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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:11:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:I really don't get it. I never have a problem getting into Jita.
By the looks of the gates though, the AFK crowd was not getting in though. Perhaps you're just lucky, or don't even try to get in at a time that coincides with Jita Max? They could just remove local, and half the population would go somewhere else. 1. Click on jump. 2. If fail, Press ENTER and go to 1.
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Dave Stark
3108
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:13:00 -
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Zak Breen wrote:Altrue wrote:What about removing Jita local, so that people.. I mean, BOTS, stop using slots just to spam ? That would make too much sense.
i'd love to see how many people stop logging in to jita alts if local chat vanishes. |
Obunagawe
130
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:14:00 -
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Jita is now inaccessible from 2 hours after downtime, until past midnight.
It takes me over 50 tries to log a character into Jita during these times.
It's stupid that the server is capped to benefit a minority of people who actually want to do things that aren't affected by TIDI in Jita. |
Implying Implications
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
390
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:26:00 -
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Confirming that Jita is the only place to buy stuff in this game. sÅ»µä¢püòpü»µ¡út+¬püápÇé |
Tollen Gallen
Xionworld
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:58:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Zak Breen wrote:Altrue wrote:What about removing Jita local, so that people.. I mean, BOTS, stop using slots just to spam ? That would make too much sense. i'd love to see how many people stop logging in to jita alts if local chat vanishes.
Given that there seems to be atleast 2000 in local at any given time, i'd guess 100+.
Hmm... On one hand that seems high, but on the other it does'nt seem high enough...... I try not to go there.
But as its been said in countless other threads, We as the playerbase created it.
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pmchem
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
521
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:19:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote: If we up the limit then Time Dilation starts to kick in more aggressively than it does now. It will with the current limit drop to 80% approx. every 15 minutes on average during peak hour.
I think a major concern is that the Jita limit before cap or tidi apparently went _down_ with Odyssey's release. Why was this? And will it also affect the number at which fleet fights are tidi'd? Performance should get better, not worse, in a big release... we all hope! @pmchem on twitter || GARPA || Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
143
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:42:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:I can't find the link now, but apparently ships that are on autopilot have priority in the queue.
Oh, and the higher the value of your cargo the better, too.. Well, the value of the cargo seems not what gets you in, but autopilot does get you in faster, probably due to less spamming.
No, the cargo value definitely has an effect.
We can actually prove it for everyone quite easily. If you load up an industrial with, say, 20 PLEXes and autopilot it to Jita at peak time, I'll autopilot an empty battleship and we'll see who gets in first. I have a friend who says he can be there to provide independant verification also. |
Wes Vyvorant
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:50:00 -
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Ffs ccp just fix jita already. I am not paying to sit at a gate spamming buttons. And While your at it remove local chat cause its unusable anyway. |
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
143
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:52:00 -
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Wes Vyvorant wrote: Ffs ccp just fix jita already. I am not paying to sit at a gate spamming buttons.
I'm guessing you actually are, or you wouldn't have posted this :)
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Wes Vyvorant
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:57:00 -
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Delen Ormand wrote:Wes Vyvorant wrote: Ffs ccp just fix jita already. I am not paying to sit at a gate spamming buttons.
I'm guessing you actually are, or you wouldn't have posted this :)
No i gave up, logged off and posted this sitting at the bbq with a beer. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1503
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:59:00 -
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Asptar Monastair wrote:Oxide Ammar wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Tippia wrote:Nah. It's a good mix of performance and accessibility as it is. This. If we up the limit then Time Dilation starts to kick in more aggressively than it does now. It will with the current limit drop to 80% approx. every 15 minutes on average during peak hour. Half of jita residents are spamming bots, they are useless and killing the fun for the rest of us. you need to introduce something to keep the traffic flowing. Idea: first ~30 min docked in Jita is free, next the clock will be ticking and Concord will charge you ISK for staying more. Make the parking fee for someone staying like 6 hrs idle is big to teach people value of time. Seeing as how markets and contracts and everything is handled on a different node, and chat is on a completely different service altogether, I would say the most work being done by the node would be on the ships in space. So reducing spammers and other docked activities probably wouldn't make much difference. I could be totally wrong though. You would be absolutely right. Market, contracts and chat are on other nodes. The load in Jita is primarily traffic related, pilots docking/undocking/jumping-in/jumping-out. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1503
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:00:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Tippia wrote:Nah. It's a good mix of performance and accessibility as it is. This. If we up the limit then Time Dilation starts to kick in more aggressively than it does now. It will with the current limit drop to 80% approx. every 15 minutes on average during peak hour. Maybe you should do something about spam bots rather than punish people actually trying to play the game. See my reply above, they don't contribute that much to load.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14672
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:02:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:You would be absolutely right. Market, contracts and chat are on other nodes. The load in Jita is primarily traffic related, pilots docking/undocking/jumping-in/jumping-out. SoooGǪ this whole brain-in-a-box thing we've heard about has the potential of being the largest Jita booster in a long while, if you get it to work? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1503
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:04:00 -
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pmchem wrote:CCP Explorer wrote: If we up the limit then Time Dilation starts to kick in more aggressively than it does now. It will with the current limit drop to 80% approx. every 15 minutes on average during peak hour.
I think a major concern is that the Jita limit before cap or tidi apparently went _down_ with Odyssey's release. Why was this? And will it also affect the number at which fleet fights are tidi'd? Performance should get better, not worse, in a big release... we all hope! It is known why that is; first of all there is always a different usage profile in Jita in the first week after an expansion. More traffic and since the load is mostly traffic related then we need to lower the cap until tha bump of excitement tapers off. Secondly there were changes to logging we did related to the attacks the weekend before Odyssey that we need to optimise. We hope to do that very soon and then the population cap on Jita will return to normal values.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1503
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:You would be absolutely right. Market, contracts and chat are on other nodes. The load in Jita is primarily traffic related, pilots docking/undocking/jumping-in/jumping-out. SoooGǪ this whole brain-in-a-box thing we've heard about has the potential of being the largest Jita booster in a long while, if you get it to work? CCP Veritas is still working on that and, yes, that would be the largest Jita boost in a while and a tremendous boon to coordinated fleet fight jump-ins. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Merovee
Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor
118
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:08:00 -
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A cap on free hanger space in stations might help spread out the herd. Just thinking out loud. |
Dave Stark
3109
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:10:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Tippia wrote:Nah. It's a good mix of performance and accessibility as it is. This. If we up the limit then Time Dilation starts to kick in more aggressively than it does now. It will with the current limit drop to 80% approx. every 15 minutes on average during peak hour. Maybe you should do something about spam bots rather than punish people actually trying to play the game. See my reply above, they don't contribute that much to load.
but if you removed local, they'd have no reason to be *in* jita, so that'd lighten the load, surely? |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1503
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:10:00 -
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Wes Vyvorant wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:Wes Vyvorant wrote:Ffs ccp just fix jita already. I am not paying to sit at a gate spamming buttons. I'm guessing you actually are, or you wouldn't have posted this :) No i gave up, logged off and posted this sitting at the bbq with a beer. How's Amarr these days? Right now there are 2050 in Jita and 835 in Amarr. We very recently assigned Amarr to better hardware to handle more load. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
752
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:12:00 -
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People sitting in station chatting contribute practically zero load to the machine running the solar system. CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1503
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:13:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Tippia wrote:Nah. It's a good mix of performance and accessibility as it is. This. If we up the limit then Time Dilation starts to kick in more aggressively than it does now. It will with the current limit drop to 80% approx. every 15 minutes on average during peak hour. Maybe you should do something about spam bots rather than punish people actually trying to play the game. See my reply above, they don't contribute that much to load. but if you removed local, they'd have no reason to be *in* jita, so that'd lighten the load, surely? No, the load would stay the same (because it's traffic related) and we would lower the cap accordingly with the number of spambots that would have gone away.
There are X pilots causing load and Y spambots. The cap is at X+Y. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Noddy Comet
Lysdexic Agnostics - Thier is no Dog
55
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:13:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Tippia wrote:Nah. It's a good mix of performance and accessibility as it is. This. If we up the limit then Time Dilation starts to kick in more aggressively than it does now. It will with the current limit drop to 80% approx. every 15 minutes on average during peak hour.
So, from this we can gather that the criteria for doing nothing in Jita to help improve it more as a trade hub for people who actually wish to, huh... trade, is it meets the bare bones minimum requirement for being both accessible and performance?
Here's the thing that has bothered me for years about Jita...
Look at Jita cam.
Look at local.
What do we see?
Literally hundreds of docks/undocks per hour vs 20-50+ (at peak times) of BOTS that just sit in local and spam the channel with scams. I can't remember the last time I logged into Jita and did not immediately block at least 5-10 bot scammers.
If the criteria here is to have Jita accessible as trade hub to ALL who wish to get in and do actual legitimate biznez while it begin accessible and performing at optimal levels, it would appear to be common sense to make it nearly impossible for the system population to be hogged up by some selfish bastages scam-botting the channel for hours on end (which most sane players have already blocked within the first 30 seconds of zoning into the system) and thus freeing up those precious population slots for those who want to fly in, trade goods and fly out again.
/inb4 butthurt Jita scammer alts that will no doubt attack the poster and ignore the post. |
Noddy Comet
Lysdexic Agnostics - Thier is no Dog
55
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:14:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:People sitting in station chatting contribute practically zero load to the machine running the solar system.
Yet they add to the total population limit, correct? |
Dave Stark
3109
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:16:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:No, the load would stay the same (because it's traffic related) and we would lower the cap accordingly with the number of spambots that would have gone away.
There are X pilots causing load and Y spambots. The cap is at X+Y.
ah i see, makes sense. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1503
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:20:00 -
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Noddy Comet wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:People sitting in station chatting contribute practically zero load to the machine running the solar system. Yet they add to the total population limit, correct? There are X pilots causing load and Y spambots. The cap is at X+Y.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Mathias Karsten
New Eden Regimental Navy Rebel Alliance of New Eden
5
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:25:00 -
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Noddy Comet wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:People sitting in station chatting contribute practically zero load to the machine running the solar system. Yet they add to the total population limit, correct?
The population limit takes those docked spammers into account, so if they remove the docked folks, limit is changed accordingly. Mathias Karsten
RANE Council Member, RANE Director New Eden Regimental Navy [NERN] Rebel Alliance of New Eden [RANE] |
Condrad Antollare
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:29:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Noddy Comet wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:People sitting in station chatting contribute practically zero load to the machine running the solar system. Yet they add to the total population limit, correct? There are X pilots causing load and Y spambots. The cap is at X+Y.
Get a better server? I thought this was a sandbox but apparently the devs are trying to put a hold on economic growth in Jita |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
234
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:44:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:No, the load would stay the same (because it's traffic related) and we would lower the cap accordingly with the number of spambots that would have gone away.
There are X pilots causing load and Y spambots. The cap is at X+Y.
Since the problem isn't going away as it's a player choice to trade in one place, how about increasing the hardware to compensate for it? More blades since it's traffic related and not data?
If not more hardware, financial incentives to redistribute the load? Because truthfully every faction zone should have their trade capital. Ferrying goods from Amarr or Gallente space to Jita to sale is not only a resource hog, it's a time hog. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
219
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:50:00 -
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I agree with the irrelevant NPC corp forum alts; CCP should ditch the system cap, and TiDi along with it. It was so much better when you just blackscreened upon undocking or jumping into system. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
iskflakes
496
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:55:00 -
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Perhaps you could disable the real time station memberlist and switch local to delayed memberlist mode.
(If there are 1700 people docked and one person undocks, that's 1700 people who need to receive an update. The same is true with local chat.) - |
Mc Scam
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:06:00 -
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How about removing traffic from afk players by not allowing Jita as final destination for the autopilot? (Just make em park on the gates to Jita instead) Would that help? |
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