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Enochx Kaine
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.24 18:50:00 -
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What should I do now? I should probably do the story arc I read about somewhere right? THe sisters of eve or something?
But while I am doing those missions, should I dabble in whatever career I choose? or should I just focus on those missions? SPeaking of careers.....what is the most common career in the game? WHat is the hardest?
I read that I should focus on one thing or the other, but I don't understand exactly how to do that. Can someone lead me to some sort of explanation or guide? I kind of want a PVP hybrid type thing. I want to PVP from time to time...like faction wars looks cool, but I want to make money in PVE.
I am confused...help. |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
2217
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Posted - 2013.05.24 19:22:00 -
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Enochx Kaine wrote:What should I do now? I should probably do the story arc I read about somewhere right? THe sisters of eve or something?
But while I am doing those missions, should I dabble in whatever career I choose? or should I just focus on those missions? SPeaking of careers.....what is the most common career in the game? WHat is the hardest?
I read that I should focus on one thing or the other, but I don't understand exactly how to do that. Can someone lead me to some sort of explanation or guide? I kind of want a PVP hybrid type thing. I want to PVP from time to time...like faction wars looks cool, but I want to make money in PVE.
I am confused...help.
Specialization is good...true
But TRY out things that spot your interest first, you can't specialize if you don't know what you like to do.
Also, the "professions" are just general options, in the end your imagination is the only boundary to what you can be.
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Should help you to give you a broad idea what is around, but as said, if it ain't on that chart doesn't mean you can't do it. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Request to CCP: Please patch stupidity out of the game for Winter 2013. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
Enochx Kaine
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.24 20:30:00 -
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Can you give me a link with some examples of how to specialize? Some sort of guide post or something. I know this isn't like other MMO's, and thats why I think I am hooked....but I am just lost right now I think. I just need a hint on which way is north and which way is south. I can make my way after I get a general idea i think. |
Bree Okanata
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.24 20:35:00 -
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The Sisters of EVE is the Story Arc that comes next, after the Career agents. It's mostly just simple combat missions with a few courier thrown in. It can get rough at some times though, so be careful with it.
As far as the most common "Career" I think PvP is the most common, and mission running is also up there. Mission running will make money whereas PvP will lose you money. The hardest career (in my opinion) would be industry and trade, only because industry is confusing to learn at first, and trade requires a HUGE amount of time, dealing with people undercutting you. Mining is decent, but doesn't pay that well if you stick to Hi-Sec. |
Enochx Kaine
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.24 20:53:00 -
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Bree Okanata wrote:The Sisters of EVE is the Story Arc that comes next, after the Career agents. It's mostly just simple combat missions with a few courier thrown in. It can get rough at some times though, so be careful with it.
As far as the most common "Career" I think PvP is the most common, and mission running is also up there. Mission running will make money whereas PvP will lose you money. The hardest career (in my opinion) would be industry and trade, only because industry is confusing to learn at first, and trade requires a HUGE amount of time, dealing with people undercutting you. Mining is decent, but doesn't pay that well if you stick to Hi-Sec.
when you say "PvP" as a career choice, Like what exactly do you mean? I am interested in PvP'ing from time to time...like I was reading about the faction warfare things a little bit...and that sounds cool to do from time to time.
can I be effective at something like that while doing something else also....like exploration.
Do you sort of understand what I am saying? It's difficult to explain lol. I keep wanting to say "look...i KNOW I probably won't ever be able to raid in the 25 man raids because well I have real life restrictions and quite honestly playing a game 12 hours a day unitl I am geared enough to be effective would make me want to die. But I AM interested in maybe running some high-end 5 or 10 man heroic raids. Should I be able to do that in less than 5 years of my life if I do some battlegrounds from time to time? Or should I just grind it out. I don't want to be useless like a ret pally pre BC in WoW."
Maybe what I am saying is this....I probably won't get a titan and run things either pve or pvp where a titan would be usefull. But I kind of like a couple of the other bigger type ships. If I spend a fair amount of time exploring or mining or trading, will I still be able to be an effitive battleship pilot in a faction warfare scenerio or a pvp player corp and be effective...not driven out of the galaxy like a ret pally pre-BC in WoW with my tail between my legs.
I don't even know if I am making sense. |
Enochx Kaine
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.24 20:56:00 -
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Maybe I am still thinking too linear. I just want to eventually fly a big ship and blow up NPC's and players from time to time. |
Zak Breen
Aliastra
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Posted - 2013.05.24 21:19:00 -
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Enochx Kaine wrote:Maybe I am still thinking too linear. I just want to eventually fly a big ship and blow up NPC's and players from time to time.
Keep in mind that bigger ships aren't always better. But, to address this, you should run missions and as you progress you'll get bigger ships and better skills. If you don't like PvP, you can start to train up other skills - industry, salvaging, exploration, etc., but having a good combat base is always wise. Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of not knowing. |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.24 21:24:00 -
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Enochx Kaine wrote:can I be effective at something like that while doing something else also....like exploration. Most likely not, but it's a human restriction, not a game restriction.
Even with 0 skills you can still be useful as a scout and it doesn't take that long to train for e.g. "hero-tackling". Exploration skills will actually be very useful in PvP too, as they help both scanning down anomalies and players.
However, if you only PvP very rarely, your skills (as a player, in your human brain) might not be there. To use your WoW anology: in EVE, you will have no issue with your "gear" because you can buy anything you need and you will have the skill points. But if you never stepped in that raid, you will not know the mechanics and the group will be slowed because it needs to explain them to you and you'll still make mistakes. And even if you know the raid, if it has been a month that you'll done it, you'll perform poorer, because you are out of practice.
You might overcome this, but you will most likely lose if you attempt solo PvP.
Now, in EVE there is no fixed group size and in a fleet, usually one player more is always better. Even if he does nothing, he'll still act as a decoy. But then, many players are paranoid about spies and might not take you if you haven't build a good reputation.
My suggestion is to find a corp that suits your playstyle - one that allows you to do your PvE activities and also has a PvP department that is willing to take noobs in their fleets, as long as they can follow orders. The problem is that many good PvP corps are exclusively PvP. But maybe EVE Uni would be a decent match. |
Enochx Kaine
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.24 21:41:00 -
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Thomas Builder wrote:Enochx Kaine wrote:can I be effective at something like that while doing something else also....like exploration. Most likely not, but it's a human restriction, not a game restriction. Even with 0 skills you can still be useful as a scout and it doesn't take that long to train for e.g. "hero-tackling". Exploration skills will actually be very useful in PvP too, as they help both scanning down anomalies and players. However, if you only PvP very rarely, your skills (as a player, in your human brain) might not be there. To use your WoW anology: in EVE, you will have no issue with your "gear" because you can buy anything you need and you will have the skill points. But if you never stepped in that raid, you will not know the mechanics and the group will be slowed because it needs to explain them to you and you'll still make mistakes. And even if you know the raid, if it has been a month that you'll done it, you'll perform poorer, because you are out of practice. You might overcome this, but you will most likely lose if you attempt solo PvP. Now, in EVE there is no fixed group size and in a fleet, usually one player more is always better. Even if he does nothing, he'll still act as a decoy. But then, many players are paranoid about spies and might not take you if you haven't build a good reputation. My suggestion is to find a corp that suits your playstyle - one that allows you to do your PvE activities and also has a PvP department that is willing to take noobs in their fleets, as long as they can follow orders. The problem is that many good PvP corps are exclusively PvP. But maybe EVE Uni would be a decent match.
But if you are exclusively pvp, then how do you make money? The faction warfare thing....I thought I read that it was sort of like a fleet vs fleet type thing. How does that work? Do you que up as a solo ship or what? IS there even que for things like that? Does this game work like that or must you be in a corp? |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.05.24 21:46:00 -
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Enochx Kaine wrote:
But if you are exclusively pvp, then how do you make money? The faction warfare thing....I thought I read that it was sort of like a fleet vs fleet type thing. How does that work? Do you que up as a solo ship or what? IS there even que for things like that? Does this game work like that or must you be in a corp?
There are no queues, instances, "battlegrounds" or anything like that. Everything is open world here. |
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SCAM CEO
S.C.A.M.
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Posted - 2013.05.24 23:09:00 -
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Enochx Kaine wrote:Can you give me a link with some examples of how to specialize? Some sort of guide post or something. I know this isn't like other MMO's, and thats why I think I am hooked....but I am just lost right now I think. I just need a hint on which way is north and which way is south. I can make my way after I get a general idea i think.
North = Combat PVP
South = Indy PVP
And then you have anywhere that can be anything in between
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Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.24 23:17:00 -
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Enochx Kaine wrote:The faction warfare thing....I thought I read that it was sort of like a fleet vs fleet type thing. How does that work? As Haulie said, there are no queues.
When you (or your corp) joins the mitia, you get access to a channel for your militia where people are regularly posting information about fleets that anyone can join (usually). Of course, after you join, you still have to fly to their location, which might be far out. There are also people (and corps) in the milita that run private fleets, only with players they trust. All this is player-run, the only thing provided by the game is the channel, which is restricted to members of the militia.
Secondly, you can participate solo in Faction Warfare - there is some PvE content in FW (those complexes Haulie mentioned) that can be done solo. In fact they are more lucrative when done solo, as the rewards are split. And because of that, there are solo pilots out there, which attracts other solo pilots and small groups who hunt them for small scale PvP.
And there is money to be made from PvP. Running FW complexes can be very lucrative - it's "kinda" PvE, but the PvE aspect is rather trivial. It's mostly an obligation to sit in one position for 10 minutes or more, which allows other to find you and thus enables PvP. Finally there's the loot you gain from killing other players. |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
2217
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Posted - 2013.05.24 23:21:00 -
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Sorry. Not of much help here. I promised myself to stop posting and caring about the "What should I do in EVE" threads or the "I come from WoW and have no idea what a sandbox game is" threads.
Its nothing personal against the OP. But there are so many of these threads on the forums in the last 2 to 3 months that it HAS been answered. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Request to CCP: Please patch stupidity out of the game for Winter 2013. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
Enochx Kaine
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.25 02:32:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Sorry. Not of much help here. I promised myself to stop posting and caring about the "What should I do in EVE" threads or the "I come from WoW and have no idea what a sandbox game is" threads.
Its nothing personal against the OP. But there are so many of these threads on the forums in the last 2 to 3 months that it HAS been answered.
yeah but I am lazy.
I think I have a handle on things now. If I go for exploration, then I would need to train pvp skills and exploration skills in order to make money and be awesome.....right? Ergo, that is probably what I will do.
One more question if I can.....if I DO go exploration, how does training the skills work? Like should I try to stick with one aspect of exploration...i.e. archeology or codebreaking or does it matter?
Sorry for all my dumbass questions....but it is confusing. Alluring and confusing. |
Erika Hamasaki
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.25 07:14:00 -
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As a fellow newbie, take some of my advice with a pinch of salt (that said, I think I've got a decent grasp on things too).
In terms of skill training, you can only go so far in each individual skill (Level 1 to 5), so therefore in the early days I think it'd be ok for you to pick one and stick with it (say, archaeology) and also develop some combat skills to fight off an other players or mobs you encounter. Once you've maxed out archaeology, you can decide where you'd like to go from there. if you enjoy, continue and develop skills that support it, if you dislike it, then find something else that appeals to you. I've found the Certification Planner to be highly useful in establishing where I'd like to go and what to do (It's in your Char Sheet, just in case you didn't know). |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
2217
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Posted - 2013.05.25 08:53:00 -
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Enochx Kaine wrote:J'Poll wrote:Sorry. Not of much help here. I promised myself to stop posting and caring about the "What should I do in EVE" threads or the "I come from WoW and have no idea what a sandbox game is" threads.
Its nothing personal against the OP. But there are so many of these threads on the forums in the last 2 to 3 months that it HAS been answered. I think I have a handle on things now. If I go for exploration, then I would need to train pvp skills and exploration skills in order to make money and be awesome.....right? Ergo, that is probably what I will do. One more question if I can.....if I DO go exploration, how does training the skills work? Like should I try to stick with one aspect of exploration...i.e. archeology or codebreaking or does it matter? Sorry for all my dumbass questions....but it is confusing. Alluring and confusing.
That works...you can do exploration to make ISK and then jump into a PvP ship if you think it's time to shoot some other player.
As you said, there is FW. This is where PvP and PvE meet. While in FW you can do special FW missions, conquer FW systems and kill opposite FW players, all for payments.
As for explorations. Usually you will see that people specialize in 1 or 2 types of signatures (for instance RADAR and combat complexes or LADAR and Magnetometric or what ever you pick) but you can do them all if you really wanted. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Request to CCP: Please patch stupidity out of the game for Winter 2013. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
Disastro
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
72
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Posted - 2013.05.25 11:37:00 -
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Enochx Kaine wrote:What should I do now? I should probably do the story arc I read about somewhere right? THe sisters of eve or something?
But while I am doing those missions, should I dabble in whatever career I choose? or should I just focus on those missions? SPeaking of careers.....what is the most common career in the game? WHat is the hardest?
I read that I should focus on one thing or the other, but I don't understand exactly how to do that. Can someone lead me to some sort of explanation or guide? I kind of want a PVP hybrid type thing. I want to PVP from time to time...like faction wars looks cool, but I want to make money in PVE.
I am confused...help.
For new players that want to do a little PVP it is important to do a few things first:
1. You must have a source of income. PVP is not free. You will lose ships and/or pods/implants. These things need to be replaced. While it is true that some alliances reimburse ships lost in combat reimbursement is rarely 100%. Somewhere down the line you need income. You must find a way to make money in the game on a consistent basis. If you move to null sec then things are easy. Generally big alliances own space you can rat or mine in to make your money. In other places you need other options. Missions are a good source of income in high sec (and low sec and npc null sec).
2. Skills. You must have some basic skills for pvp or you will get steam rolled. You will probably get steamrolled anyway but without these basic skills you will most certainly get owned early and often in pvp attempts. There are lots of threads about pvp skills on these forums but at a minimum you need to have skills that allow you good fitting skills (electronics engineering and weapon upgrades and advanced weapon upgrades skills) trained to 5. You need your gunnery or missile skills well trained as well as tank related skills.
3. Training up mining and indy skills take time away from training PVP related skills. For the most part training Mission related and ratting related skills do not. Guess which way to make money would be my suggestion?
4. PVP in eve is generally a group activity. I know you will see lots of folks on the forums talking about soloing and wanting to solo etc. Solo pvp is certainly fun when you can find it. You wont find it often in eve. Most folks willing to engage you in pvp are willing to do so because they know they have friends in system or nearby. If you want good consistent winning PVP you should probably look at joining a corp that either pirates heavily in low sec or owns null sec space and has a decent combat record on eve kill.
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J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
2217
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Posted - 2013.05.25 11:47:00 -
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Disastro wrote:Enochx Kaine wrote:What should I do now? I should probably do the story arc I read about somewhere right? THe sisters of eve or something?
But while I am doing those missions, should I dabble in whatever career I choose? or should I just focus on those missions? SPeaking of careers.....what is the most common career in the game? WHat is the hardest?
I read that I should focus on one thing or the other, but I don't understand exactly how to do that. Can someone lead me to some sort of explanation or guide? I kind of want a PVP hybrid type thing. I want to PVP from time to time...like faction wars looks cool, but I want to make money in PVE.
I am confused...help. For new players that want to do a little PVP it is important to do a few things first: 1. You must have a source of income. PVP is not free. You will lose ships and/or pods/implants. These things need to be replaced. While it is true that some alliances reimburse ships lost in combat reimbursement is rarely 100%. Somewhere down the line you need income. You must find a way to make money in the game on a consistent basis. If you move to null sec then things are easy. Generally big alliances own space you can rat or mine in to make your money. In other places you need other options. Missions are a good source of income in high sec (and low sec and npc null sec). 2. Skills. You must have some basic skills for pvp or you will get steam rolled. You will probably get steamrolled anyway but without these basic skills you will most certainly get owned early and often in pvp attempts. There are lots of threads about pvp skills on these forums but at a minimum you need to have skills that allow you good fitting skills (electronics engineering and weapon upgrades and advanced weapon upgrades skills) trained to 5. You need your gunnery or missile skills well trained as well as tank related skills. 3. Training up mining and indy skills take time away from training PVP related skills. For the most part training Mission related and ratting related skills do not. Guess which way to make money would be my suggestion? 4. PVP in eve is generally a group activity. I know you will see lots of folks on the forums talking about soloing and wanting to solo etc. Solo pvp is certainly fun when you can find it. You wont find it often in eve. Most folks willing to engage you in pvp are willing to do so because they know they have friends in system or nearby. If you want good consistent winning PVP you should probably look at joining a corp that either pirates heavily in low sec or owns null sec space and has a decent combat record on eve kill.
To add to point for. Those that do engage you solo do it for 1 reason. They know they will win against you, if the odd stack against them, they usually don't engage. The biggest knowledge in solo PvP: Know your enemy, know when to fight or when to fly When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Request to CCP: Please patch stupidity out of the game for Winter 2013. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
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