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Drakxter
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Posted - 2005.11.07 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: kieron Three, leave your comments about the GM team off of the forums. Thank you very much. They do a very thankless job and should not have to put up with uninformed opinions.
Kieron.. They might do a thankless job, but that does not mean we have to put up with everything they do, because even the GMs might be wrong, why.. Because they are human.
Based on what I just have read today, reguarding the naming, that silly raffel idea, and oveurs more and more troll like replies, I gotta say, CCP went down a few steps on my "I like you'o'meter"
Now.. I hope you dont ban people for letting you know how they feel (aka telling the truth). -------------
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2005.11.07 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Summersnow
You guys should pay a little attention to WoW's message boards
This is an eve forum so the mods/GMs read only this forum. We all hate WoW.
Originally by: MuthaTrucka The situation should have been resolved before it came to this. Past actions and inactions Directly contribute to the fever that has taken over this discussion. name change petitions regardless if they are retributive or not need to be looked at since the only time your GM teams decides to look at that paticular EULA clause is when they are petitioned. Your very inaction at this point as caused a cascade of EULA petitions on Names. Your own stated non omnipotence and lack of enforcing the EULA clause when it was encountered, Your policy of waiting until a petition was filed has caused this spamming of the system with so called retributive petitions.
Any unenforced policy will cause this sort of backlash in the event of actually enforcing it at a later date while before you turned a blind eye to it. This is only the beginning of a cavalcade of various EULA petitions. Now that it is Out that You only Enforce policies when brought to your attention.
So time to Research the Eula to see exactly what the Next policy to start being enforced is. Oh and Kieron while you are at it maybe you ned to put down in writing the Policies that are Enferced as opposed to the ones that are not. make it easy for the community to actualy pick one to use.
I think this answers it:
Originally by: kieron All I am asking for is a chance for CCP and the GMs to discuss the issue, make a decision and act upon it. Spamming the support queue with retributive name change petitions and bashing the GMs and/or CCP for past actions, policies and a lack of omnipotence does nothing to resolve the situation.
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Fellhand
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Posted - 2005.11.07 21:24:00 -
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First time I saw the Band Of Brothers corp name, I presumed it was a reference to the St. Crispin's Day speech ("we few, we happy few, we band of brothers") and I had no idea what 4S meant, I thought it was just a random corp name.
This does raise the question: I'm partly Roma and partly English. Would my corp name be summarily changed if I referenced Her Majesty or the Opre Roma in the name? _______________________________________________ There is no such thing as too much cynicism
Flame me if you wish, I laugh with scorn at threats...
Beware of geeks bearing gifs
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s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2005.11.07 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Top Hat I work for a company where I have to listen to customers moan to myself I dont threaten to stop their product because they said I was doing a bad job or a co-worker was, learn some customer care.
Quoted for truth, i too work in technical customer support and omg, if i was to pull this **** off at ANY of the companies I worked for (HP, ING Bank, Baker & McKenzie lawfirm) they would have fired the whole support group and outsourced.
Check all the links i posted, all i still can say after all your "explanations" = owned.
Proud CEO of the I have a mirel yirrin corpse and do freaky things to it club. Convo me ingame for details on how to join, and a free " I ♥ mirel yirrin Ö" Bumpersticker!! |
Metternich Stele
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Posted - 2005.11.07 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Aurelius Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 07/11/2005 20:59:13
Originally by: Metternich Stele Posted about one month ago
Originally by: zincol As From today S.A.S will no longer be accepting contracts,starting wars or fighting under the S.A.S name.
S.A.S will be closing down in the next few days due to inactive members.
Members that are active will be looking for a new PVP corp if you have a home for us please evemail me details. (Mainly Euro Players)
Maybe one day S.A.S will rise from the ashes as it did before,Till then its Closed/Inactive.
To those involved G/L and have fun.
Yes it's official the world really did end the day SAS got a name change. The masses of inactive players must be going crazy over their precious corp name.
OMG there are some drama queens in this game.
CIHYS for the ones who are leaving or get banned for petition exploiting?
SAS reformed mroe recently FYI
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
SAS reformed mroe recently FYI
Things change fast in the world of eve but tantrums tend be short lived. You'll get over this with a bit councelling, the tears will dry up and there will be a whole new set of quit worthy, world ending CCP atrocities for the forum whingers to get into hissing fit about.
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s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2005.11.07 21:40:00 -
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PS : Aren't there tons of backlogged petitions that DO require attention ?
Proud CEO of the I have a mirel yirrin corpse and do freaky things to it club. Convo me ingame for details on how to join, and a free " I ♥ mirel yirrin Ö" Bumpersticker!! |
Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.11.07 21:44:00 -
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You lot are aware CCP have to choose between two evils here right?
One option is to change SASs name back, make a public apology and potentially ban the guys who obviously petitioned SAS just because they're ingame enemies.
Other option is they won't change the name back, and CCP are going to get flooded with complaints about every single NPC corp name they came up with - and with good reason.
Neither is something they want, obviously. Although the choice is simple from a customer POV.
Better make that a good apology.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2005.11.07 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Metternich Stele Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
SAS reformed mroe recently FYI
Things change fast in the world of eve but tantrums tend be short lived. You'll get over this with a bit councelling, the tears will dry up and there will be a whole new set of quit worthy, world ending CCP atrocities for the forum whingers to get into hissing fit about.
I'm not in SAS, nor have I ever been. I dont care about their name.
I care about how the petition system is being abused to grief others. That's the only issue here.
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JForce
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Posted - 2005.11.07 21:46:00 -
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JForce CEO and Founder of NWA NWA now recruiting
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2005.11.07 21:55:00 -
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Ok. From a SAS member to the dev team. I do understand the need to keep sertain political ties off the game. And it should after all be some form of rule to follow conserning staying in good taste.
Now. If you really think S.A.S is an bannable name. You really have to do it across the line and not just us. You need to change a LOT of names to stick in line whit this rule. And lets be honnest. That is not practical. I can agree you banning the name if it was outright offencive. But I cannot agree whit it being offencive or out of taste.
So I feel there have to be some common sence guiding the banning of corp names, etc. And it shouldn't be banned whitout atleast talking to us or informing us of the action well before you actually did it. How it was done was nothing less than bad form.
There was no other justification giving for banning the name other than that is was in breach whit the eula. So either you have to continue following the rule and do it across the board. Or you change the rule and let us keep the name.
SoonÖ
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Astar Null
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Posted - 2005.11.07 21:58:00 -
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I petition the Khanid empire. It was the name of a Mesopotamium empire. I think Amarr empire 002 is a better name. Where do I send the petition?
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2005.11.07 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Hellspawn01 on 07/11/2005 22:00:03
Originally by: Elve Sorrow You lot are aware CCP have to choose between two evils here right?
One option is to change SASs name back, make a public apology and potentially ban the guys who obviously petitioned SAS just because they're ingame enemies.
Other option is they won't change the name back, and CCP are going to get flooded with complaints about every single NPC corp name they came up with - and with good reason.
Neither is something they want, obviously. Although the choice is simple from a customer POV.
Better make that a good apology.
I vote for the first option.
Btw, my ingame name is connected to a very famous comic book and movie. I wonder what Amarr Citizen I will be BlogÖ |
Rekh Wuthrich
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:11:00 -
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I think all of the points have been made, all of which are valid. However, we need to just take a breath, relax, and see what CCP decide on the issue.
Let's at least give them a bit of time to work out the what happened internally and render a decision.
Then if you don't like it, flame on.
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Astar Null
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:13:00 -
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I petition the following firms, alliances:
Shinra, its a real world organization: http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dvd/ff7ac/shinra/
Oh yeah. NORAD, American / Canadian defense organization
xelas, real firm http://www.xelas.com/
force of evil -- its a real band and thats a copywright infringement: http://www.forceofevil.net/
razor -- real firm http://www.razor.com/
r.i.s.k -- its an american board game
huzzah federation has a pot leaf as a logo. Is CCP condoning illegal activities now?
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:28:00 -
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Quote: huzzah federation has a pot leaf as a logo. Is CCP condoning illegal activities now?
noo, dont kill the space hippies!! -------------------------
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Nim Nom
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:33:00 -
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Tolerance (sp), is prob the whole reason that we as a race of humans have never got on in a grand scale, and imho RL politic should be kept out of GAME!
As someone previously stated, if both 4S and SAS corp names are made permenent the following needs to happen;
1) All playernames / Corp names and tickers/ Alliances must be changed so that they dont break the EULA 2) Clearer guidelines on what is and what is not accptable.
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:37:00 -
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Oh. Btw. We where never warned that the corp name whould change. At all. Not before it changed and not after. We had to find out ourself from the forum. Again very bad form. SoonÖ
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
Originally by: dealsrus this is all well and good but it doesnt explain why it has taken 2 years or more to decide that a corps name is offensive does it?
The GMs and CCP staff deal with issues like this when a petition is submitted, an e-mail sent to the Devs, or they notice it in-game. We're not omnipotent and cannot catch everything immediately.
Correct.
Instead of being omnipotent CCP is slow, unprofessional and act in a completely capricious manner.
If this were actually such a big problem then the entire corp creaction process would be different. Every corp name would have to have been checked by GMs and support staff before the corporation could even be created. You cannot appeal to "rules so important that they were created before the game" to justify acting with an almost 3 year lag time. Either the rule was never very important, which explains why the corporations whose names are currently being changed have been around for so long without CCP taking any action, or you guys have just been ignoring perhaps your most importantly liability protecting rule for the entire time EVE has been active.
The real truth is that you guys are far more interested in getting people to send in their monthly subscriptions than you are in treating them with proper respect and professionalism. If someone threatens you in a manner in which you are liable (i.e allowing registered trademarks or national symbols to be used in your game), you are far happier to stomp on any number of paying customers than to actually do the due diligence that is demanded of you. After all, its cheaper to treat a few hundred customers like garbage, most of whom won't even stop paying, than it is to hire a number of new full time employees.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: Kyguard on 07/11/2005 22:40:12 You deleted one of my posts, which compared to some of the other people here is nothing offensive, yet the "major" groups of Eve get to post whatever the hell they want with a minor editing in theirs. Afraid of retribution or just because they post more often than me?
Oh, lets not forget.
The "Caldari" name needs to be changed because it is a famous wine producing town in Italy, which can also be found on wine bottles.
CCP is slowly getting its letters replaced by "W", "o", and "W". --
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Grimster
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:45:00 -
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I guess were it a clear cut EULA breach and all was well with the petition system, there'd be no question of things even being thought about internally by CCP, it'd just happen.
Have the GM's gone about this the wrong way? Yes, of course.
People shouldn't threaten to spam the petition system tbh, that really won't fix anything and the dissent in the playerbase over this is immediately obvious to anyone looking at the forums, from the playerbase view it sucks, and I suspect policing whether a name is offensive or not is prolly not the way to do things after 2.5 years. I mean, hell, there's even a corp called Adolphs Angels ffs!!1
Either filter this stuff on creation or leave be, in the meantime, it's prolly good to reverse the decision made on the very long standing corp names already in use.
All my personal opinion blah blah..
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Camel S
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
All I am asking for is a chance for CCP and the GMs to discuss the issue, make a decision and act upon it. Spamming the support queue with retributive name change petitions and bashing the GMs and/or CCP for past actions, policies and a lack of omnipotence does nothing to resolve the situation.
This is a good idea, taking 5 minutes to think and discuss an issue before insulting your entire customer base. Another good idea is to not threaten your customers with repercussion where a simple notification would suffice.
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Dezzyb0y
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:47:00 -
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I'm not gonna be serious because quite frankly this whole situation is a **** take. Your running your buisiness alot like one of my old bosses did before he started cutting my pay cheque and eventually leading to me quitting. For you this whole game seems like its all about money.
One person (lets not name names, but he's been a big forum ***** and involved in alot of conflict with both corps), Has pettitioned their names. Based on the fact its linked to real life?
Well **** me, does that mean i can petition blacklight tomorrow because when i was a child a lightbulb fell on my head and i now cant see through one eye? (obviously its fake but sounds as justifiable as these corp petitions).
Kieron from your posts you made it sound like a decsision hadnt been reached, if this is the case then why have they had their name changed? Surley it would be easier to do your "research" before changing the name. "Comman sence!?"
K nough of a rant me thinks... (awaits warning emails)
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DevBlogHaxor
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: DevBlogHaxor on 07/11/2005 22:50:33
Originally by: kieron All I am asking for is a chance for CCP and the GMs to discuss the issue, make a decision and act upon it. Spamming the support queue with retributive name change petitions and bashing the GMs and/or CCP for past actions, policies and a lack of omnipotence does nothing to resolve the situation.
Wouldn't it make sense to do this before changing the corps name?
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Grimster
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:49:00 -
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BTW Dezzy, your sig scares me and brings back frightening memories of earlier abuse.. Clicking petition now..
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Grimster BTW Dezzy, your sig scares me and brings back frightening memories of earlier abuse.. Clicking petition now..
Oh btw, Kieron your avatar reminds me of a man who once gave me an evil stare, do I petition in-game or to you? --
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Metternich Stele
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:57:00 -
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Take a look at the strictly enforced character naming policies of Blizzard, Verant or others if you want a preview of what you'll be getting as a result of this little drama. There will be an awful lot of you running around as eveplayerxxxxx pretty soon I think
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Crystal Starbreeze
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:01:00 -
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Keiron makes a good point. Allow them to discuss it. Give it a couple days. Keep posting your opinions here as I am sure they read them and they WILL influence the decision that is made. But seriously lets stop the GM flames and the griefing with petitioning everybody corp name. It wont get you anywhere but **** the GMS off and make them feel unwilling to resolve the situation amicably.
OH for the record......I am 100% against the name changes and think that both corps should get the corp names back. I dont see anyway in which those names are offensive. Also the community does make a good point...if you are going to enforce policy on one you have to do it on all, alienating a very large proportion of the gaming communtity.
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Cookie
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Metternich Stele [...] There will be an awful lot of you running around as eveplayerxxxxx pretty soon I think
maybe, just maybe it's some sort of masterplan from CCP.
They just created eMail-pvp to reduce lag in-game.
Then .. when all names were replaced by numbers we'll all meet up in Oursarelag and fight the final battle, even vs odd numbers.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:11:00 -
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The use of trademarked names in a non-educational manner for an organizational is generally prohibited by international and national law, and I believe Iceland is a signor to the TRIPS intellectual property agreement. Instead of opening the doors to potential litigation and cease-and-desist orders from big corporations with very expensive lawyers like Microsoft, IBM, etc. it only makes sense for CCP to just make the "OMG HILARIOUS" corps that are so unoriginal that they can't come up with a non-trademarked name to change theirs.
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Obidios
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Top Hat Moderated. As I stated before, the GMs do a thankless task with the direction they have been given. GM bashing will not be tolerated. -kieron
Why should th GM's be thanked? It's their job and they are getting paid, volenteers would be different. -----------------
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