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Xendie
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Posted - 2005.11.09 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Dude just check the video channel theres tons of movies about belt piracy, the ones from Lyticus (s******dly) come to my mind for example...
Maybe you should get down your tall horse and realise belt piracy aint too hard but u just suck at it? (not a flame, everyone need to learn at some point)
w0rd!
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Farjung
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Posted - 2005.11.09 12:00:00 -
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With the move to low sec by the dedicated mission *****s, there is another option to belt piracy and gate ganking. Despite common opinion, deadspace missions are probe-able, but it's a question of luck and practice whether you can find the deadspace mission fast enough that they haven't already finished the mission. Extravaganzas are nice as there's not too much travel distance between the gates usually, so you're likely to land pretty close to your target.
And of course missions that occur near planets are extremely easy to probe.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.09 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 09/11/2005 13:49:33
Originally by: Necrologic
99% of the time there arn't more than 3 people in system. Normally if sombody is in a belt i am on top of them within 30 seconds if i know the system, 40 if i don't. Saying you can't get kills or make a profit because of where your name shows in local is pritty weak, chances are much higher that you just suck at catching people, but i've never seen you in action so i don't really know.
I welcome you to come down south and try, because last night I found a 4 person mining op and literly as soon as my screen loaded they all had logged out.
I'd sure like these super skills that allows you to catch them before they do.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.11.09 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 09/11/2005 13:52:29
Originally by: Dionysus Davinci Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 09/11/2005 13:49:33
Originally by: Necrologic
99% of the time there arn't more than 3 people in system. Normally if sombody is in a belt i am on top of them within 30 seconds if i know the system, 40 if i don't. Saying you can't get kills or make a profit because of where your name shows in local is pritty weak, chances are much higher that you just suck at catching people, but i've never seen you in action so i don't really know.
I welcome you to come down south and try, because last night I found a 4 person mining op and literly as soon as my screen loaded they all had logged out.
I'd sure like these super skills that allows you to catch them before they do.
rofl... Anyways, maybe it's your corp and maybe it's your bounty (If you have one). Loot is umm not that small and well known for piracy. Same as Sniggy. More noobs know Sniggy than they know My corp and we have been doing it way longer than Sniggy. So yeah, everything counts and your not counting it. Nothing to do with D in your name.
-Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Rivek
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Posted - 2005.11.09 15:17:00 -
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Belt or complex or mission spawn point piracy is certainly alive... but I'm not sure if its well. Why?
Local chat: that oh so omniscient scout, really puts a damper on your chances of catching anyone or anything if you are a known and negative SS pirate.
MWD use: Catching anyone in a complex or deadspace mission without the use of a MWD is additionally difficult.
Keyed Complexes are nearly instancing: Often you cant get near your potential target as most complexes are protected by keys, easily preventing you from geting to the potential victims.
Mission runner bookmarks nigh unscanable: So often well off the solar plane leaving you unable to find them with scan probes.
That leaves belts (which are not as often populated as they were been pre exodus) and require a sleeping target and gates which require using tanking BS (largely unable to tackle) or snipers (which most people agree is somewhat lame).
Hence the whinage by some. Removing local chat or delaying entry would go a long way toward improving piracy options, making it both more feasable when you did find someone in a system and simultaneously more difficult to find anyone.
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Xendie
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Posted - 2005.11.09 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rivek Belt or complex or mission spawn point piracy is certainly alive... but I'm not sure if its well. Why?
Local chat: that oh so omniscient scout, really puts a damper on your chances of catching anyone or anything if you are a known and negative SS pirate.
MWD use: Catching anyone in a complex or deadspace mission without the use of a MWD is additionally difficult.
Keyed Complexes are nearly instancing: Often you cant get near your potential target as most complexes are protected by keys, easily preventing you from geting to the potential victims.
Mission runner bookmarks nigh unscanable: So often well off the solar plane leaving you unable to find them with scan probes.
That leaves belts (which are not as often populated as they were been pre exodus) and require a sleeping target and gates which require using tanking BS (largely unable to tackle) or snipers (which most people agree is somewhat lame).
Hence the whinage by some. Removing local chat or delaying entry would go a long way toward improving piracy options, making it both more feasable when you did find someone in a system and simultaneously more difficult to find anyone.
why not just remove the sentrys around stations on .4 and below and make probes usable beyond the crappy .5au up and down plane. i dont like the sniping at gates as it takes no skill basically to just sit and hit F1-F8. ive done it but its no fun, however CCP has forced pirating to become mostly BS oriented due to sentrys in low sec. so with a area where there are few ppl stopping and living there is little to no option but to snipe people who pass the system. the whole sentry in low sec needs to be reconsidered or reconstructed somehow. it is suppoused to be a dangerous place not very safe as it is now for mission runners. the piracy proffession need a bone, throw us a few CCP, its about time.
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2005.11.09 16:29:00 -
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If pirates cant snipe then they wont be much point staying in empire.The main reason i sniped so much was cause of the 15 min timer.If i cant snipe succesfully with 2 damage mods in empire i think i call it a day with Eve actually im not gonna pay to play a game for 4 mins every hour Ebaying Ginger should be quite interesting.
"Ginger Magician is just infamous. I've met more people ingame that have talked about him, than anyone else in Eve." |
Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.11.09 16:39:00 -
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Won't the changes make ships more able to tank against changes? If there are less snipers then maybe mroe people will go into low sec.
To be honest wish Exodus was setup to move people away from high sec wmpire into the lower sec parts of the map.
El Presedente
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Sophie Mae
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Posted - 2005.11.09 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Well it's rather simple really. You should know if you have played EVE long that Alliances mine. Alliances build stuff and move stuff around. Some weaker alliances even do this with weak defenses. Which alliances, well that's something you have to research as I did. The isk is there just as it is in empire with people running with weak defense into 0.4-0.1 systems.
I really don't understand what you mean by "Blob Fights". I mean do you really think that if you happen to gank a alliance hauler that a massive blob is going to come and find you and instant pop you? I mean if you're sitting there gate camping as in NOT ROAMING or even worse not using tactics then yeah I guess I could fear a blob. Being a solo pirate/pvp pilot, if someone sends a blob down to flush me out then by the time they get there im already gone or SS cloaked.
Maybe you're just one of them guys who likes to set up camp in one system and not roam around though. So people know where you are and so you can be blobbed. But hey, we all have weaknesses eh?
You hit the nail on the head here. The area these guys do there "work" in is one in which the Alliance really gets off there arses to blob some lone pirate. I know because I have screamed on TS for them to come blob me out of trouble and they just laugh at me and say "Oh well, it is just a single hauler". LOL
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Sophie Mae
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Posted - 2005.11.09 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Sophie Mae on 09/11/2005 17:15:28
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
rofl... Anyways, maybe it's your corp and maybe it's your bounty (If you have one). Loot is umm not that small and well known for piracy. Same as Sniggy. More noobs know Sniggy than they know My corp and we have been doing it way longer than Sniggy. So yeah, everything counts and your not counting it. Nothing to do with D in your name.
I will admit Dionysus is correct in that he won't have any luck with belt piracy in Aridia, as he is far to well know and predictable. However, many other's in Aridia do it just fine, but then again they make a point of mixing it up and occationally taking there act on the road so as to allow the locals to become complacent again. Doing this requires effort, planning and a certian amount of risk though.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.09 17:36:00 -
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Actually, I do take breaks. I spent 2 weeks away from the area just so people would drop their guard and enter low security when I am online. I've even been moving around ganking ships around on the highway lately. Belt EVERYTIME someone enters with negative security the all mighty defense system local chat lets them know you are there instead of making them work.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.11.09 17:39:00 -
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It seem the fact that you are known means that the locals crow when you enter local. How about becoming nomadic so the locals never know who you are?
El Presedente
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.09 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 09/11/2005 17:41:52
Originally by: Hans Roaming It seem the fact that you are known means that the locals crow when you enter local. How about becoming nomadic so the locals never know who you are?
Ok, and who is going to stick around when a -10 guy enters local? I use to bear it up in low security and I know I didn't either. Everyone that entered local I showed info. If I was at a complex I used the scanner to see if they went to the acceleration gate (Though I doubt most people do that part)
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Sophie Mae
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Posted - 2005.11.09 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Sophie Mae on 09/11/2005 17:54:13 Edited by: Sophie Mae on 09/11/2005 17:53:27
Originally by: Dionysus Davinci Actually, I do take breaks. I spent 2 weeks away from the area just so people would drop their guard and enter low security when I am online. I've even been moving around ganking ships around on the highway lately. Belt EVERYTIME someone enters with negative security the all mighty defense system local chat lets them know you are there instead of making them work.
Well, since your "break" was during the Bob cleansinng of Aridia there was hardly anytime for the locals to become complacent. In fact, they are probably more on edge than ever. The suggestion on becoming nomadic is what would serve you the best if you are really concerned about your livelihood becoming endangered. It is very true that many belt ratters and miners in other areas than Aridia can be very complacent and easy to jump. As the video's and testomonials should have proven to you by now, it is very much possible for a -10 well known pirate to make a living with belt piracy.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.11.09 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 09/11/2005 17:41:52
Originally by: Hans Roaming It seem the fact that you are known means that the locals crow when you enter local. How about becoming nomadic so the locals never know who you are?
Ok, and who is going to stick around when a -10 guy enters local? I use to bear it up in low security and I know I didn't either. Everyone that entered local I showed info. If I was at a complex I used the scanner to see if they went to the acceleration gate (Though I doubt most people do that part)
I can feel what you're saying but then again it effects us all with low security. I enter a system and they see -7.0 and it's like dock or log off. But not everyone is paying attention to local all the time yet others are. Now I headed back out to 0.0 for more combat training because I lacked it in a number of fields. So now instead of just visting 0.0 for lone ops I'm based out of 0.0. The point here is, people don't dock in 0.0 because of my status. Nor do I have to in the same system to intercept someone. So on that hand, I don't see what you're saying.
You need to get out to more places and stop spending so much time in one region/system. Sounds like you found a nice fishing spot and you want to keep fishing it. Need to think outside the box and get to more new places to belt piracy. If not then you seriously need to start looking towards gate camping. That's where the most ISK is made in the first place. By the time they see your -10 or your name they're dead or being ransomed.
-Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Farjung
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Posted - 2005.11.09 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rivek Mission runner bookmarks nigh unscanable: So often well off the solar plane leaving you unable to find them with scan probes.
They are nonetheless scannable. A lot of practice with observators is required, and the process is pretty slow so you'll only really catch people if it's a long mission.
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.11.09 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician If pirates cant snipe then they wont be much point staying in empire.The main reason i sniped so much was cause of the 15 min timer.If i cant snipe succesfully with 2 damage mods in empire i think i call it a day with Eve actually im not gonna pay to play a game for 4 mins every hour Ebaying Ginger should be quite interesting.
Surely that will just get whoever buys your account banned? ;)
Oh, and can't hack it in 0.0 then?
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.09 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Farjung
Originally by: Rivek Mission runner bookmarks nigh unscanable: So often well off the solar plane leaving you unable to find them with scan probes.
They are nonetheless scannable. A lot of practice with observators is required, and the process is pretty slow so you'll only really catch people if it's a long mission.
No one mission runs in South Amarr. They maybe complex run, but those are not scannable.
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Megadon
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Posted - 2005.11.09 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Dr jekyII i thought piracy was shoot and ransom,loot anyone in a ship.wether he/she in empire or 0. what kinda true piracy you talking about..sec hit and stuff?
0.0 is lawless, you can't commit a crime and be a pirate if there is no law. Hence, unless you are blinking, you are no just trying to
That's a really dumb and erroneous argument. It's piracy because it is against the will of whom you are ransoming/extorting/killing/looting, not because it's against the "law".
Ganking/killing randomly in empire doesn't "make" you a pirate because it is illegal in empire, it makes you a pirate because your are doing it for profit. If you are just ganking/killing and not doing it for profit, you are not a pirate, you are just a ganker.
The operant word of pirating is to "plunder" and to "prey upon others" not whether it is "legal" or "illegal".
There are so many pirate wannabe's that just randomly gank and call themselves pirates. That ain't pirating.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2005.11.09 22:46:00 -
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wrong. pirates are people without "blue" list of people not to shoot at(that really definses them more than anything). Pirates want your modules. I could sit around and play games with ransom but that just puts me behind schedule and frankly directness is a admirable quality in my book. Thus, I blow your ship up and your modules are mine. Again, I AM a pirate. That you got "ganked" just means to me that I brought more to the table than you had and you want to sort out your inadequancy in that regard by classify me as a "ganker" versus a pirate. Next time, for your sake, you'll need to know more about where I am and what I have to kill you than what I know about you in those same categories. Otherwise, I'll take your modules again.
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Megadon
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Posted - 2005.11.09 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Megadon on 09/11/2005 22:55:29
Originally by: Cummilla wrong. pirates are people without "blue" list of people not to shoot at(that really definses them more than anything). Pirates want your modules. I could sit around and play games with ransom but that just puts me behind schedule and frankly directness is a admirable quality in my book. Thus, I blow your ship up and your modules are mine. Again, I AM a pirate. That you got "ganked" just means to me that I brought more to the table than you had and you want to sort out your inadequancy in that regard by classify me as a "ganker" versus a pirate. Next time, for your sake, you'll need to know more about where I am and what I have to kill you than what I know about you in those same categories. Otherwise, I'll take your modules again.
What do you mean wrong? You really didn't read what i said.
Try again.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2005.11.09 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Megadon Edited by: Megadon on 09/11/2005 22:55:29
Originally by: Cummilla wrong. pirates are people without "blue" list of people not to shoot at(that really definses them more than anything). Pirates want your modules. I could sit around and play games with ransom but that just puts me behind schedule and frankly directness is a admirable quality in my book. Thus, I blow your ship up and your modules are mine. Again, I AM a pirate. That you got "ganked" just means to me that I brought more to the table than you had and you want to sort out your inadequancy in that regard by classify me as a "ganker" versus a pirate. Next time, for your sake, you'll need to know more about where I am and what I have to kill you than what I know about you in those same categories. Otherwise, I'll take your modules again.
What do you mean wrong? You really didn't read what i said.
Try again.
Sorry about that. Missed a couple words. Was something you often here on Eve O in that people who destroy ships versus ransoming aren't pirates. You are correct, the profit motive distinguishes the pirate.......
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Megadon
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Posted - 2005.11.09 23:05:00 -
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Nicholai Pestot
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Posted - 2005.11.09 23:38:00 -
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I don't know, it may just be the area im in but i easly catch 2 or 3 people within the 2 hours i can spend playing each night making an average of around 7 million per catch.21 million a night may not be much, but its earned from 2 hours of thinking and having fun, not staring at a roid/gate/npc all night repeating your actions untill it all looses meaning.
The uncertanty of lowsec PvP and pushing of my ships limits are what i play for now (can i take that NPC hunting ferox,moa and ospry out with my thorax...lets find out..), the money tends to just build up in a stockpile to do soemthing with at a later date .
I believe the key is roaming over a far enough area for your raids to be infrequent against any one group.
As long as no-one fears you enough to add you to their addressbook and you know a system well, you can often get in and narrow someones position down before they realise you are there, do a show info and warn their friends.
The most imporant thing is to be creative and take advantage of stupid or lazey prey and intersperse this with attacking things you really shouldnt be able to take down
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Thomas Torquemada
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Posted - 2005.11.09 23:56:00 -
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Catchign prey is the problem, more people do agent missions these days than mining, its just way way more profitable.
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2005.11.10 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: albert camus
Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Necrologic I'll continue making a profit doing belt piracy.
Your name also doesn't appear on the top of local.
You think your name is bad I am 90% of the time always at the TOP of the local list
shut up i made you!
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia In short: Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2005.11.10 02:16:00 -
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dionysus is correct.Belt piracy in empire is quite impossible if u got a name.As soon as i enter a local in my region every single person in that local immediately warps to safe spot or insta dock to station.Your chance of catching them is zero. I quite like tanking the sentries anyway but the trouble is the timer.4 kills per hour is not enough for me even if they r battleships as u can never guarantee good loot even from bs kills. "Ginger Magician is just infamous. I've met more people ingame that have talked about him, than anyone else in Eve." |
Altai Saker
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Posted - 2005.11.10 07:03:00 -
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looks like crappy pvpers will need to learn how to use the scanner?
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Nicholai Pestot
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Posted - 2005.11.10 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Altai Saker looks like crappy pvpers will need to learn how to use the scanner?
Aye and those with good scanner skills but a poor name should adopt a tackler newbie and teach him to use a scanner.
Wait outside system on gate, send in said newbie to catch for you.
Just having a low sec status will still not be enough to drive away all the folks in local (if it was i wouldn't be so successfull) so as long as the newbie learns the value of STFU the kills should still be linked to you (USE your infamy), letting the tackler newbie stay in his role till his skills improve enough for him to fill another role.Then you to replace him with another tackler newbie.
I have never had to go down this route, as my name is not linked to piracy, but i have seen other more famous names use a method like this.
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Alexander Kiernov
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Posted - 2005.11.11 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Psycarne I have made 100's of millions from pirating in belts,
May I ask where you pirate, because everyone in low security Amarr region just goes and insta docks as soon as you appear on local. I honestly think a lot of it also has do to with your characters name. I of course would usually appear on the more notiacable top while you would be more hidden.
Immediate local has to go.
I feel your pain on the nick part, as mine starts with A... If i only had known...!
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