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Solaris Ecladia
High Flyers Ex Cinere Scriptor
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:09:00 -
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is there seriously a condition named after barbra streisand? |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1771
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:10:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:Mintchip has promoted the game for years. If you look over the comments on her youtube channel, there are many many people that say "I tried EVE because of your videos." She did promote Eve. This is indeed a fact. It was the end of that promoting and how it ended and how she handled herself during dramatic :grimdark: that has people questioning her.
Quote:She has a way of making the game interesting to people that don't know the game. Dust could use that kind of promotion. I won't comment on her abilities as an employee as I do not know her skill set. I will let her actions speak.
Quote:I think that very same thing that makes her successful, annoys the hell out of the 'leet PvPers and hardcore eve types. They all think they could do better and don't understand why people tune in. And yes, maybe they could do better ... at making a video cast that they, the 'leets, would be interested in. But that doesn't justify heaping crap on someone. I honestly didn't care much for her casts. When she quit and got upset, I also did not care. She did not affect my game anymore and people quitting was nothing new. It's just the history that has me 'wat.'
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Lusty Wench
Nox Incurro
76
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:12:00 -
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Please do not post inflammatory links, of any kind. |
None ofthe Above
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:15:00 -
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Anslo wrote:None ofthe Above wrote:Mintchip has promoted the game for years. If you look over the comments on her youtube channel, there are many many people that say "I tried EVE because of your videos." She did promote Eve. This is indeed a fact. It was the end of that promoting and how it ended and how she handled herself during dramatic :grimdark: that has people questioning her. Quote:She has a way of making the game interesting to people that don't know the game. Dust could use that kind of promotion. I won't comment on her abilities as an employee as I do not know her skill set. I will let her actions speak. Quote:I think that very same thing that makes her successful, annoys the hell out of the 'leet PvPers and hardcore eve types. They all think they could do better and don't understand why people tune in. And yes, maybe they could do better ... at making a video cast that they, the 'leets, would be interested in. But that doesn't justify heaping crap on someone. I honestly didn't care much for her casts. When she quit and got upset, I also did not care. She did not affect my game anymore and people quitting was nothing new. It's just the history that has me 'wat.'
You sure post a lot for a guy who cares so little. Don't make me hand you a wizard hat. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2673
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:16:00 -
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Pretty quiet in the forum today. Maybe even more so after the devs go through this thread.
I have to say that these ban waves provide a nice respite from the trolls and asshats for a brief while.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
None ofthe Above
642
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:19:00 -
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Lusty Wench wrote:Please do not post inflammatory links, of any kind.
You are one to talk. You posted a wall of text to hide the fact that you were reopening the "let's slag on the CCP Mintchip" thread(s), against forum rules. Your "high horse" is the height of hypocrisy. Don't make me hand you a wizard hat. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1771
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:20:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:You sure post a lot for a guy who cares so little. Who said I care so little about her being hired? My lack of caring was before her employment. Nice straw man though.
None ofthe Above wrote:You are one to talk. You posted a wall of text to hide the fact that you were reopening the "let's slag on the CCP Mintchip" thread(s), against forum rules. Your "high horse" is the height of hypocrisy.
Except OP wasn't. They started a civil thread airing a concern without bashing. Your interpretation is irrelevant as it is not credible, considering you want to label the thread in such a way as to get it shut down.
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Lusty Wench
Nox Incurro
78
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:20:00 -
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Anslo, you keep hitting them out of the park mate. It's 4am here and I'm going to bed.
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Contract Mule
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:23:00 -
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Guys, Either we found the world's best troll, or the world's stupidest person.
Please contract stuff to Contract Mule Please create a private sale for your characters on character bazaar
evemail me when you're ready |
Lord 'Vulcan' Raven
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:23:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Pretty quiet in the forum today. Maybe even more so after the devs go through this thread. I have to say that these ban waves provide a nice respite from the trolls and asshats for a brief while. Mr Epeen
Here's hoping your next. Only joking. |
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Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
166
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:26:00 -
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Maybe I am just too intelligent to understand the common rabble but I just do not understand why so many people are so butthurt that they would threaten to leave the game because a kinda annoying 5/10 was hired as a community rep for Dust 514. I just don't see how this impacts your Eve experience at all, much less to drive you to weep and gnash your teeth on the forums about how you are pulling all eleventy billion of your accounts if they don't fire someone.
You know, someone who would then be unemployed because the assumption is they left some other job to go work for CCP. Nice that you don't care if that person ends up homeless or not or has what is perhaps a dream job for them.
I mean, I am not a fan of hers at all but this rage just baffles me. Ignore her twitter feed if it really gets you that angry and keep blowing up internet spaceships content and secure that Rise and Fozzy will be guiding the future for us. |
None ofthe Above
643
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:29:00 -
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Anslo wrote:None ofthe Above wrote:You are one to talk. You posted a wall of text to hide the fact that you were reopening the "let's slag on the CCP Mintchip" thread(s), against forum rules. Your "high horse" is the height of hypocrisy. Except OP wasn't. They started a civil thread airing a concern without bashing. Your interpretation is irrelevant as it is not credible, considering you want to label the thread in such a way as to get it shut down.
Yeah yeah, subject line is cryptic and body doesn't get to the point until meandering for paragraphs... I know a smoke screen when I see one.
The post was more civil than many, I'll grant you that. Don't make me hand you a wizard hat. |
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:30:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Delen Ormand wrote: Having read through this thread and the deleted one, this 'loathing' isn't universal, not even amongst the subset of people that use the forums.
The keyword is subset. Not all people use the forums. While the anger can't be accurately measured across the whole of Eve based on forum goers, you COULD do a random sample of a few thousand people but...that's another story and me getting researchy.
It's nothing to do with sample sizes. You've quite consistently made out that "the community" has an issue with her hiring - it doesn't, a small, vocal minority of people within it do.
Although - if I concede that the sample size is too small or we don't have enough information on what the larger playerbase thinks, it then follows that it can't be claimed that a majority, or "the community" has opposition to her hiring either.
Anslo wrote: This is about her disposition towards the game and wanting to know why someone so against the :grimdark: of Eve was hired. I honestly don't care about her resume.
Sure, you can want to know, but you don't have a right to demand answers. CCP may or may not choose to make a statement about it. I'd imagine it would be quite difficult to answer it in a way that might satisfy everyone without revealing personal information from the hiring process. But to be honest, it's really none of our business. As long as she doesn't have a negative impact on the game, it's not your business. It's CCP's call.
Anslo wrote:Quote:The bit about what she brings to the table is pretty much irrelevant - she's already been hired, the decision has been made. How it was arrived at is not really our concern.
No, it is not irrelevant as it is a possible explanation for her hiring. The anti-questioning and pro-obedience rhetoric from people on these forums is getting absurd. "Question nothing. You don't need to know. Sit down and play or leave. Obey."
That's pretty much right. Until she does something that negatively impacts on your game, at least - then you actually have concrete grounds for opposing her being in her post. You want an explanation for her hiring? Tough, really. That's between her and CCP. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1771
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:34:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:Yeah yeah, subject line is cryptic and body doesn't get to the point until meandering for paragraphs... I know a smoke screen when I see one.
As opposed to rage thread #316 with defamatory remarks? It was a good way to keep the vitriol out and the conversation in.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1772
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:42:00 -
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Delen Ormand wrote:It's nothing to do with sample sizes. You've quite consistently made out that "the community" has an issue with her hiring - it doesn't, a small, vocal minority of people within it do.
Although - if I concede that the sample size is too small or we don't have enough information on what the larger playerbase thinks, it then follows that it can't be claimed that a majority, or "the community" has opposition to her hiring either. I used the term community as a catchall phrase. I apologize if it was misleading. But additionally, the contra to the claim cannot be proven either save for the threadnaughts. But I believe if you explained who this person is and why the outrage occurred, you would see similar disapproval.
Quote:Sure, you can want to know, but you don't have a right to demand answers. CCP may or may not choose to make a statement about it. I'd imagine it would be quite difficult to answer it in a way that might satisfy everyone without revealing personal information from the hiring process. But to be honest, it's really none of our business. As long as she doesn't have a negative impact on the game, it's not your business. It's CCP's call. We have the right to demand what we want. You don't dictate that. When a company champions its relationship to the community, it should not shove them off and tell them to obey when the community members ASK something simple. 'Why did you hire someone who doesn't like, and bad mouths often, Eve?'
Quote:That's pretty much right. Until she does something that negatively impacts on your game, at least - then you actually have concrete grounds for opposing her being in her post. You want an explanation for her hiring? Tough, really. That's between her and CCP. If that works for you than fine. Inquiring minds however, would like an explanation.
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Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
57
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:44:00 -
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Anslo wrote:None ofthe Above wrote:Yeah yeah, subject line is cryptic and body doesn't get to the point until meandering for paragraphs... I know a smoke screen when I see one. As opposed to rage thread #316 with defamatory remarks? It was a good way to keep the vitriol out and the conversation in. As opposed to go out, smell the flowers, do work, meet people, play EVE when feeling like it and not break rules, or try to skirt around them. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1773
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:51:00 -
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Anna Karhunen wrote:As opposed to go out, smell the flowers, do work, meet people, play EVE when feeling like it and not break rules, or try to skirt around them. As far as I can see, this thread has not skirted around any rules. It is calmly and logically bringing to question the addition of an individual.
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Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
170
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:58:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Anna Karhunen wrote:As opposed to go out, smell the flowers, do work, meet people, play EVE when feeling like it and not break rules, or try to skirt around them. As far as I can see, this thread has not skirted around any rules. It is calmly and logically bringing to question the addition of an individual.
Considering the hiring of this individual does not impact you or even the game Eve at all I fail to see why this is even your concern as to who CCP wants to be a community rep for Dust. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1773
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:12:00 -
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Kumq uat wrote:Anslo wrote:Anna Karhunen wrote:As opposed to go out, smell the flowers, do work, meet people, play EVE when feeling like it and not break rules, or try to skirt around them. As far as I can see, this thread has not skirted around any rules. It is calmly and logically bringing to question the addition of an individual. Considering the hiring of this individual does not impact you or even the game Eve at all I fail to see why this is even your concern as to who CCP wants to be a community rep for Dust.
Because I do not lack foresight.
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Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
170
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:19:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Kumq uat wrote:Anslo wrote:Anna Karhunen wrote:As opposed to go out, smell the flowers, do work, meet people, play EVE when feeling like it and not break rules, or try to skirt around them. As far as I can see, this thread has not skirted around any rules. It is calmly and logically bringing to question the addition of an individual. Considering the hiring of this individual does not impact you or even the game Eve at all I fail to see why this is even your concern as to who CCP wants to be a community rep for Dust. Because I do not lack foresight.
More like because you are an alarmist idiot.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1773
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:25:00 -
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Kumq uat wrote:More like because you are an alarmist idiot. And thus begins the ad hominem. Bets on when absurdo starts?
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Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:32:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:It's nothing to do with sample sizes. You've quite consistently made out that "the community" has an issue with her hiring - it doesn't, a small, vocal minority of people within it do.
Although - if I concede that the sample size is too small or we don't have enough information on what the larger playerbase thinks, it then follows that it can't be claimed that a majority, or "the community" has opposition to her hiring either.
I used the term community as a catchall phrase. I apologize if it was misleading. But additionally, the contra to the claim cannot be proven either save for the threadnaughts. But I believe if you explained who this person is and why the outrage occurred, you would see similar disapproval.
Ok, so neither of us can claim to know what the overall playerbase opinion is. A threadnaught just means a lot of people posted. It doesn't say how many were on each side, or how representative those opinions were. What is a fact (yup, it really is one this time) is that out of the overall playerbase, a minority of people voiced disapproval on the forums.
Anslo wrote:Quote:Sure, you can want to know, but you don't have a right to demand answers. CCP may or may not choose to make a statement about it. I'd imagine it would be quite difficult to answer it in a way that might satisfy everyone without revealing personal information from the hiring process. But to be honest, it's really none of our business. As long as she doesn't have a negative impact on the game, it's not your business. It's CCP's call.
We have the right to demand what we want. You don't dictate that. When a company champions its relationship to the community, it should not shove them off and tell them to obey when the community members ASK something simple. 'Why did you hire someone who doesn't like, and bad mouths often, Eve?'
Ok, maybe that was poorly worded on my part. Of course you have the right to demand answers. You just don't have the right to answers. CCP has the right to ignore you. You can have the opinion that this wouldn't be good business sense for them to do so, but what makes good business sense for them is something that they'll decide for themselves. Personally, I don't think that listening to customers is always a good idea - they see things from their own point of view, and that's not always the same point of view that a business needs to take.
Also, from what I've seen, saying she doesn't like and often badmouths the game seems a little misrepresentative. Maybe I'm missing the smoking gun evidence here, but the opinions I saw were pretty tame and were about a section of the playerbase rather than the game as a whole. Am I missing something? Are there pics out there of her eating Chribba's firstborn or something?
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Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:34:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Kumq uat wrote:Anslo wrote:Anna Karhunen wrote:As opposed to go out, smell the flowers, do work, meet people, play EVE when feeling like it and not break rules, or try to skirt around them. As far as I can see, this thread has not skirted around any rules. It is calmly and logically bringing to question the addition of an individual. Considering the hiring of this individual does not impact you or even the game Eve at all I fail to see why this is even your concern as to who CCP wants to be a community rep for Dust. Because I do not lack foresight.
You believe you don't - how true that is remains to be seen |
Nytak
Serpent Securities Inc. The Methodical Alliance
23
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:38:00 -
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The number of pilots who became hiring managers overnight is staggering. |
Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
171
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:38:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Kumq uat wrote:More like because you are an alarmist idiot. And thus begins the ad hominem. Bets on when absurdo starts?
You are trying to couch your outrage in pseudo intellectual terms as if it gives it any modicum of validity which it does not. In a previous post which you ignored I stated why you are in fact a butthurt idiot which you deftly ignored because it took a proverbial dildo bat to the skull of your argument. Keep trying to act like it is an intellectual discourse that has relevance, because the fact is you are just as much of a whiny baby concerned with things that are not your business as the people in the previous threads making vulgar remarks. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1773
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:39:00 -
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Delen Ormand wrote:Ok, so neither of us can claim to know what the overall playerbase opinion is. A threadnaught just means a lot of people posted. It doesn't say how many were on each side, or how representative those opinions were. What is a fact (yup, it really is one this time) is that out of the overall playerbase, a minority of people voiced disapproval on the forums. That's fair. I can concede that the amount of people against her in the thread is smaller than the current subscribed player base.
Anslo wrote:Ok, maybe that was poorly worded on my part. Of course you have the right to demand answers. You just don't have the right to answers. CCP has the right to ignore you. You can have the opinion that this wouldn't be good business sense for them to do so, but what makes good business sense for them is something that they'll decide for themselves. Personally, I don't think that listening to customers is always a good idea - they see things from their own point of view, and that's not always the same point of view that a business needs to take. True. I'm looking at the problem from a more relational sense. The company is dependent on a rather passionate player base, so watching and planning around reactions of that base (or planning ahead) is key. But from a purely business perspective...who knows? I just thought it a bad move to hire her, of all the people available, to rep anything related to CCP.
Quote:Also, from what I've seen, saying she doesn't like and often badmouths the game seems a little misrepresentative. Maybe I'm missing the smoking gun evidence here, but the opinions I saw were pretty tame and were about a section of the playerbase rather than the game as a whole. Am I missing something? Are there pics out there of her eating Chribba's firstborn or something?
Chribba does not have children. He reproduces by tearing the fabric of space time and cloning himself. In regards to her comments; she deleted them. Twitter, TY, FB, blog, all deleted. She forgot her Twitter and someone screen capped it right before she deleted it though.
Delen Ormand wrote:You believe you don't - how true that is remains to be seen True. I sort of hope I'm wrong about the person. But I still worry about someone who doesn't like the game working for the game in any capacity. I mean look at other CCPers. They all love this game and dedicate themselves to it and make it insanely good. What happens when you throw apathy into the works though?
Like I said, hope I'm wrong.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1773
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:44:00 -
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Kumq uat wrote:You are trying to couch your outrage in pseudo intellectual terms as if it gives it any modicum of validity which it does not. So stating observable facts and developing a potential explanation is invalid? Funny, I thought that's how a lot of things work...science, math, etc. Interesting.
Quote:In a previous post which you ignored I stated why you are in fact a butthurt idiot which you deftly ignored because it took a proverbial dildo bat to the skull of your argument. Link the post or post the post number. Also...you think using colorful metaphors somehow makes you more credible?
Quote:Keep trying to act like it is an intellectual discourse that has relevance, because the fact is you are just as much of a whiny baby concerned with things that are not your business as the people in the previous threads making vulgar remarks. If it doesn't have relevance, why are you here? If you don't like whining, why are you whining?
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Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
172
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:48:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3158356#post3158356
Now hush, read, and bow to the logic of your betters. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables
88
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:49:00 -
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Anslo wrote: In regards to her comments; she deleted them. Twitter, TY, FB, blog, all deleted. She forgot her Twitter and someone screen capped it right before she deleted it though.
Therein lies a lot of the problem. Those who don't get it now probably never will. Everything just looks like "he said/she said" to the newcomer on this topic, because she purged just about all of the evidence being held up against her. It's basically the equivalent of trying to prove someone guilty in court after they were allowed to ransack the evidence room and burn the contents. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1773
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:55:00 -
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Indeed.
Kumq uat wrote:Maybe I am just too intelligent to understand the common rabble but I just do not understand why so many people are so butthurt that they would threaten to leave the game because a kinda annoying 5/10 was hired as a community rep for Dust 514. I just don't see how this impacts your Eve experience at all, much less to drive you to weep and gnash your teeth on the forums about how you are pulling all eleventy billion of your accounts if they don't fire someone.
Please see this post where it highlights why there is outrage. You should have read the thread in its entirety. Also, I did not say I was quitting, I was pointing out logical fallacies and showing that the outrage is not due to misogynistic reasons, but actual credible concerns.
Quote:You know, someone who would then be unemployed because the assumption is they left some other job to go work for CCP. Nice that you don't care if that person ends up homeless or not or has what is perhaps a dream job for them. Choices have consequences. If you wanted a job at the New York Times as a journalist, but bashed them as being nonfactual and tabloid journalists for years on end, you will most likely not get hired. They don't care if you're about to go on the street. No one does. That's the world we live in. No one is obligated to coddle or assist anyone, least of all businesses.
Quote:I mean, I am not a fan of hers at all but this rage just baffles me. Ignore her twitter feed if it really gets you that angry and keep blowing up internet spaceships content and secure that Rise and Fozzy will be guiding the future for us. If she had got hired somewhere else, I wouldn't care. I don't follow her Twitter or...anything for that matter. Not my cup of tea. It is the fact that a rep, a face of Eve, is now someone who demonstratively dislikes Eve, its players, and the :grimdark: that makes Eve what it is.
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