but if you change your mind i would advice you to read over this thread (also a wall of text ), since it might guide you and help you avoid ending up in a similar situation in the future.
Good luck and happy to see your sticking around even if you had a rough start Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
110
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Posted - 2013.06.09 06:44:00 -
[46] - Quote
That is a good thread. I've read it before. Thank you for writing it. To the OP, I hope things better for you soon. Your story saddens me. You were used. Not even seen as a human being. I think that sucks. You deserve better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Garresh
Team Chicken and Waffles
264
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Posted - 2013.06.09 08:05:00 -
[47] - Quote
Eve players are many things, but we're pretty protective of our newbs if they've got the right mindset. Especially when they're being taught wrong by people who fail at eve.
Make your own path. Answer to no one.(but don't be afraid to ask more experienced players for pointers) This Space Intentionally Left Blank |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
804
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Posted - 2013.06.09 09:07:00 -
[48] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Your old corp sucks. Name and shame please.
This!!
OP
They do not deserve to be in Null sec or whatever other place in Eve. Those deserve to get perma camp/wardec and get the crap out out of them.
As for you request about corp/alliance names, just take a close look at your thread you'll see a lot of those newbie friendly corp/alliances even if most of our gaming time we kick each others ass, but heh, it's where the fun is in Eve.
Time for revenge dear noobie, set your goals do your researches (takes some dedication and thinking) make your choice and go for it, if don't succeed or find the one that sticks to your goals asap don't bother, it's ok, just gives you more targets to asskick later, restart until you feel "home" and at that point you'll already have one of the best assets in Eve:lots of jerks to kill *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Fenris Purvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2013.06.09 09:11:00 -
[49] - Quote
NightCrawler 85 wrote: I know you said in your last post you are interested in rejoining your old alliance
I whaaaaatttt.... Im pretty sure a misread or mistype has happened here as I would not rejoin if you held a gun to my head.
The article was nice though |
Fenris Purvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2013.06.09 09:15:00 -
[50] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Your old corp sucks. Name and shame please. This!! OP They do not deserve to be in Null sec or whatever other place in Eve. Those deserve to get perma camp/wardec and get the crap out out of them. As for you request about corp/alliance names, just take a close look at your thread you'll see a lot of those newbie friendly corp/alliances even if most of our gaming time we kick each others ass, but heh, it's where the fun is in Eve. Time for revenge dear newbie, set your goals do your researches (takes some dedication and thinking) make your choice and go for it, if don't succeed or find the one that sticks to your goals asap don't bother, it's ok, just gives you more targets to asskick later, restart until you feel "home" and at that point you'll already have one of the best assets in Eve:lots of jerks to kill
Lol I thought about it for a bit but realized that there were plenty of people (admittedly a bit drone like, even on voice chat lol) that the quotas and such worked for. I am just not one of them. They answered my questions when I did have them and didn't do anything horrible to me. It was just a system and setup I was not compatible with on any level.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
215
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Posted - 2013.06.09 09:18:00 -
[51] - Quote
People have said this before, but your old corp were mentally handicapped.
Someone suggested RvB, they are epic. Brave Newbies is also epic.
Here is a tip for you though. Implants are awesome, yes. But if you are too scared of losing them then you get to the point where you might as well be playing EVE just for the skills. Or just paying for a year of the game before you actually play.
The first thing, though. You made a good choice asking about this on the forums rather than just ragequitting. Whatever else EVE might be, you can usually find people willing to give you the right advice.
Secondly, stick to it.
Third, there are plenty of wimps out there. Once you find the right kind of people, don't get sucked back in with the wussies. Play the game the way that it's fun. Getting obsessed with sustaining no losses is the path to losing without even playing. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Gordon Esil
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
31
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Posted - 2013.06.09 09:24:00 -
[52] - Quote
FW would be nice thing for you Many newbie friendly corps there, you can join, or just sit solo there blowing up your ships and see how it goes for you |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
24
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Posted - 2013.06.09 10:22:00 -
[53] - Quote
Fenris Purvanen wrote:My problem with FW as I understand it is that 1. I WILL die thus loosing my implants yet again and more importantly 2. I will loose faction standings with other empires to the point I will get blown up even attempting to leave Caldari space. Maybe I'm wrong?
You WILL lose your ship but not every time will you get podkilled if you're smart and keep dotlan open. Most of the time in low sec you will be able to save your implants if you align and hammer the "warp to" button on your keyboard so hard the letter flakes off. As long as you're making the isk to replace those implants it's not so bad losing them to a smartbomb every once in a while.
So then the only worry is faction standings. You can roam allied space also not just Caldari.
Check out my corp if you're interested in grouping for highsec missions and incursions (boring missions are a LOT more fun with others) with a bit of lowsec pvp roaming thrown in. Think they'd love to have another pvper along, and they took me in as a noob. Actually Slick locked me and tried to ransom and when I said "what isk? hahaha like I have isk xD" he offered his corp and tons of advice. xD
Otherwise, I hear good things about BNI, RvB and E-UNI constantly. |
Zimmy Zeta
Red Federation RvB - Red Federation
22298
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Posted - 2013.06.09 10:27:00 -
[54] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Fenris Purvanen wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Your old corp sucks. Name and shame please. They were not bad guys and ran a successful outfit, it just was not for me. They were never assholes to me, we just did not see eye to eye. Their corp policy is to actively discourage new players from trying out anything fun or different other than mining and cowering in a station from hostiles. They've pushed you, and doubtless other recruits, from 'excited wide-eyed newbie' to 'bored of Eve and reconsidering their subscription'. They are, in their petty and selfish attitudes, actively damaging the game by driving away the lifeblood of new players by making them think that Eve is a game about F1'ing a rock whilst AFK and running away whenever other players show up. They may not have called you names or blown up your ship, but that doesn't mean they don't suck.
This.
Also I feel sorry for you, OP, since most of the new players (myself included) made similar experiences, i.e. joining a corp that cares more about f*cking killboard efficiency than for it's new members. Those corps are bad corps, led by bad people. No Stockholm syndrome, please- your corp was bad and it deserves to be wiped off the face of the galaxy. Keeping newbies from playing the game is maybe the single most harmful thing corps can do to Eve, since without new players, this game will eventually die.
For future reference, if a corp tells your either to stay docked or "you can't do X, you are too young" you have two choices:
1. Leave the corp immediately. 2. Steal everything you can, kill as many barges and industrials as time permits and then leave the corp.
Someone suggested RvB for you, and it is surely a lot better than everything you have experienced so far while living among those douchebags. But there are several thing to consider: you will need money for ships- even if you only fly T1 frigs, it can get a little difficult for a newbie without any means to make money. Should you still wish to join, know that you are welcome, write me a short mail after joining and I will give you a moderate amount of isk that will help you getting started. Although we have a no-podding rule, please note that accidents do happen and also we often have third-party war targets that will definitely go for your pod, so while implants are fine, I would advise against anything stupidly expensive. LAst, RvB is awesome because it is full of nullsec and lowsec alts who just want to have some laid back pewpew. If you want to join a lowsec or nullsec corp later, this is one of the best places to make contacts to the better ones.
Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters Mass Overload
0
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Posted - 2013.06.09 12:26:00 -
[55] - Quote
Garresh wrote:Seriously who were these guys? I need names. They need a good hard dickslapping.
Mordu's Military Industrial Command [MOMIC] Member of Circle-Of-Two [CO2]
It's his first corp out of the gate.
OP, sorry you had to deal with that nonsense. There ARE nullsec alliances out there that actually flythings that newbies fly. And, like many other have suggested, EVE Uni, RvB, and FW are all viable options for you at this point. I prefer wormhole space myself, but you might want to get comfortable with PvP in general before you PvP in a wormhole.
Don't let some random nullbears ruin EVE for you. |
Orpheus Sin
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.06.09 13:50:00 -
[56] - Quote
I don't have a new suggestion exactly. Just wanted to to say keep at it. Once you find your niche, you will have a blast. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
250
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Posted - 2013.06.09 14:27:00 -
[57] - Quote
OP, I suggest you speak with Monk or me in game.
I have a feeling we can help you find your path. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Fenris Purvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.06.09 14:47:00 -
[58] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote: OP, I suggest you speak with Monk or me in game.
I have a feeling we can help you find your path.
...Your the ISK doubler from Jita! I have seen you. Im pretty sure now that I think of it I blocked you too since I block all scammers/doublers/etc as a general rule. I will drop you a chat anyway though, but no iskies for you! *jealously guards his small pile of hard won iskies* |
Gordon Esil
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
31
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Posted - 2013.06.09 14:55:00 -
[59] - Quote
Dude, just find an FW corp who is willing to take any chars with any SP amount and do your thing there! After 1 or 2 months you will be completely on your own, I've been there before, I know what is it like |
Bimbi Norris
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.06.09 15:57:00 -
[60] - Quote
Talk to your leadership, whinging about it on the forums will get you knowhere fast, if all you can fly is a rifter, **** the implants off and get into rvb or a lowsec corp to learn how to pvp so your not a complete knob. Even then you might be **** at pvp like me XD |
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Gil Roland
Roma Aeterna
29
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:09:00 -
[61] - Quote
Have a look at the Explorer career, aiming for Wormholes. Eventually you could establish your own corp. recruiting your 2 or 3 friends you bring in the game, find an empty wormhole, set up a POS and have a lot of good times with PVP while making a lot of good money with PVE.
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
461
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Posted - 2013.06.09 17:00:00 -
[62] - Quote
Most has already been said except perhaps that the "good" Corps tend to have more of a word-of-mouth recruitment. Or perhaps the worse the Corp, the needier it appears in the Recruitment Channel and here on the forums (exceptions always exist, of course).
On the other hand, having been in a bad Corp still counts towards the learning cliff, just don-¦t make it a habit . Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
Fenris Purvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2013.06.09 23:19:00 -
[63] - Quote
This has been an enlightening thread as I hoped it would be and it would seem Ive made some friends (well, people that COULD be friends!) from it. |
Akai Kvaesir
In Exile.
124
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Posted - 2013.06.09 23:26:00 -
[64] - Quote
Faction Warfare. Nuff said. Check out Imperial Marauders. I think you won't be disappointed. Frogblast the Vent Core! When the W'rkncacnter came, Pthia was killed, and Yrro in anger, flung the W'rkncacnter into the sun. The sun burned them, but they swam on its surface. |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
580
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Posted - 2013.06.10 00:35:00 -
[65] - Quote
Fenris Purvanen wrote:I wanted to thank you all. When I wrote the OP I was expecting to get hammered by trolls. Instead I got a lot of support. Im going to wait another couple weeks to finish some long haul trains and look into RvB and null FW and once I loose my implants oh well. Due to being new and making some poor skilling choices in a hope of being able to fly with the fleet of my original alliance I way over stretched my self. So now I'm going back and really pouring it into support skills. I made an alt too so I can pursue multiple options at once. So if anyone finds themselves in need of a T2 fit interceptor of AF or even an Interdictor...drop me a line. For now, I'm out prowling low sec in a little hookbill looking for my first kill.
Awesome! Eve needs more players like you.
Good luck (and most importantly, have fun) with the hunt.
P.S. If you join RvB hit me up, (preferably RED, ha ha) I have more spare implants and LPs than I know what to do with. :) |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
809
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Posted - 2013.06.10 00:49:00 -
[66] - Quote
Fenris Purvanen wrote:So if anyone finds themselves in need of a T2 fit interceptor of AF or even an Interdictor...drop me a line. For now, I'm out prowling low sec in a little hookbill looking for my first kill.
Hohoho, this is awesome dude !!
Ceptors all day everywhere in every fckin fleet/gang decent enough of its name.
AssFriggs? -they're fantastic, a huge bunch of those and you kill capitals with !
Dictors? -did you just said you can fly those or still training for those? -dude this dictor thing is just amazing, probably the single major actor in a fleet or gang after the FC that can save your fleet or help wipe it out. It's an individual skill space awareness thing and you take no orders from absolutely no one else than directly from your FC, and you can even choose not to execute them or take your own decisions without waiting him to tell you whatsoever.
Looks easy, seems easy but no, it's dam fragile (CCP really needs to take a look at these) but it's an awesome challenge and game changer based on individual skill you will be hated or loved for your personal skill, not the amount of your toon SP. Same for ceptors, a bit less for AssFrigs and not at all for brainless shooting BC's/BS stuff other than KM hoaring. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Fenris Purvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2013.06.10 00:56:00 -
[67] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Dictors? -did you just said you can fly those or still training for those? .
My alt got destroyer 5 prior to the expansion and now can fly Min Dictors. Shes training into T2 fittings for it now. Since both her and my main are corpless atm I can pull either one out for just about anything.
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I Need PLEX
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.06.10 01:02:00 -
[68] - Quote
Join Brave Newbies Inc. |
Ace Menda
Phoibe Enterprises
15
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Posted - 2013.06.10 08:10:00 -
[69] - Quote
NightCrawler 85 wrote:Many people will be helpful on the forums when its a new player asking for help, and your post did not really come across as whining or similar, more frustrated and i think many can relate to how you were feeling. I know you said in your last post you are interested in rejoining your old alliance, but if you change your mind i would advice you to read over this thread (also a wall of text ), since it might guide you and help you avoid ending up in a similar situation in the future. Good luck and happy to see your sticking around even if you had a rough start
Use this guide.
The biggest mistake you made was:
* Just join the biggest industry corp in null. WITHOUT doing your research about them.
Finding a corporation takes MUCH more effort then just looking for the biggest corp that does "x" and lives in "y". I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors. Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Joxxy
Vrane Club
15
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Posted - 2013.06.10 08:43:00 -
[70] - Quote
Hello there young pup.
I see your looking for a corp in 0.0 to call your home.
To undock in a Rifter, tackle someone ( tm ) and have fun in process ?
Well that can be a challenge, especially with SOV holding alliances paranoia fears over young pilots being spies !
But one should look in here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265
Find a corp you think you would enjoy and - try to get in. You failed ? Try another ... |
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Rahool
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:21:00 -
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Joxxy wrote:Hello there young pup. I see your looking for a corp in 0.0 to call your home. To undock in a Rifter, tackle someone ( tm ) and have fun in process ? Well that can be a challenge, especially with SOV holding alliances paranoia fears over young pilots being spies ! But one should look in here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265Find a corp you think you would enjoy and - try to get in. You failed ? Try another ...
Hello there young pup... |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2132
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:30:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Fenris Purvanen wrote:I knew that I couldn't do much to help in a big 0.0 fleet brawl ( zero actually) so I figured to get into 0.0, make money, and have a place I could get to know people I should go miner to start. So I used the corp finder, tracked down the biggest 0.0 mining corp I could, app'd and zoomed off to null in my little venture. Big mistake. I made the assumption that I would have the opportunity to at least tag along on fleet ops from time to time in my little tackle Rifter. Could I save the day? Hardly. Could I so SOMETHING? Maybe. The reality of the that assumption would be summed up to me quite clearly in short order. Not welcome. I showed up at every CTA and posted roam in my little Rifter only to be sent packing by the FC. Cant fly a Battleship? Go home. EQII and WoW heroic raid guild mentality. Sure join our guild, but if you want to raid with us come skilled and geared. That reminder in EvE is upsetting. "Oh, oh...you can get in a dessie in a day and fly roams!!!"And waste time dying without the support skills. And being new, don't have the side income to support getting 2mil ships like candy, because as a newb you are cannon fodder (the corps that do accept newbies, don't tend to have ship replacements even on fleet roams, so until you get over 5mil in SP, you're SoL -- and that's IF they trust you enough to offer one).
You never display even a slight liking of EVE, and yet here you are.
We train our newbs for dessies (and supposrt skills) then to tech1 cruisers (thanks CCP!) within a couple weeks and get them out roaming, training a noctis inbetween all that so they can salvage wrecks ratters leave behind. The make WAY more isk (even adjusted for inflation) than I did in 2007 trying to do lvl 3 missions in a drake. Hell they make more than I did back then doing lvl 4s.
Too many "newbs" bring their natural gamers lack of social skills with them into EVE and thus don't know how to find good groups without someone holding their hands. Well, that's just a personal problem, with organizations like TEST, Goons, EVE uni, RvB and thousands of newb friendly empire corps, there is just not excuse today.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
16012
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:33:00 -
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Fenris Purvanen wrote:DRGaius Baltar wrote:TLDR I apologize profusely for testing the limitations of your gnat like attention span.
This forum is notorious for nonsensical walls-o-text, and after a few years, one realizes they are pretty much not ever worth reading.
I could have summed your issue up in 3 sentences.
You would have gotten kinder responses. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2809
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:40:00 -
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People usually ask for a TLDR when said wall of text is a steaming pile of dog**** which is very difficult to assimilate. This wasn't. |
Signal11th
The Retirement Club
990
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:57:00 -
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Faction Warfare, Red vs Blue and ignore the circle jerk that is 0.0 for a bit it's not all that. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14741
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:13:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:We train our newbs for dessies (and supposrt skills) then to tech1 cruisers (thanks CCP!) within a couple weeks and get them out roaming, training a noctis inbetween all that so they can salvage wrecks ratters leave behind. The make WAY more isk (even adjusted for inflation) than I did in 2007 trying to do lvl 3 missions in a drake. Hell they make more than I did back then doing lvl 4s. ^^ Also, see sig.
Support skills are dirt cheap and silly quick to train. Even a very new player can get them to levels where they start making a good bit of difference. The trick lies in knowing which are actually useful (and, for a gold star, why this is the case), but any remotely useful corp will help their new players in navigating that particular maze. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Gordon Esil
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
32
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:41:00 -
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Well, if the talk about support skills, then I was having absolutely ZERO skills with missiles, I had to train them due to some sudden need for that, and in 4 days I got: Missile Launcher Operation - 4 Heavy Missiles - 4 Rapid Launch - 4 Warhead Upgrades - 4 Missile Bombardment - 3 Now training Missile Launcher Operation to 5 so I can get T2 heavy missiles I needed to get a drake, my DPS went from 0 on it to 250dps in matter of 4 days
- Just saying |
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