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Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:53:00 -
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Alexander Yukari wrote:Sir Livingston wrote:It's official. This quote is from the patch notes for June 4th http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for"Exploration & Deadspace Strategic Cruisers have been removed from the list of ships allowed to enter 3/10 and 4/10 complexes. Randomly spawned large asteroids have been removed from wormhole mining sites. 4/10 DED Complexes no longer allow Strategic Cruisers to enter." This is completely pointless. Any t2 cruiser is allready overkill for 3/10 and 4/10.. Tank and firepower aren`t an issue with such sites , t3s were used for the sake of being nice package with tank/dps and scan bonuses. I hope sigils and watch sites haven`t been changed too. Now I will have to reship every-time I find 3-4/10 or just lose time and loot. Good job on making both my tengu and legion quite ussles in high sec. Or just give us T2 exploration cruiser...
They removed the need to fit expanded launchers to highsec PVE boats (making the exploration fit easier for low cpu hacs), they also added a module which does the scan bonusing, and highsec is littered with stations if it turns out you are too personally useless to run the easily cheesed by range ded 4s without refitting.
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Haulin Gneiss
sweet riders
104
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:17:00 -
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Pipernelli Spacemitt wrote:Sir Livingston wrote:It's official. This quote is from the patch notes for June 4th http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for"Exploration & Deadspace Strategic Cruisers have been removed from the list of ships allowed to enter 3/10 and 4/10 complexes. Randomly spawned large asteroids have been removed from wormhole mining sites. 4/10 DED Complexes no longer allow Strategic Cruisers to enter." This patch just gets better and better. One more round of things that make awful players mad and I might have to send CCP a gift basket.
are you part of the marketing department or damage control? Whenever someone voices a complaint you either use the word "tears" to diminishing effect or offer no productive commentary otherwise. Post something positive/constructive for a change. |
Pipernelli Spacemitt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:21:00 -
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Haulin Gneiss wrote: Post something positive/constructive for a change.
I could list one of the dozens of non t3 ships you could use to accomplish the same task, but that would reward your tears with something other than the scorn they rightfully deserve.
Spare the sod, spoil the man-child. |
Zircon Dasher
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:22:00 -
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Haulin Gneiss wrote: are you part of the marketing department or damage control? Whenever someone voices a complaint you either use the word "tears" to diminishing effect or offer no productive commentary otherwise. Post something positive/constructive for a change.
Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
Fayth Noor
Celestial Century
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:31:00 -
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Does this even matter? I mean, I'm pretty new to Eve, but I don't see the big deal. The only thing that steered me towards a skill plan to make use of T3 cruisers (I can't use them yet) was the fact that they were able to easily fit an Expanded Probe Launcher to cherry pick 4/10s. With DSPs gone, there are plenty of other ships that will clear the site just as quickly.
Honestly, the change seems kind of redundant to me, except to push high sec explorers into a wider variety of equally (or close enough) capable ships for the task. |
Alexander Yukari
TerraNovae Workers Trade Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.06.05 06:44:00 -
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Oh snap forum ate post.. brb. |
Sylvia Nardieu
audacity.
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:16:00 -
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During one of those pre-Odyssey live chats last week, CCP Fozzie said that tech 3's were too efficient at completing those sites, hence the decision to ban them from entering. Obviously, this 'too efficient' argument is the silliest thing he could have pulled out of the bag since it can be applied to a vast array of situations in which a ship which is designed for a specific purpose is (the most) efficient at doing it. Why not prohibit carriers from acting as logi for sub-cap boats since they are too efficient at that in comparison to a dedicated t2 logi for example?
So, while realistically tech3's were a bit too much to take into most of those sites, they were an option available to every single player interested in exploration. The 'problem' (if there was one to start with) was cherry picking sites, which could have been dealt with in various other ways.
Looking at the recent changes I feel as if CCP don't really care much for people trying their hand at lowsec explo and industry. They removed static ded 1 and 2s (which was a good thing) but also removed 1 and 2 spawns in general from lowsec without providing replacement content. They turned grav belts into anomalies instead of sigs rendering lowsec mining pretty much impossible for any practical purpose. They only partially introduced some of the announced buffs to industry in fw space (Pos fuel bonues according to upgrade status, anyone?). And now this change which influences lowsec explorers more then their hisec counterparts, and which happened due to hisec whining (so nothing to do with lowsec).
Best part of all - this change was never discussed on forums (not that it would change anything) as all attempts to get some feedback from devs were pretty much ignored. |
Dzajic
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:18:00 -
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Oh dear, you cant blitz all 4/10s in highsec in a afternoon? Woe to thee. As if actually doing the site was ever the time consuming thing. Noob tip, you can do every Serpentis and Gursitas highsec site in a Ishkur. If you refit all the time (huge time sink, and some systems even in highsec may not have a station) you can also probe down every highsec site with that Ishkur. If you wanted to spend ages and kite like a boss you could also do them in a Vexor. Though hardest unrakned highsec combat sites will murder anything with T1 resists. |
Sylvia Nardieu
audacity.
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:11:00 -
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Dzajic wrote:Oh dear, you cant blitz all 4/10s in highsec in a afternoon? Woe to thee. As if actually doing the site was ever the time consuming thing. Noob tip, you can do every Serpentis and Gursitas highsec site in a Ishkur. If you refit all the time (huge time sink, and some systems even in highsec may not have a station) you can also probe down every highsec site with that Ishkur. If you wanted to spend ages and kite like a boss you could also do them in a Vexor. Though hardest unrakned highsec combat sites will murder anything with T1 resists.
I don't care for hisec tbh. |
Charlie Jacobson
190
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:55:00 -
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Sorry to hijack a rage thread, but what ships would you guys recommend for 4/10s now? I haven't really dabbled much in exploration before, so I have no idea what to expect from the combat sites. |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1416
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:47:00 -
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Alexander Yukari wrote:I bet you have never been to khanid or few other good places to explore which lack stations. T3s as rounded up packages supported nomadic-like lifestyle of explores. One ship to do it all.
Yea and my favorite ship hands down is the Ishtar. Better DPS in a no ammo config. Can fit all the modules you need. The only thing it doesn't have is the scanning bonus, which has never really hurt me that much. |
Fayth Noor
Celestial Century
1
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Posted - 2013.06.06 00:49:00 -
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I've found the buffed Navy Vexor to be incredibly competent. You don't need T2 resist for a 4/10, and the tracking bonus is better than the drone bay bonus on the Ishtar. That being said, I only do GSO's in high sec so I don't know if it would be worse in other 4/10s. I use an MWD to have a better chance at competing with other explorers, so I can easily return my sentries and grab the loot with the all the aggro in the second room and warp out with like 3/4 armor left.
I'll probably just use the Navy Vexor until the Ishtar is looked at, since I'm pretty sure you can get more DPS out of it, and tank isn't really an issue. (in high sec GSO's anyway, like I said, no experience elsewhere) |
Amakish
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.06.06 16:05:00 -
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disallowing a cruiser in sites designed for cruiser and battlecruisers... wow....
doesnt even solve the freaking issue....
HAC's will just do the same thing as T3's used to do....
only "problem" it cant really scan by itself very well unless you have good skills so alot of people will simple use an alt?
the arguement just go to low is invalid.... stated 100000 times
if i wanna pvp, i'll go pvp in low in a ship i can afford to lose and which doenst cost me x days of training....
and all you pro's out there who say:" only noobs lose t3's in low" good for you... some of us arnt hardcore low sec players yet and some of us might never be....
as alot of people suggested jsut change the damn site.... take the spawn trigger for the "loot pinata" the last normal rat in the site or a random rat....
i admit that i used to blitz then but if i was forced to clear the entire site i would bring my alt along to salvage it since that would be a minor time sink with some reward.... instead of being toally not worth it...
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Ivian Khorn
PROSPERO Corporation MinTek Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:06:00 -
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I`v agree if it removed ONLY from 3/10, but return it to 4/10! some BC and their T2 versions can bring MORE DPS then T3! And for logic- they have more mass to bypass the gate. Command ships has more tank and damage. And with their perfect skills has no matter bonus to probe strength.
or, somebody say an idea - Make T2 exploration cruiser |
Amakish
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.06.07 11:25:00 -
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i have a sacriledge on my mind but requires somewhat high scanning skills but it has a solid tank and the same dps as a drake -_- which is sad....
but u can also just scan with an alt which im pretty much planning to do if the sacrilege proves to have too low scan str...
only problem with the sacriledge is the short range on the assault missiles... |
Julius Priscus
114
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Posted - 2013.06.07 11:32:00 -
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Amakish wrote: HAC's will just do the same thing as T3's used to do....
no..
hacs will once again do what t3's used to do for t2's before CCP introduced em. -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |
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