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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4075
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:32:00 -
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Will'b'one wrote:I just get a validation failure after 10 minutes of it trying to load up, and then it gives me the option to actually play Eve.
CCP forgets that we're paying customers, how about an apology? I don't even like the new screen and didn't give a damn about the old one because I only looked at it for 5 seconds before playing the game... thanks for nothing. Fire the idiot who rolled this out without checking if it works.
Also very juicy, typical corporate decision.
First CCP removes Jukebox, because maintaining 50 more lines of code proved to be beyond a multinational corporation capabilities. OK we get that.
All the multi client players like me had to set the client volume to zero in order not to get hammered with a cacophony of overlapped soundracks (volume setting is global to all clients).
OK it's easy to see how it's dumb but players accepted it too.
All the multi client players who had to zero the volume, immediately lost the cool log in screen music as a consequence.
OK it's easy to see how it's dumb but players accepted it too.
Now, what's the most straigthforward way for fixing the inability to hear the log in screen music?
OBVIOUS! WE REMOVE THE COOL LOG IN SCREEN COMPLETELY!
I want to sock my head on a wall Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Hazan Lightbringer
LightWorker Inc The Luminae Foothold
0
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:37:00 -
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AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Angelus Ryan wrote:Adam Akiga wrote:I don't understand that. Since i joined EVE Online, CCP always support dual/multi box, but now, you have to start EVE launcher again and again and again... don't really get it what is point atm Again. You don't have to. Run the executable directly. For now that works but it looks like it will be removed.
If they removed the possibility to start the game with the executable directly, I would definitely leave the game. There are limits to my patience.
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Adam Akiga
Abyss Addendum
0
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:37:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Will'b'one wrote:I just get a validation failure after 10 minutes of it trying to load up, and then it gives me the option to actually play Eve.
CCP forgets that we're paying customers, how about an apology? I don't even like the new screen and didn't give a damn about the old one because I only looked at it for 5 seconds before playing the game... thanks for nothing. Fire the idiot who rolled this out without checking if it works. Also very juicy, typical corporate decision. First CCP removes Jukebox, because maintaining 50 more lines of code proved to be beyond a multinational corporation capabilities. OK we get that. All the multi client players like me had to set the client volume to zero in order not to get hammered with a cacophony of overlapped soundracks (volume setting is global to all clients). OK it's easy to see how it's dumb but players accepted it too. All the multi client players who had to zero the volume, immediately lost the cool log in screen music as a consequence. OK it's easy to see how it's dumb but players accepted it too. Now, what's the most straigthforward way for fixing the inability to hear the log in screen music? OBVIOUS! WE REMOVE THE COOL LOG IN SCREEN COMPLETELY! I want to sock my head on a wall
JUKEBOX WAS ****ING AWESOME....
...since they remove it I dont turn on spearkers |
Oliver G
G Enterprises
5
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:41:00 -
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On my XP, the launcher also does not shut down correctly when closing it. You have to kill the processes (yeah, more than one) manually.
I think at this point it is pretty obvious that no QA was done regarding the new launcher. Given its crucial role in starting the game, I cannot help myself thinking that this is a bad sign in total for the software development process at CCP.
I feel kinda sorry for them. I have been playing EvE for more than 6 years now. There were some problems here and there, but, except for the boot.ini fail, the launcher fail exceeds them all in "unnecessarily stupid". EvE is a great game and I hope it stays that way.
So CCP, I hope you guys learned something from all of this and try to improve the QA and unrolling process in order to avoid more fails like these in the future. |
Yuki Kasumi
Some names are just stupid
14
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:42:00 -
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In general I must say that I have been positively suprised by the updates for the expansion, however this new launcher isn't perfect:
Pros:
I dont have to log in multiple times if I only use one account
Cons:
I have to log in each account with either a seperate launcher (if one can even do that) or log in -> switch account -> log in bringing me right back to where I started. Also I will miss the GPU hogging but very cool startup screen!
Potential fixes:
1. Allow me to either log in / link all my accounts so that I can choose which to log in at the launcher 2. Or to be logged out again immediatly so that I can log in another account (this switch account step is quite annoying)
Also I had issues with the DNS server when this patch went live, my local dns did not have the proper records it seems to changing to a google dns server allowed the launcher to start normally.
Regards |
Galmas
United System's Commonwealth R.E.P.O.
96
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:42:00 -
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Pretty sad that failure.
I don't know why you guys went down the road of changing several systems that depend on each other at the same time. I hope there was a good reason to do that since i can't see how you missed to realize the problems you could run into. It was a change after all, while that launcher is the instance that patches the client to the correct level that is able to connects to the server. The servers which you also patched at the same time as the client. So the client has to have a patch applied by the freshly patched launcher in order to connect to the server.
Usually you try to avoid such constellations, don't you. : )
edit: BTW, why does the launcher now take felt 10 times longer to finally get that client started? client validation i hardly were able to spot when starting from SSD drive. |
BigSako
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
14
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:45:00 -
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huge -1. Can't log in multiple characters as easy as you used to do. I have 4 links in my startmenu, one for each of my accounts, and now always the same launcher window pops up, regardless of what account I chose.
dislike. -1 $!$-º"%"-º%"-º$-º"$&$-º fix it.
thank you.
edit: and btw, I don't want to HOTFIX my game because of settings getting lost, I want to continue playing the way I used to play... If you want to move the login into the launcher at least make it remember which user account the instance is related to rather than having all user accounts in the same launcher. |
Ein0r Niiminen
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:54:00 -
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The new patcher looks pretty decent. But why do you remove this awesome login screen? I am a rather new Eve player and compared with other games, Eve had the best looking Login Screen until now, next to WoW.
It was so cool :( Doesnt it have any production value anymore? Right now it feels as if i would log in to some random Softnyx or OGPlanet game when i use this launcher and not some incredibly space mmo. And since i dont have that much clue of programming: What is the reasoning behind this if not money? Is it really so expensive to create such a login screen and maintain it? I hope the login screen will come back with the upcoming update :(
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Sung Lie
Crepuscular
0
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:58:00 -
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I'm missing the logout button in the esc menu when in space, so when sitting in a pos it takes me 30 seconds to "log off safely" to switch to another character on that same account or I have to quit the client and start it again through this new and shiny launcher of yours -.- You really have to think about how people are using your software :) |
Hicksimus
Hyperion Corporation
173
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:59:00 -
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This launcher is bad and you should feel bad. Who the hell thought it was fit for release?
P.S. Make the switch user account button huge, I don't want to have to try hard to hit it considering I shouldn't have to in the first place. It's the least you can do. Things I have realized from the EvE forums: Many people beleive cost means money and only money If you use it then it needs a buff. -áIf you don't use it then it needs to be nerfed. |
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Yun Furiku
Tax Me If You Dare
0
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:02:00 -
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Dear CCP Why do you hate your paying customers so much? Maybe you don't like our moneys after all. Or your jobs, for that matter as the result of that.
At least allow us to re-log to alts in same account without having to close whole EVE for it. This is complete bs. I get it that you need to try to push people into having multiple accounts, but this is wrong way to do it. You are only angering your customers, and there is only so far you can go until we consider you equal to Ubisoft & EA.
New features are nice thing, but for gods sake, do them properly so that they won't cause extra trouble for players. Or time wasted, like this does in its current form for anyone who might want to relog to another character.
/end of rant.
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nomad Raholan
1st Steps Academy Fidelas Constans
11
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:04:00 -
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Llewsor wrote:Llewsor wrote:Dudes, look on the bright side, they are so obviously going to give us automatic multiple-account logon using this launcher! Wouldn't it be nice to have all the beautiful photos of your characters across all accounts lined up on your launcher? Once single-signed in you just click on any photo and straight into the action! Also need a "play intro music" button for those who need it before they can play. The future is bright, but there may be some stumbles on the way! Nope, I have different account passwords for a reason, I don't want them all linked together into a single login. If somehow that single login password gets compromised (by simply being linked by SSO to numerous sites for example), I could lose everything.. Is CCP able to guarantee the security of SSO and if it fails will losses be reimbursed.
Another reason, some may have accounts they don't want linked for ingame reasons, ie; the spy you've spent 2 years infiltrating that enemy corp/alliance with. .,.,.,Disagree with me if you feel the need.,.,., .,.,.,Right or Wrong.,.,.,.-á .,.,.,My opinion is free and mine to own.,.,.,. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
151
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:07:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Korim Nadar wrote:Sorry, but I am very angry at the moment.
The new launcher deleted ALL my settings AND my overview-settings.
Try restarting the EVE Launcher.
Confirming that restarting launcher does NOT bring back old settings and to be honest its ******* annoying to have to do that on every computer I have eve on again with every account. Just some of the things that got reset that fucks my usage as a player up:
Neocom icons went to default Overview went to default (though I did have it exported as XML so no biggie there) Chat windows reset auto-targeting setting went to default Graphic settings went to default
Ughh the list is extensive, there should have been a better implementation of this new launcher to keep the settings.
Just to rant a bit here, the new launcher was ONLY released on sisi for a ******* week before you decided to shove it on TQ. Im not complaining that the launcher is a bad concept, but for fucks sake, you can NOT release something in beta format for ONLY a week and assume that since you had no issues that its ready to go live. That is the worst ******* project management I have ever seen and tbh for you CCP that is saying something.
Usually, you like to shove things on TQ before they are fully funtional. I can understand and appreciate that with expansions and patches, sometimes you NEED 60K players to interact with it to test it. However, the gripe I have here is timing. A week is NOT enough time to ******* test a new launcher out. It should have been left on sisi until Odyssey was deployed and testing could shift focus to the new launcher a week after oddy. Instead, you have now tried to test two completely different changes to the game at the same time without giving one the proper testing it needs. I ******* hope you remember that the next time you decide to go live with a beta feature only a week into testing. If DUST had taken that approach, it would have failed big time. |
Fergus Runkle
Truth and Reconciliation Council
23
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:07:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Regarding the two processes that the EVE Launcher starts: the EVE Launcher has a bootstrapping application that loads a versioned EVE Launcher. When one of these closes, the other one should close too, however we've seen in a few instances one of them waits whilst it writes out pending buffers to disk.
If launcher.exe processes are regularly hanging on shutdown, as above, I would beg for people to file a bug report and attach logs of the problem.
Neither of these processes close for me. Even when I close Eve they continue to sit there. |
Fergus Runkle
Truth and Reconciliation Council
23
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:09:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Regarding the slow startup time of the new EVE Launcher: the first time the new EVE Launcher starts up, it needs to determine the state of your client installation. This requires it to analyse every file in your installation. This will take some time, since the EVE client is somewhere around 12Gb in size. However, after this point, the checksums will be saved in the Launcher's cache folder. Clearing out the Launcher's cache folder will obviously delete this file, requiring you to re-analyse your installation.
If people are finding that they need to spend a lengthy amount of time analysing their installation every time they start up, I would beg them to file a bug reporting, and provide the logs that their Launcher is generating, and saving into it's cache folder.
Its not just the first time, its EVERY TIME.
It takes me 3-5 mins for me to actually get into Eve.
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Fergus Runkle
Truth and Reconciliation Council
23
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:13:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Regarding the traditional login scene and log off options: I mentioned this in another forum thread ( here). The traditional login screen and functionality still exists, and many people have been bypassing the EVE Launcher and accessing it to restore the old functionality.
Leaving this in place is probably the best thing you have done with the new launcher. Personally I'll be using this method until you streamline the launcher so that
1) it doesn't sit there and validate my installation EVERY SINGLE TIME 2) the launcher processes actualy decide to close themselves rather than remaining open EVEN AFTER I LOGOUT OF EVE 3) you streamline the launcher so that it does not take additional mouse clicks / typing over the old process |
mr ed thehouseofed
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
131
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:14:00 -
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err i have not had any problems with launcher or game what am i doing wrong . real gamers only need one toon-á |
Zxeries
On Your Own SWAG Co
0
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:14:00 -
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i dont understand what was broke with the old client and launcher that needed 'fixed'. PI is the reason i maintain a 3rd account and the huge pain this created makes me not want to deal with the hassle of logging in to that account. it lapses here in a few weeks and i will probably let it do so... i have 45-60min when i get home from work to play and now 10 or so is going to be wasted just logging in.
i'll put it simply... logging in is now worse than all the clicking and hauling i have to do to do pi everyday. |
arria Auscent
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:15:00 -
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validating client for 10 mins is bad bring back the old launcher |
Gijs Peerlings
Tactical Advanced Solutions Another Space
3
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:20:00 -
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I think the launher is good, but for multi-client use it sucks. Also I loved the login screen/music, please bring that back :( |
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RankOutsider
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:22:00 -
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So I log in today and find that the cache settings on all 21 of my characters are reset, gone, poof, history.
Who signed this change off?
I've been in software dev for 30+ years so I would assume you have something that looks like an industry standard panel of cross functional people on a change control board who review all changes and sign them off? If so please give each one of them a written warning and place it on their employment records.
I can't believe a software dev company who has made the mistakes you've made in the past wouldn't at least think before shooting your foot off, in fact do you have any ******* feet left?
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Angelus Ryan
Ama Nesciri.
30
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:25:00 -
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Gijs Peerlings wrote:I think the launher is good, but for multi-client use it sucks. Also I loved the login screen/music, please bring that back :(
So where is it good ? |
Galmas
United System's Commonwealth R.E.P.O.
96
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:25:00 -
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Ein0r Niiminen wrote:The new patcher looks pretty decent. But why do you remove this awesome login screen? I am a rather new Eve player and compared with other games, Eve had the best looking Login Screen until now, next to WoW. It was so cool Doesnt it have any production value anymore? Right now it feels as if i would log in to some random Softnyx or OGPlanet game when i use this launcher and not onto an incredible space mmo. Right now it feels as if i have to deal with a boring launcher, to get a boring long loading bar until i arrive in a very dull character select. And after all of that i am finally able to play. With the login screen i had at least a really cool, animated space station rock thingy with a cool "connecting" voice, which never ceased to amaze me how good this game can look. And since i dont have that much clue of programming: What is the reasoning behind this if not money? Is it really so expensive to create such a login screen and maintain it? I hope the login screen will come back with the upcoming update
Totally agree.
While it is not really game breaking changes in mechanics or anything like that still CCP wastes a lot of potential for showing of the awesomeness of the game right from the launch of it.
I remember how this whole useless launcher project was justified some time ago. someone from CCP was saying that "everyone uses a launcher for their games so we have to do it too". To hear that from ccp, running a mmo for more than a decade now makes me pretty sad. Something like "everyone runs these useless launchers but we will not do that for the eve client, we will keep our awesome log-in screen and the cool news section of the character selection to do what others need a launcher for" would have been the right approach.
Now with the latest "improvement" to the log-in process that launcher becomes a real pain in sensible parts of my body. Before it was just a little annoyance.
Sorry CCP Devs, i totally don't like what you do in that regard. And i am massively afraid already of the newly invented radial menus nobody needs... They will also take a lot of energy out of the community until they are reverted back far enough to not be too big of an annoyance anymore. I can already clearly sense that happening soon. Sorry guys. Great game otherwise : )
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DragonBlue1
Into The Void Reaper's Grin
2
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:26:00 -
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this launcher is laughable ... check the error message i`m geting :P ....
Account EVE-SSO-CONNECTION has been disabled Last Login: 2011.01.01 12:49 Number of Visits: 54 reason: Account subscription expired!
Subscribe Now and continue playing!
my subscription is paid for at least another month .... if i login without the launcher i can connect no problem |
arria Auscent
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:31:00 -
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all my settings are gone all my browser bookmarks too
what idiot thought this was a good idea?
never heard 'IF IT'S NOT BROKEN, DONT FIX IT'? |
Regam Voss
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:33:00 -
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Why in the hell did your update reset all my settings? |
Skorpynekomimi
513
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:36:00 -
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Regam Voss wrote:Why in the hell did your update reset all my settings?
BECAUSE WINDOWS IS WHY.
Confirming that restarting launcher and client fixes stuff. **** |
RankOutsider
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:39:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:Regam Voss wrote:Why in the hell did your update reset all my settings? BECAUSE WINDOWS IS WHY. Confirming that restarting launcher and client fixes stuff.
It didn't for me I have to manually run bin/exefile.exe to get my cache setting back, which just goes to show the launcher is a waste of time |
Kblackjack54
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
100
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:40:00 -
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Ok, before CCP kill the facility and for those of you that have apparently LOST there Usernames from the log in screen of this amazing new and improved yet utterly rubbish IMO, log in facility, here is a simple tip to recover this information quickly and without drama.
C:\Program Files (x86)\CCP\EVE\bin
Copy paste that line into your windows search and press enter.
this will open the BIN file for you, perfectly safe to do and it contains the 'ExeFile' which you need to locate, highlighted by the EVE symbol.
Once you have found it, right click it and select 'Create Shortcut' this will appear at the bottom of the same page, usual shortcut identification of a curving blue arrow overlaying the EVE logo.
Drag and drop this onto your desktop, NOT THE ORIGINAL, close the explorer and then simply click that shortcut, the Original utterly useless and totally insignificant EVE launcher will open for you along with all your User names neatly stored as before.
Currently you can still use this launcher to open your clients without a problem, been doing it since the patch, hence avoiding all the drama of the past 24 hours, Suggest you also open the New and improved utterly perfect launcher currently offered by CCP's perfectionist Devs and copy your information over in the order you want them, failure to do this correctly will result in your listing being fixed in that order so think about which toons you use first and most and load them in order from there.
CCP Devs will probably read this and instantly either block it or remove the described facility so my guess is it will be time dependent. |
arria Auscent
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:42:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:Regam Voss wrote:Why in the hell did your update reset all my settings? BECAUSE WINDOWS IS WHY. Confirming that restarting launcher and client fixes stuff.
can you confirm relaunching launcher wont take 20 mins to validate like it did the first time? |
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