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Adam Dimaloun
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.15 09:41:00 -
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So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec and the boring mining/mission running in there, I'm kind of industry thing with little interest in pvp (I do love to pvp but I have some fear from it, which I'm trying to get over)
I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win) I don't want to commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well
So what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with? Keep in mind I'm below 10 million SP char, and I can fly all races up to battleships and Minmatar AFs, Amarr AFs with T2 full fits on them, also covops frigs as well
I see EVE as a big affective game to real life as well, because if not for the space, it would be real life with all its politics/risks and mechanics
o/ |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1967
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Posted - 2013.05.15 09:43:00 -
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Well if you're afraid of doing something in a video game, there's not much hope for you and you should probably just k
Serious answer: how about you start up a corporation, send me fifty million, and then I start a war against it? Within a week, you'll either get over your fears, or go play something more fun. It's win-win for all of us. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted |
JD No7
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
39
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Posted - 2013.05.15 09:44:00 -
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0.0 is not half as bad as what you may think, once you have moved there.
Do not take the empire link system camps as how the rest of 0.0 is. It's nothing like. |
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2013.05.15 09:44:00 -
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Went I went to null I took only what i needed there and left my hisec mission infrastructure intact. A lot of people decide to take everything and then whine how they lost it all on the way in. So only take what you need and then accumulate more while there, leave your hisec stuff in place. It is good to have something to fall back on. |
Danni stark
269
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Posted - 2013.05.15 09:45:00 -
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null really isn't that bad.
the people tend to be nicer, and it's more obvious who's about to shoot you. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Riot Girl
Thundercats The Initiative.
889
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Posted - 2013.05.15 09:46:00 -
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Forum ate my post. Just take a bunch of T1 frigates into lowsec and attack anything you see. Oh god. |
Le Badass
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
79
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Posted - 2013.05.15 09:47:00 -
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Find a friendly null sec corp who will take you in. Get on voice and do some hilarious roams with them - You'll never be the same player after that.
If you really can't find anyone willing to take you in (I can't imagine that), go to NPC null and live there for a while. |
Lt Kelson
Howling Stones Mining Corporation
1
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Posted - 2013.05.15 09:49:00 -
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If you like to Exploration then I would reccomend doing C1 C2 wormholes from highsec or "daytripping" as some call it, with good flying you can do a C1 in an assault fright, have cleared sites in a Retribution and Enyo.
There is alot to learn with scanning and WH mechanics (no local, WH ship bonuses etc) but I found that most people left me alone in WH space if I was in an AF so it was a good way to start before I moved up to Battlecruisers.
Also would be well timed with the new scanning changes |
Adam Dimaloun
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 09:52:00 -
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It is not about fear to do something in a video game, I do stunts and crazy stuff in other games as well, the unique thing about eve makes you consider every move you make so you don't have to deal with its in-game consequences later (with lots of ISK loss or loss of pod that lead to loss of SP in case of non-upgraded clone), in other games you die, you spawn again... that's it
But if I got it correct, I should just get there with my pod or 1 expendable ship, then try to manage from there how to establish a base of operation? If that was the case I guess I can look on the routes/choke points between high/null or low/null and see what is the best to establish a logistics line for me |
Riot Girl
Thundercats The Initiative.
890
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Posted - 2013.05.15 09:56:00 -
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What do you want to do in nullsec? Oh god. |
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1969
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Posted - 2013.05.15 09:56:00 -
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It will be significantly easier if you join a corporation that does whatever it is you want to do, trust me.
And keeping your clone updated shouldn't be a difficult task. Neither should be flying something that's not your entire net worth. It's common sense. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted |
Tara Read
The Bastards Shadow Cartel
373
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:00:00 -
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Adam Dimaloun wrote:So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec and the boring mining/mission running in there, I'm kind of industry thing with little interest in pvp (I do love to pvp but I have some fear from it, which I'm trying to get over)
I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win) I don't want the commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well
So what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with? Keep in mind I'm below 10 million SP char, and I can fly all races up to battleships and Minmatar AFs, Amarr AFs with T2 full fits on them, also covops frigs as well
I see EVE as a big affective game to real life as well, because if not for the space, it would be real life with all its politics/risks and mechanics
o/
Get a Frigate and go to Low Sec. Learn to use the Directional Scanner and hunt prey. The rush you get with your first kill will be amazing as well as addicting. Frigs are cheap and great learning tools for getting combat experience. Hell even ransom your prey (turn a profit and always honor the ransom) and soon you'll forget Null Sec, laugh that you ever lived in High, and will wonder what the hell you ever did before becoming a dirty Pirate.
Trust Me. |
Just Lilly
71
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:01:00 -
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I recommend wormspace, establish your own base of operations from inside a C1, start from there. Powered by Nvidia GTX 690 |
Le Badass
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
79
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:01:00 -
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I started out in NPC null with a stealth bomber and a condor along with assorted modules and bubbles. If you want to start totally from scratch, find a system near medical facilites (for your clone when you die), refinery and production slots. Then, fly in a mining venture (will also be handy for slipping through gatecamps on the way) with some basic BPOs in the hold. Although pretty crappy compared to everything else, you can mine minerals and recycle dropped modules to build your own frigs and so on. The BPOs will cost you anywhere from 5-20M depending on what you choose to bring.
And yes, I know that a meta 0 slasher suxxorz, but an industrial or pod trapped in a bubble WILL die eventually. When you lose your meta 0 frig, it won't really matter.
Just my 2 cents. |
Wooly Akachi
Capital Storm. WHY so Seri0Us
4
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:02:00 -
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when i made the move out to null i found a corp that was quite happy to jump the ships i NEEDED out in the jump frieghter and i then flew a T1 frig out with stabs in the bottom, got through easy. Just set your death clone to the corp station just incase.
PVP was scary at first now i dont mind taking out SB's and BC's on a roam when we expect to all die. half the time dieing is funny as hell. the other half is killing something worth ten times the cost our fleet and feeling realy good afterwards |
Maruan Ibnis
Stillwater Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:03:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:Adam Dimaloun wrote:So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec and the boring mining/mission running in there, I'm kind of industry thing with little interest in pvp (I do love to pvp but I have some fear from it, which I'm trying to get over)
I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win) I don't want the commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well
So what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with? Keep in mind I'm below 10 million SP char, and I can fly all races up to battleships and Minmatar AFs, Amarr AFs with T2 full fits on them, also covops frigs as well
I see EVE as a big affective game to real life as well, because if not for the space, it would be real life with all its politics/risks and mechanics
o/ Get a Frigate and go to Low Sec. Learn to use the Directional Scanner and hunt prey. The rush you get with your first kill will be amazing as well as addicting. Frigs are cheap and great learning tools for getting combat experience. Hell even ransom your prey (turn a profit and always honor the ransom) and soon you'll forget Null Sec, laugh that you ever lived in High, and will wonder what the hell you ever did before becoming a dirty Pirate. Trust Me.
This. If you need tips and someone to show you the basics, beep me in game, well set up a meeting.
Learn in lowsec and after you know what youre doing, try null
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Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum
167
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:05:00 -
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Adam Dimaloun wrote:So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec and the boring mining/mission running in there, I'm kind of industry thing with little interest in pvp (I do love to pvp but I have some fear from it, which I'm trying to get over)
I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win) I don't want the commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well
So what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with? Keep in mind I'm below 10 million SP char, and I can fly all races up to battleships and Minmatar AFs, Amarr AFs with T2 full fits on them, also covops frigs as well
I see EVE as a big affective game to real life as well, because if not for the space, it would be real life with all its politics/risks and mechanics
o/
join faction warfare. |
Bloody Wench
345
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:11:00 -
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Adam Dimaloun wrote:It is not about fear to do something in a video game, I do stunts and crazy stuff in other games as well, the unique thing about eve makes you consider every move you make so you don't have to deal with its in-game consequences later (with lots of ISK loss or loss of pod that lead to loss of SP in case of non-upgraded clone), in other games you die, you spawn again... that's it
But if I got it correct, I should just get there with my pod or 1 expendable ship, then try to manage from there how to establish a base of operation? If that was the case I guess I can look on the routes/choke points between high/null or low/null and see what is the best to establish a logistics line for me
You'll never make it with just your pod.
If you just want to day trip, then pack up a cov-ops and get to it.
Remember to jump to a different clone first....maybe no implants at all?
If you make it to where you want to go, spend a day dicking around out there, but don't get podded, then jump clone back to empire. Then you can go back anytime you like without running the gauntlet again.. Support a Hi Resolution Texture Pack |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
614
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:16:00 -
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Most of the advice offered is solid. Add in, you really need to look around for corps and alliances in Null to be there and not be ripping your hair out. Null is all about the blob. Take that as good or bad. Fleets, large groups of people on the same page or just a gank fest. It's very much opinion.
I'm not going to sell you any rose colored glasses. You will lose ships and unless you get in with a huge power bloc you will lose more than you make. Much of Null is trash. I've had a main in Null for a week and I've logged in twice a day, every day and did on board scans, then dropped 7 probes and did detailed scans of the system I am logging out in. Every day, twice a day, no scan detected. Nothing. No wormholes, no Ladar, no crumby combat sites, no Grav, zilch, zip, nadda. Yea, I'm about to pull out and head back to high sec. |
addelee
Low Sec Pharmacies
36
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:21:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:It will be significantly easier if you join a corporation that does whatever it is you want to do, trust me.
This.
Try to find a corp before you move to null that is happy to take you in and you have similar interests. I know we, as a corp, spend time moving people from highsec down into null. Often you'll find there's a wormhole that can be taken as a short cut and you'll have access to intel channels to identify choke points and hostile systems (gate camps). Moving stuff down shouldn't be an issue as many corps have jump freighter services.
Null isn't all that scary either. I had a similar experience to you with highsec and essentially became bored. Having moved to null, I couldn't think of anything worse than going back to high. There's always something to do down here with either pvp, pve (anoms, ded sites), industry (mining and manufacture) and a whole heap of exploration. Other than in PvP, it's rare to lose a ship unless you're just being careless or just plain unlucky. |
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
892
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:25:00 -
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The biggest risk is getting stuck with dud organizations. Do some research, and dont stick around if youre not having fun. |
JackknifedII
The Canaries
26
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:26:00 -
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If you are afraid of making the jump to 0.0 (bear in mind, it is actually less stressful and arguably safer than high sec) then join a small corp that roams in null, or join a null alliance.
Get some experience in pvp, just fit 10 cheap frigates and head into low sec. Shoot everything you can scramble. Get the phobias out of your system and experience the adrenaline rush that no other mmo except eve can deliver. The risk vs reward equation doesn't actually matter, since you only fly what you can afford to lose, right? Dreams are transitory in nature, and therefore wasted on the living... Minmatar....we are generally unpleasant to be around....
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Adam Dimaloun
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:34:00 -
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Seems most advices are going towards a null corp
I should look around for some names and ask friends then
Who knows, maybe I'll drop everything else and become a 23/7 nullsec addict
For lowsec, I feel I might want to go there, but after I see null, so if it don't work out for me, lowsec will be my fallback
Plenty of replies, all are very useful indeed |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9399
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:38:00 -
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Adam Dimaloun wrote:So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec and the boring mining/mission running in there, I'm kind of industry thing with little interest in pvp (I do love to pvp but I have some fear from it, which I'm trying to get over)
I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win) I don't want the commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well
So what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with? Keep in mind I'm below 10 million SP char, and I can fly all races up to battleships and Minmatar AFs, Amarr AFs with T2 full fits on them, also covops frigs as well
I see EVE as a big affective game to real life as well, because if not for the space, it would be real life with all its politics/risks and mechanics
o/
1) Create a jumpclone with no implants
2) Buy a fast frigate with 1-2 Warp Core Stabilisers, speed mods and an MWD. Maybe fit a salvager or two because you never know what you might find, and a single bit of good T2 salvage will pay for the whole ship.
3) Open up the map and find a 0.0 entry system that requires a few jumps through lo-sec to get to, and which doesn't show many pilots active right now
4) Go look around.
General advice:
1) 0.0 gateways are all regional gates. That means they're enormous. It's actually rather difficult to directly camp those gates, so it's usually the other gates in the system that are camped. So you probably won't get blapped when you jump in to 0.0, but there's some danger when you try to go to the next 0.0 system.
2) A rapidly travelling T1 frigate won't elicit much response from the inhabitants. They'll shoot you if they find you stuck in a bubble, but they're unlikely to go to any great effort.
3) Make bookmarks! Safespots, ping spots (a bookmark 200km off the gate so you can warp to the ping, check the gate out, and warp to the gate or run away as seems best)
1 Kings 12:11
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floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:48:00 -
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Just Lilly wrote:I recommend wormspace, establish your own base of operations from inside a C1, start from there.
Wormholes are a lot scarier than nullsec imo
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1437
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:53:00 -
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floating in space wrote:Just Lilly wrote:I recommend wormspace, establish your own base of operations from inside a C1, start from there. Wormholes are a lot scarier than nullsec imo
^ This.
Best bet is to join a ****** alliance like a renter or CVA. Learn the ropes and break the ice when it comes to living in 0.0 then move up from there. Trying to explain being in a ****** renter corp or CVA, however might be problematic later on though. Improving NPE |
addelee
Low Sec Pharmacies
38
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Posted - 2013.05.15 10:57:00 -
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floating in space wrote: Wormholes are a lot scarier than nullsec imo
I kinda like wormholes. The lack of local makes it seem scarier than it actually is but once you check traffic with probes, you know whether to run or fight. Saying that, if you actually pickup another ship on the overview you know you should be locking with no second thought.
I find Lowsec the scariest place. It's out and out pvp whether you like it or not. Tried establishing myself there but the cost of ship replacement and the endless clone sink meant making a profit was near impossible (it no doubt is possible but I didn't find a way) |
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
216
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Posted - 2013.05.15 11:13:00 -
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Actually, right now is the best time to experince null since alot of big alliances are starting major fights. null will be alot of fun this summer. ...................................................... |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9402
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Posted - 2013.05.15 11:29:00 -
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Xpaulusx wrote:Actually, right now is the best time to experince null since alot of big alliances are starting major fights. null will be alot of fun this summer.
And there's a good chance of picking up some tasty loot from abandoned wrecks.
1 Kings 12:11
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
229
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Posted - 2013.05.15 11:41:00 -
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If you have the slightest inclination to want to get involved and be a team player, then nul sec corporations will grab you with both hands and hold you dearly to their collective bossom.
Its been 3 years now for me, and I was in the exact same position as you are. All I needed was a litttle pust, and then a little adjusting, and I never looked back. Take the jump, then look for help and you'll never look back.
P.S. In case it has to be said - if it even smells like a goon, run. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
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Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2013.05.15 11:57:00 -
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You need to find a "new player training" corp to hold your hand, tell you what to fit and where to jump.
After a couple weeks/months you should be ok by yourself.
You think null is scary and highsec is safe.
Think of it like this.
Null is the deep ocean.
Highsec is the shore.
Where are all the sharks? By the shore.
In 0.0 if you get wardecced, you don't care. Nothing changes for you, you still go out, mine for an hour, get your coffee, come back, join a gang, camp the gate for a bit, chat, have some tea, etc.
In 1.0 if you get wardecced, your home system is camped and market systems like Jita are a guaranteed killzone. You ask in corp chat "do we have a pvp gang?" Nope, they don't because they're a noob corp in highsec, they just sit in the station and cry about griefers.
See
%99.8 of "hardcore pvp'ers" aren't looking for a fight, they're looking for a victim.
Where are the pvp gangs? Null Where are the victims? Highsec
So where are the "hardcore pvp'ers?" Highsec to feed on the noob corps.
You think the average "merc wardec" corp wants to go fight Pandemic Legion? Hell no, they want to fight someone like you, so they can **** you in the shower and take your lunch money. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
423
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Posted - 2013.05.15 11:59:00 -
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Find a nullsec corporation to join, move to nullsec. Simples!! Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Prince Kobol
741
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:04:00 -
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Adam Dimaloun wrote:So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec and the boring mining/mission running in there, I'm kind of industry thing with little interest in pvp (I do love to pvp but I have some fear from it, which I'm trying to get over)
I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win) I don't want the commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well
So what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with? Keep in mind I'm below 10 million SP char, and I can fly all races up to battleships and Minmatar AFs, Amarr AFs with T2 full fits on them, also covops frigs as well
I see EVE as a big affective game to real life as well, because if not for the space, it would be real life with all its politics/risks and mechanics
o/
Join R v B
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
732
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:14:00 -
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@Op
Tell yourself the sooner you start loosing stuff and get used to, the sooner you will disconnect from this idea where pixels have value in real money or life time.
It's just pixels, yep sucks when you loose shiny ones, that's why every one and his grand father around will tell you to pick frigates and go for a ride until you get comfortable with null sec pvp, the area you will be playing and the people you'll be playing with too of course.
You might actually not do many stuff in your own corp but at alliance level, doesn't matter, the moment you're on once things get hot it's ok, if you like activities like mining or exploration/incursions there is always someone to do it with you or invite you, once you've met the good ones of course.
Take your time to find one that suits you but move, don't give a cent for whatever apply, don't move all your stuff at once and don't contract it to no one, just go there in a bomber or frig and build everything from the scratch because it's a very good way to learn how to do business over there. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
732
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:16:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Xpaulusx wrote:Actually, right now is the best time to experince null since alot of big alliances are starting major fights. null will be alot of fun this summer. And there's a good chance of picking up some tasty loot from abandoned wrecks.
Who cares if those are not abandoned?-those are mine !! all mine !! Gimme !! *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
190
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:24:00 -
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The single best thing you can do is to overcome your attachment to "stuff". It was work to get it, true, but accumulation of wealth in this game for the purpose of accumulation of wealth will lead to burnout and boredom. It appears that CCP has intentionally designed the active ISK-generation in this game to be mind-crushingly boring.
Once you move to a point where you use ISK generation as a side job to fund your other (usually PvP-related) activities, you free yourself up from a lot of worry and stress.
And really, wormhole space is where it's at ... not Null. You have small gang warfare, often plenty of solo hunting opportunities, a bunch of tight-knit groups who will become like a family to you before long instead of treating you like a worker drone. You hunt, and are hunted, without the free Local intel channel; you can sneak up on your targets and they never see you coming until you're shooting them.
For better or worse, just about everything in W-space requires scanning; you can practice for this by looking for Combat, Grav (ming), Mag, and Radar exploration sites in hisec. I particularly like this reliance on scanning because it means that what I can do depends on how much effort I want to spend. I can blame only myself if I don't have enough to do and get bored. There are Mag, Radar, Mining (Ladar/Gas and Grav/Ore), and Combat sites in W-space, though they hit harder and reward MUCH more than anything in Hisec. PI in W-space ties with PI in Null for the top profit potential.
The other essential in W-space is cloaking. You fly around hunting (while being hunted) looking for a target who thinks he is safe, as opposed to flying around in Null shooting people who weren't smart enough to dock up when they heard there was a roaming fleet in their area.
Check out the recruitment forums and see what some of the wormhole corps are looking for. If they can give you some specifics on skill requirements, as opposed to "must have 20 mil blah blah", they probably have a better handle on things. Like Null, only take what you need.
This picture illustrates the difference between types of space rather accurately:
http://talocanunited.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/hilownullwh.jpg
Now, which looks more fun to you?
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1820
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:28:00 -
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Adam Dimaloun wrote:So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec and the boring mining/mission running in there, I'm kind of industry thing with little interest in pvp (I do love to pvp but I have some fear from it, which I'm trying to get over)
I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win) I don't want the commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well
So what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with? Keep in mind I'm below 10 million SP char, and I can fly all races up to battleships and Minmatar AFs, Amarr AFs with T2 full fits on them, also covops frigs as well
I see EVE as a big affective game to real life as well, because if not for the space, it would be real life with all its politics/risks and mechanics
o/
Gonna level with you Adam (can i call you Adam? I can, thanks!).
You WILL lose stuff sometimes in null if you stay there long enough. The trick is to become an expert at staying safe PLUS learning that it's all just meaningless pixels anyway. Living in High Security Space reinforces the false idea that your "stuff" is actually valuable and worth keeping, when in fact this is a video game and losing EVERYTHING except the noob ships you get for free is nothing more than a slight bump in an imaginary road.
EVE "stuff" only has what mental value people assign to it (except of course MY stuff like my Machariel, that's real, I fly it to my real life job everyday, only difference is that in real life unlike in EVE it costs me 5 bucks a day to dock, damn downtown parking situation). What was I saying? Oh yea.
You can't live in null if you can't deal with loss. High Sec is FULL of failed null sec people who couldn't figure out how to live in null and think they game should be changed to accommodate their failure in null rather than them growing a "sack" and learning something.
In the same way EVE isn't (or shouldn't be) for everyone, null isn't for everyone, step one is asking yourself "is this right for me" and take it from there. if the answer is no, find something else to do, if it's yes, find a corp of like minded people (they exist) and join them. That's what i did, my corp is cool and laid back and our situation is less stressful than being in a "front line" pvp all the time null corp and that's just the way we like it.
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Adam Dimaloun
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:29:00 -
[38] - Quote
@Desert Ice78: Well, I like gang PVP more than solo, in fact I'm looking to get all my EWAR (ECM) skills to 5, which I got most of them on 4, and 2 on 5 now, also with EWAR, I'm planning for logistics as well... this not to completely remove the combat roles of course... but EWAR/Logi are first on the list for me
@Cipher7: I know what you mean exactly, I know a highsec corp wardec a FW corp who lives in low sec, once those mrces brought some ships into low sec near that FW corp and they got raped, so they dropped the wardec
Everyone else, Thanks! for the nice comments and advices, I think I'll find my way there through a corp or even go blow my ships there to get used to the 0.0 bubbles and traps and how people live there |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1820
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:32:00 -
[39] - Quote
Adam Dimaloun wrote:@Desert Ice78: Well, I like gang PVP more than solo, in fact I'm looking to get all my EWAR (ECM) skills to 5, which I got most of them on 4, and 2 on 5 now, also with EWAR, I'm planning for logistics as well... this not to completely remove the combat roles of course... but EWAR/Logi are first on the list for me
@Cipher7: I know what you mean exactly, I know a highsec corp wardec a FW corp who lives in low sec, once those mrces brought some ships into low sec near that FW corp and they got raped, so they dropped the wardec
Everyone else, Thanks! for the nice comments and advices, I think I'll find my way there through a corp or even go blow my ships there to get used to the 0.0 bubbles and traps and how people live there
That's the spirit. With one post you demonstrate you've got more (real, actual) balls than 99% of high sec. Good luck Adam.
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Adam Dimaloun
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:46:00 -
[40] - Quote
@Meytal: I have not given WH space much thoughts, but after your reply I will :D |
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Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
508
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:21:00 -
[41] - Quote
Adam Dimaloun wrote:So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec a....I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win)I don't want the commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well o/
Sounds like you're unsure of committing and losing out or getting hurt/scammed in some way. This is understandable because it's not really clear what you are committing to or how.
The best thing to do is ask yourself the questions because you can answer them and it will help you find your place in EVE.
Ask yourself what do you want to get out of the exerpience? ISK, fun, a good killboard, friends, all of this? Also ask yourself what are you willing to risk losing? How much ISK, how much time, how many ships?
Once you have answered these questions you can find an entity that can help you. Remember this is a two-way process. Null-sec alliances need you as much as you need them - I'm serious.
To help avoid a negative experience, look for alliances that will give you the foothold that you need to get yourself going according to your andswers to your own questions.
For example, you might find an alliance where you can change your med-clone to their home station and pod-express (self destruct a naked clone in hi sec) to get there. Then buy a pre-fit ship from contracts instead of having to try hauling one out there. It's fairly low risk and gets you setup with minimal hassle.
If you're having to compromise on your goals too much to join a corporation or alliance then they're probably not the one for you. Looks like the yellow quafe shirt is more popular than I thought ;) |
Anyura
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:27:00 -
[42] - Quote
Seems like a good place to tell my story.
Once upon a time, there was a young capsuleer called Anyura. She spent her days running low level missions in Amarr space but felt that something was wrong. She'd fly into the dead space pockets and almost immediately send the camera drone to orbit around the Succubus and Phantasm rats she was shooting. These strange alien looking vessels were so much cooler than the wretched Omen she found herself lumbered with. She began getting in Sansha fiction and eventually had the good fortune to win her hearts desire in a writing competition - a Phantasm.
"This is my destiny!" she thought. "I shall take this cruiser to Stain and run missions and maybe, in the fullness of time, have a Nightmare."
With a bold heart, she set her autopilot and left Amarr space.
She promptly got shredded on the HED gatecamp. -.-
After sobbing for several days over the loss of her precious, she resolved to try and make her way to Stain once again. This time, all she took was a Coercer and a bunch of BPOs to make the frigates and mods she would need. She found a quiet corner and set to work.
Those early days were tough and the CONCORD frigates tougher. Scurrying around like a little mouse, she made sure to gather as many trash modules as she could. When her hold was full, she took them to the station next door and reprocessed them to make her frigates and modules. The days ticked by and the LP slowly accrued. She learned to watch Dscan and local like a hawk. The day finally came and she achieved her goal. Sometimes, in a quite corner of Stain, you'll see a Phantasm fighting for the glory of the Nation, piloted by a very happy capsuleer. =) |
Victor Dathar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:40:00 -
[43] - Quote
Coming from an organisation that takes our K:D ratio very seriously I recommend flying swarms of rifters into things until you welcome the sound of your pod exploding as it means you can get another rifter. |
BoBoZoBo
Divine Beasts Nite's Reign
227
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:53:00 -
[44] - Quote
Find the right Corp/Alliance that matches your play-style and 0.0 is fun.
You biggest problem right now is fear. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Rykuss
In Praise Of Bacchus
75
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Posted - 2013.05.15 21:59:00 -
[45] - Quote
I can guarantee you with 100% certainty, that once you lose that first ship while out on a roam with friends, you'll be addicted. You mentioned asking friends, why don't you do that right now? I was in the same boat as you are, it's called burnout as others have mentioned. Surly some of your friends have experience with low and null, probably even extended an invitation to you in the past. Why not take them up on it?
As to your question, I just jumped into low-sec. After making a blank jump clone and checking the map, of course. To my surprise, I didn't die. The boogeymen and certain death, I had heard about, weren't there. So i went further, only to find that most systems were quite empty. I started exploring the systems, looking for useful resources, and before I knew it I had found a place to settle in. After that, I started watching the traffic to get a feel for the people that lived there and who was just passing through.
I ran a few sites, did some mining and moved more assets in. Pretty soon, it was home. Then I decided to take up some friends on their offer to hang out in NPC Null. I took a few things down and discovered I loved it. They offered a jump freighter service, which I took advantage of, which made things even easier. They also had a rorqual and offered jump clone services. There are sites to run, decent ratting and opportunities to mine and roam for small gang PvP.
I can participate as often or as little as I like. Living here is what I make it, it can be fun or boring. I primarily live in null now but I still like to jump clone back to my low-sec system once in a while. Once accept that you're going to lose ships, it gets a lot easier. Can I have your vindicator? |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
336
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:05:00 -
[46] - Quote
Adam Dimaloun wrote:It is not about fear to do something in a video game, I do stunts and crazy stuff in other games as well, the unique thing about eve makes you consider every move you make so you don't have to deal with its in-game consequences later (with lots of ISK loss or loss of pod that lead to loss of SP in case of non-upgraded clone), in other games you die, you spawn again... that's it
But if I got it correct, I should just get there with my pod or 1 expendable ship, then try to manage from there how to establish a base of operation? If that was the case I guess I can look on the routes/choke points between high/null or low/null and see what is the best to establish a logistics line for me Seeing as you don't actually know what you want to do in null yet then you have two options.
1. Join a already established corporation and try and join in with what they are doing. They will tell you what skills and ships to aim for etc and you will generally get the hang of it by learning from them.
2. Read up, research, and read more. If you intend on going to null sec solo then be backed up with a lot of knowledge and know what your options are. Without the correct ships and abilities/knowledge, you will quickly die and your expedition will be fruitless. I wouldn't recommend this unless you are a dedicated and intelligent person who can quickly learn from mistakes.
Simply running in with a T1 frigate as some others have suggested will be fruitless also (this isn't FW). You will be killed quickly and won't achieve anything. |
Dukandreas
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:08:00 -
[47] - Quote
You can try going to Providence (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Providence). It is occupied by some alliances that operate NRDS (Not Red Don't Shoot) which means neutrals are welcome. There are many groups that live out there that would probably love to have you and could help you out. But you can also fly solo out there, just might be easier to fly with others and get access to the intel channels. And if you want to shoot people, make sure to check if they are KOS (http://kos.cva-eve.org/).
Fly safe o7 |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1637
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:13:00 -
[48] - Quote
I went straight to nullsec and I've not really left. Highsec is weird to me. So many neutrals that I'm not allowed to shoot. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2471
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:29:00 -
[49] - Quote
Adam Dimaloun wrote:SSo what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with? Get a lot of cheap ships, fit them up in a low-sec station, get VERY drunk, and then "Leeroy" all of them against the locals. Try to make snarky comments that are actually funny.
Eventually you'll get picked up by someone and he/she will teach you about low-sec.
Rinse and repeat with 0.0 space once you are comfortable in low-sec. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Gustoff Jones
NORDIC COMPANY S2N Citizens
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:40:00 -
[50] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:I went straight to nullsec and I've not really left. Highsec is weird to me. t.
sorry, ain't much on reading :P read ops and one above this, and i didn't go straight to null, spent a while in hi sec, been in null for 3-4 yrs, so i can relate to the So many neutrals that I'm not allowed to shoot, hi sec is just weird any more, got 6 toon hulk fleet, all, now, with combat skills :). Don't roam much, mostly defence, but if you find a good renter corp in null, and learn the ropes of null, hi sec and war dec's don't mean nothing no more , there a joke to me now, guess cause i refuse to even go there, even after a wanna rage quit loss :) null in most cases is safer than hi sec, no one jumps in to gank ya, they come to pop ya, NBSI before it shoots you :) just my 2 cents :) |
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
610
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:58:00 -
[51] - Quote
It is a silly place... unless you enjoy pushing the pram alot.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2765
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Posted - 2013.05.15 23:17:00 -
[52] - Quote
End Game Version 1: Put everything you own into a hauler and go get ganked. Then ragequit.
End Game Version 2: Put everything you own into nullsec and then lose everything due to corp/alliance drama or nerd rage (like failing to make a CTA or saying the wrong thing) Then ragequit.
Or do it the way I do.
Stay in highsec. Your home base at least.
Use wormholes to go to deep nullsec past the renter borders and gank pipelines where it's so deserted you won't see anybody for weeks, and in my experience, months.
Fill up your hull with rat loot or whatever (exploration - whatever it is you are after) and then use wormholes to get back to high sec.
Kill sleepers on the way depending on where you are.
It might not be as profitable as "running anoms" but if profit and ISK are what you care about then you don't need to leave highsec for that.
If PVP is what you want then you should go to lowsec because PVP in my way of nullsec means you screwed up somewhere.
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JackknifedII
The Canaries The Explicit Alliance
28
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:55:00 -
[53] - Quote
If you have still not made up your mind then I will take you on. I am just about to get a new foothold in 0.0 and I need heroes!
And bombers. Lots of bombers.
Dreams are transitory in nature, and therefore wasted on the living... Minmatar....we are generally unpleasant to be around....
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Snaggletooth Slackjaw
Banana Moon Industries
8
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Posted - 2013.05.21 12:16:00 -
[54] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Stay in highsec. Your home base at least.
Use wormholes to go to deep nullsec past the renter borders and gank pipelines where it's so deserted you won't see anybody for weeks, and in my experience, months.
Fill up your hull with rat loot or whatever (exploration - whatever it is you are after) and then use wormholes to get back to high sec.
Kill sleepers on the way depending on where you are.
It might not be as profitable as "running anoms" but if profit and ISK are what you care about then you don't need to leave highsec for that.
If PVP is what you want then you should go to lowsec because PVP in my way of nullsec means you screwed up somewhere.
We set up a pos in a C3 static null wormhole for a week or so. Always an exit to somewhere in nullsec, usually somewhere 30 jumps from empire. Plenty of opportunities to run sites or mine in null - if someone appears in local, just head back into the wormhole. Every now and again, an easy route to empire appears, and you can cash in the goodies.
As long as you have half decent scanning and cloaking skills, and lots of patience, it's a fun way to play for a while. Especially if you can get a crew of 3 - 5 buddies online at the same time fairly regularly
Yes, sometimes you run into a bigger, more organized outfit, and they pop your orca or something, but hey, it's all part of the fun. Eve is so much more than just pootling around in hi-sec. CEO, Banana Moon Industries. |
London
Justified Chaos
46
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Posted - 2013.05.21 12:16:00 -
[55] - Quote
Faction Warfare is where it's at. |
Anselm Toralen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.05.21 12:54:00 -
[56] - Quote
It's a game. It's pixels. You can't be afraid of pixels in the game. Take a ship, a couple of friends and go to null, or to low, you don't have to move all your staff there. |
Gus Huntah
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:00:00 -
[57] - Quote
Thank you OP for a great thread.
I've joined two "newbie friendly" null sec corps so far and I've had several issues
1- As a relatively new player (in the sense of experience, not SP count), I could not fly ships that could fit my purpose of making some isk and consequently be able to afford a lot of pvp deaths. Ratting was my only real option, but ratting in a BC or marginally BS with sub par skills meant I could bearly kill a rat before having to warp out for repairs.
2- Low activity of corp members meant I had to ship spin or solo rat (which as I just said was a challenge in itself)
3- Frequent changes in home base
4- Logistics were from my experience a nightmare. Yes I did make some isk from ratting but getting to HS Amarr / Jita etc. and actually selling them on the market in order to realize that isk profit, was a different story altogether.
I DID and still do love null sec, its emptiness, the options available and the freedom, but in between al those there were (again - in my personal experience) a significant amount of nuisances that just didn't allow me to have fun. I am now back in HS, bored to death I must admit.
I would love to find an active, newbie friendly 0.0 corp that is active, dedicated to their home, and take the time to make, from scratch, loyal supporters and good friends.
I just feel that the hands of low SP characters are tied and they HAVE TO stay in HS at least until they reach 10m SP. Mind you, a newbie like myself will make a lot of bad calls when allocating SP simply because he or she will lake the experience, which is why I say 10m SP as a minimum.
Perhaps a good idea would be for CCP to create some skill queue recommendations for new players, according to the career path they would like to follow, thereby minimizing the time required to actually have fun in null sec space. |
Skeln Thargensen
Thargensen Plumbing Services
168
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:19:00 -
[58] - Quote
maybe try wh space? the issues with null are mostly getting in through the choke points. since wh space is both null itself and connects to null though various wandering, static and exit wormholes, it's both the null sec one jump away from high for day tripping, or a conduit for the more patient. freelance space bum |
Nutarum
WALLTREIPERS WALLTREIPERS ALLIANCE
0
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:26:00 -
[59] - Quote
just go! |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami Moon Warriors
368
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Posted - 2013.05.21 15:04:00 -
[60] - Quote
Adam Dimaloun wrote:So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec and the boring mining/mission running in there, I'm kind of industry thing with little interest in pvp (I do love to pvp but I have some fear from it, which I'm trying to get over)
I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win) I don't want the commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well
So what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with? Keep in mind I'm below 10 million SP char, and I can fly all races up to battleships and Minmatar AFs, Amarr AFs with T2 full fits on them, also covops frigs as well
I see EVE as a big affective game to real life as well, because if not for the space, it would be real life with all its politics/risks and mechanics
o/
Well, I got into incursions (as a 3month old) and found this dude who invited me to corp who did like minded things. That corp was part of an alliance that had a highsec base, a lowsec base and a null base. One of the FCs from one of the other corps ran lowsec roams. I joined in a cheapass frigate.
It took off from there to where I prefer nullsec but miss and try to go to lowsec when I can.
Screw highsec. It sucks. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
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Haseo Antares
Corollary Forest Fairytail.
50
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Posted - 2013.05.21 15:13:00 -
[61] - Quote
This is kind of like asking a woman you just met out for a drink...sometimes you just gotta grab your balls and go for it.
We currently have the world's greatest linguists and scientists trying to decode whatn++ you just said. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1648
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Posted - 2013.05.23 04:39:00 -
[62] - Quote
Gustoff Jones wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:I went straight to nullsec and I've not really left. Highsec is weird to me. t. sorry, ain't much on reading :P read ops and one above this, and i didn't go straight to null, spent a while in hi sec, been in null for 3-4 yrs, so i can relate to the So many neutrals that I'm not allowed to shoot, hi sec is just weird any more, got 6 toon hulk fleet, all, now, with combat skills :). Don't roam much, mostly defence, but if you find a good renter corp in null, and learn the ropes of null, hi sec and war dec's don't mean nothing no more , there a joke to me now, guess cause i refuse to even go there, even after a wanna rage quit loss :) null in most cases is safer than hi sec, no one jumps in to gank ya, they come to pop ya, NBSI before it shoots you :) just my 2 cents :)
Clearly you aren't in Delve if you think nullsec is safe. Oh S2n citizens, right, a pet of a crap alliance.
Side edit: You aren't much on writing either. |
Steve WingYip
Lumodynamics Power Control Corp Panda Cave
38
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Posted - 2013.05.23 05:13:00 -
[63] - Quote
JD No7 wrote:0.0 is not half as bad as what you may think, once you have moved there.
Do not take the empire link system camps as how the rest of 0.0 is. It's nothing like.
0.0 is kinda safer than empire because you have local chat which is your best friend. xD |
Tasha Saisima
State War Academy Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.05.23 05:19:00 -
[64] - Quote
Npc 0.0 is where it ats |
Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
324
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Posted - 2013.05.23 05:33:00 -
[65] - Quote
So there was this time that I decided to go to nullsec. I went to a gate and got a little bit sidetracked. I ended up in a freight container headed to jove space. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7959
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Posted - 2013.05.23 05:48:00 -
[66] - Quote
Steve WingYip wrote:0.0 is kinda safer than empire because you have local chat which is your best friend. xD i'm fairly sure that exists in empire too
empire pubbies just haven't figured out how to use it to stay relatively safe because they're a) dumb as hell and b) overly reliant on concord
and let's face it you won't get ganked in highsec unless you're asking for it mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9520
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Posted - 2013.05.23 05:55:00 -
[67] - Quote
Steve WingYip wrote:JD No7 wrote:0.0 is not half as bad as what you may think, once you have moved there.
Do not take the empire link system camps as how the rest of 0.0 is. It's nothing like. 0.0 is kinda safer than empire because you have local chat which is your best friend. xD
0.0 is an order of magnitude less safe than hisec. However, if you live in 0.0 you learn to provide your own safety rather than relying on NPCs.
1 Kings 12:11
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OfBalance
Caldari State
503
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:32:00 -
[68] - Quote
Stepping out of empire isn't so much unsafe as it is time consuming. You have to make bookmarks, think about where you're going and who might already be there (or at some stop along the way), and you'd be quite wise to consider your long-term plans if you are trapped somewhere. Other than that, it's the usual. Figure out a way to make some isk. Figure out how you want to burn that isk blowing up space pixels.
It all seems quite dramatic, but given a little time and the support of a corp the transition isn't too rough. All but two of my characters live in npc nullsec full-time and I haven't lost a ship that I didn't intend to loose in quite a few months. I have been camped in station from time to time, but again, that comes with the territory.
If you don't have more than one account, I'd suggest investing in a few jump clones and parking an alt in Jita. |
Adam Dimaloun
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:55:00 -
[69] - Quote
Well, got my ass into a WH corp with a null static and I still have not finished the logistics stuff (turned out they are more nightmare than the nightmare in null ) But I'm sure I'll spend good times... already started to see some shiny ships I can shoot, and I'm planning to take a look through that static to null very soon
You guys are awesome |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
17
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Posted - 2013.05.23 09:24:00 -
[70] - Quote
Maybe things have changed some but when I was living in Null it was a hell of a lot more boring than highsec. The moment anything not blue is spotted it was broadcast to the whole alliance. Then tracked down n ganked by way to many people to make it fun.
Other than that sitting at gate with way too many people at a choke trying to lock and hit something before it exploded.
I think you'll get over your fear quickly there. The upside is heaps of isk for virtually no risk. You can gank at low sec or high as much as you like and make great isk getting your sec status back. .
Truthfully the only time your in danger is when you're in someone else's space and marginally war areas. In your own alliance space you're safer than highsec. |
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Ultim8Evil
Stargate SG-1 Fatal Ascension
43
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Posted - 2013.05.23 09:34:00 -
[71] - Quote
Felicity Love wrote:It is a silly place... unless you enjoy pushing the pram alot.
Stealth Monty Python reference detected. |
Hardin
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
41
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Posted - 2013.05.23 09:35:00 -
[72] - Quote
Brooks Puuntai wrote:floating in space wrote:Just Lilly wrote:I recommend wormspace, establish your own base of operations from inside a C1, start from there. Wormholes are a lot scarier than nullsec imo ^ This. Best bet is to join a ****** alliance like a renter or CVA. Learn the ropes and break the ice when it comes to living in 0.0 then move up from there. Trying to explain being in a ****** renter corp or CVA, however might be problematic later on though.
A lot of great FCs and Leaders got their start in CVA or other Provi alliances. It's a great way to get your feet wet in 0.0...
Amarr Victor |
Garresh
Team Chicken and Waffles
208
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Posted - 2013.05.23 09:47:00 -
[73] - Quote
Lowsec. Cheap t1 frigates. Go learn to PvP and join the ranks of the awesome. This Space Intentionally Left Blank |
Nessa Aldeen
First Among Equals
54
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:55:00 -
[74] - Quote
Adam Dimaloun wrote:So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec and the boring mining/mission running in there, I'm kind of industry thing with little interest in pvp (I do love to pvp but I have some fear from it, which I'm trying to get over)
I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win) I don't want the commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well
So what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with? Keep in mind I'm below 10 million SP char, and I can fly all races up to battleships and Minmatar AFs, Amarr AFs with T2 full fits on them, also covops frigs as well
I see EVE as a big affective game to real life as well, because if not for the space, it would be real life with all its politics/risks and mechanics
o/
My dear sir, your fear of null sec is unwarranted. There are many ways to get there and the fact of the matter is, in quite a number of circumstances, it is particularly predictable. It is HI SEC that you should fear due to the fact you may never know what concoction of devilry players can cook up to destroy in the most unpredictable time and fashion.
Join the many nullsec bears out there as their l33t pvper protect the borders while you plonk around with your might mack. Also, feel free to join 'ratting and plexing' gangs that they have. On the pvp side, I would suggest to follow their CTAs in extremely predictable fashion and go out and spend hours shooting POSes. Most times, you will be merrily carebearing away especially if you're not in the main time zone. The only thing you need to know while doing that: safe spots, and POS when a red or neut comes into system.
So, carebear away or pvp, null sec is pretty much the same ole same ole years ago. |
Kain Bodom
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
7
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:57:00 -
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Join BNI. |
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:24:00 -
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Tuttomenui II wrote:When I went to null I took only what i needed there and left my hisec mission infrastructure intact. A lot of people decide to take everything and then whine how they lost it all on the way in. So only take what you need and then accumulate more while there, leave your hisec stuff in place. It is good to have something to fall back on.
This. ^ |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:37:00 -
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Adam Dimaloun wrote:So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec and the boring mining/mission running in there, I'm kind of industry thing with little interest in pvp (I do love to pvp but I have some fear from it, which I'm trying to get over)
I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win) I don't want the commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well
So what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with? Keep in mind I'm below 10 million SP char, and I can fly all races up to battleships and Minmatar AFs, Amarr AFs with T2 full fits on them, also covops frigs as well
I see EVE as a big affective game to real life as well, because if not for the space, it would be real life with all its politics/risks and mechanics
o/ I moved into Null with 2 Million SP. Best thing I ever did...
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Mhax Arthie
77
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:25:00 -
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I needed some stupid minerals to finish my tutorial mission during my trial and the trolls from the rookie channel, helpfull as always, sent me to a XYZ-00 system 33 jumps away to get it. I returned pissed off because I found no minerals there, but at least a kind sould gave me few million isk at the destination saying that is a reward being stupid but brave. Took me few days to realise that actually that was my first trip into null.
After I finished the scanning tutorial, I ended up into a WH by practicing my scanning skills. I jumped into a site where I had meet few sleepers that got very angry seeing me so I had to exit. A hour later another noob was screaming into the corp chat that he is being trapt into a WH. It was the moment when I had learnt what a WH is and why is not good to enter without probes.
Nothing to be afraid in null if your not there just to **** people off. Most of the times, null is much more friendly and safe than hi sec or low sec. If there is no way you can get over your fear to get into null, grab a beer and a cheap frigate, point on a random location on the outskirt of the map and just go. Just don't use autopilot. |
Neddy Fox
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
26
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:40:00 -
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I was a 6M SP highsec miner nub when I looked for something else to do; after scanning the recruitement forums for a week I contacted a group that lived in nullsec and seemed pretty decent / nice ppl to play with.
Liquidated everything, bought an interceptor and went to null, never to come back. If you have an Industrial background (ESPECIALLY if you know pos reactions) you can make tons and tons of passive iskies, while doing the best in eve : roam/fight with friends, and have fun.
Things to look for :
-Don't fall for Goon scams. You cannot join them unless you already know how to , then you dont need those recruiters anyways. -Ppl that will help you with skillplans, teach you important things about what they mean for you and your ships. -Some basic ship replacement programs, unless you have a few billion and don't care. -Comms, comms, comms. Nullsec/PVP does NOT work if you are microphone shy. Don't want to talk? Forget 95% of any nullsec Alliance. -Get a jumpclone, fit it with 2 +3 implants (Always train with that in mind) and leave your +5 in empire for easy access to lvl4/iskies. -Large Alliance DO suffer from wardecs, a lot; ask about it, and let them help you circumvent going to empire (JF services are key, and should be offered for very low prices / fuel cost). -Go have fun; pilots DO take their pixels way too serious in many cases, but try to understand that FC's are most times very frustrated bittervets who don't like to tell you over and over how to align / fit ships.. Before you start flying , make sure you talk to others in corp how to behave/fly (Anecdote : First time I ever went in fleet I yelled at some random dude to stop yelling in chat (he was typing in capital letters) , little did I know that he was relaying commands and that it's done with capital letters).. I was kicked out of fleet and killed 5 seconds later :P
-Most important : Don't be afraid for nullsec, it IS actually pretty empty, unless you go out and look for trouble.. trouble will find you then quickly :P |
Adam Dimaloun
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:11:00 -
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So far one of the best posts I've ever seen :D (not because I posted it) because of all this awesome info you guys put
I don't care about losing ships or pods anymore, some stuff you put here are awesome, I'll see how it work out for me in the WH not to mention I already have access to 0.0 from it, so I might put my stuff in 0.0 and live between those 2 |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2808
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:32:00 -
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Le Badass wrote:I started out in NPC null with a stealth bomber and a condor along with assorted modules and bubbles. If you want to start totally from scratch, find a system near medical facilites (for your clone when you die), refinery and production slots. Then, fly in a mining venture (will also be handy for slipping through gatecamps on the way) with some basic BPOs in the hold. Although pretty crappy compared to everything else, you can mine minerals and recycle dropped modules to build your own frigs and so on. The BPOs will cost you anywhere from 5-20M depending on what you choose to bring.
And yes, I know that a meta 0 slasher suxxorz, but an industrial or pod trapped in a bubble WILL die eventually. When you lose your meta 0 frig, it won't really matter.
Just my 2 cents.
EDIT: You can probe down mag sites in null, then speed tank most of the rats while you hack the cans. Even if you don't get them all, before the incoming DPS is too much, you can still make a fair amount, so that's a nice side business when you find one.
Don't be so sure about that last part. I used to do that in wormholes, but the last time I was in deep null I got a message that I cannot access the containers "while they are still being defended". |
Neddy Fox
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
26
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:39:00 -
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It depends on the sites. Some cans can be hacked while NPC's are around, some are not. Don't ask me which tho, it's been years since I ran magnos :) |
Leper ofBacon
Benzene Inc. Incendia legio scientiae
18
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:44:00 -
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You need to lose your fear of loss in the game until it's like playing mario bros with unlimited lives. The usual adage is 'don't fly ships you can't afford to lose', but it should read 'don't fly ships you can't afford to lose by the bucketload'.
Go set up 100 frigs and enjoy the game. You only lose if you don't go out, die ten times, and come back better next time. |
Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
861
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Posted - 2013.05.23 18:42:00 -
[84] - Quote
Worm holes can be your best chance an getting somewhere you never dreamed of going to.
They allow you to bypass the [dead as a donkey] gate camps at the high sec / low sec entry points.
Will never get over your fear of loss if you don't start losing stuff.
--- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. **** |
Beltze Sorgin
L V B Industries STELLAR CONSTELLATION
11
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Posted - 2013.05.23 21:28:00 -
[85] - Quote
I've spent a fair bit of time in null & once you get there (past the gatecamps) & get to know the locals it's friendlier than low sec. As others have said "it's only pixels." You'll have a few heart stopping moments but you'll enjoy yaself. |
Neddy Fox
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
26
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Posted - 2013.05.24 09:27:00 -
[86] - Quote
This is why we are in nullsec : One of the biggest fights this year.
The fight over 1-smeb |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3227
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Posted - 2013.05.24 09:33:00 -
[87] - Quote
Adam Dimaloun wrote:So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec and the boring mining/mission running in there, I'm kind of industry thing with little interest in pvp (I do love to pvp but I have some fear from it, which I'm trying to get over)
I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win) I don't want the commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well
So what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with? Keep in mind I'm below 10 million SP char, and I can fly all races up to battleships and Minmatar AFs, Amarr AFs with T2 full fits on them, also covops frigs as well
I see EVE as a big affective game to real life as well, because if not for the space, it would be real life with all its politics/risks and mechanics
o/
If anything, I have had significantly less time commitment since I moved to null.
I log on when I want to, and ISK flows easily, so actually getting enough to have fun takes no time at all (and in fact is mostly passive in my case). TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2013.05.24 09:49:00 -
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Simply put, EVE isn't a solo game, it would be boring and you would have quit long ago. Solo PvP will probably never be for you, but big fleet pvp can be fun, Eve likes blobs anyway and isn't that scary.
If you are a complete nullsec drone you are in the wrong alliance/corp, there are plenty of aliances out there that doesn't require you to constantly join fleets, but still join them whenever the f you want.
What you need is people to do stuff with, doesn't have to be PvP all the time, can be PvE, mining, wormhole stuff, industry stuff, hauling, exploring, probing name it, i like variety myself.
You simply need to find a corp that has a relaxed atmosphere, fairly large and active. Put some effort in socializing, make friends and eventually, things that are boring will suddenly be more interesting. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family The Retirement Club
0
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Posted - 2013.05.24 10:44:00 -
[89] - Quote
I suspect a lot of people in eve have this or similar problems. This thread is full of great advice but i would like to add a few things. The most important aspect of eve is finding out what aspects of it you enjoy. For some this is scamming, griefing, stealing. For some it is exploration. For some it is low sec piracy or faction warfare. Some people like solo PVP, some like small gangs, some like huge epic fleet battles. The other crucial aspect is finding a corp that is active, contains people that you enjoy hanging out with and enjoy similar aspects of EVE. In null sec the propagande/ agenda of the alliance you will be joining is also of consideration. Much of null sec is driven by player created storyline politics. It is worth finding out a bit about this before you sign up,
Having given this as a short outline i wanted to tell you a bit about my eve journey so far and to show people that access to null is easier than you think it is.
My "main" has 11 million SP and does exploration. As i do it solo i made this account as a scout for low sec gates and to watch wormhole exits for me. The corp i was in got war dec'd and i was very frustrated that everyone went to ground and refused to try and make a fleet to fight. I decided then and there i needed to learn to PVP. I looked around for a bit and found a PVP academy belonging to The Manson Family. I joined up with this char and started pvping in frigs /destroyers in low sec while they taught us the basics and took us on some null sec roams. It was supremely fun and my "main" turned into just a source of isk to fund this new pvp habit of mine . Enthusiasm fo running the academy sadly wavered and it is now defunct but a few of us were invited to join Manson itself and i duely moved to our nullsec base. Since then I have been roaming with various members of The Retirement club in fleets small and large. We mainly fight Goons and their allies. It has been fantasic fun and the thrill of engaging a far more powerful fleet whilst praying that your fleet commanders have a trick up their sleeve is immense. The mad dashes accross a dozen or so hostile systems to reach an enemy carrier pinned down so we can kill it before it's own help arrives is thrilling. Taking small fleets into the heart of enemy territory and performing quick hit and run strikes on their shiping before breaking off to a safe spot before they can muster overwhelming forces is just amazing.
TL;DR null sec pvp is varied and fun. Join a null sec corp asap and try it for yourself. Beware of people that require fees to apply. Hit me up in game to ask more questions or to apply to Manson Family. |
Eko Fromtv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.05.24 10:52:00 -
[90] - Quote
Hey OP I was just like you once. Just get a bunch of frigs and destroyers (50 of each?) and go fight people. You will lose them all, but you won't care, because they are cheap and more importantly you will lose your fear/risk aversion as well. Miner for life. |
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Skeln Thargensen
Thargensen Plumbing Services
168
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Posted - 2013.05.24 11:34:00 -
[91] - Quote
Adam Dimaloun wrote:So far one of the best posts I've ever seen :D (not because I posted it) because of all this awesome info you guys put
I don't care about losing ships or pods anymore, some stuff you put here are awesome, I'll see how it work out for me in the WH not to mention I already have access to 0.0 from it, so I might put my stuff in 0.0 and live between those 2
also consider anchoring a giant secure container in your wh at a safe in the system. that way you can stash ammo, nanite repair paste and loot while you wait for the static to connect close to your stuffs. afaik they're virtually impossible to locate.
I'm still trying to figure this out for myself but C2 seem the best for wh 'travel' as they can have two statics, giving opportunities to bridge k-space though a chain of wormholes. freelance space bum |
Succubus with Dreads
Court and Banker Company
1
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:58:00 -
[92] - Quote
Adam Dimaloun wrote:So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec and the boring mining/mission running in there, I'm kind of industry thing with little interest in pvp (I do love to pvp but I have some fear from it, which I'm trying to get over)
I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win) I don't want the commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well
So what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with? Keep in mind I'm below 10 million SP char, and I can fly all races up to battleships and Minmatar AFs, Amarr AFs with T2 full fits on them, also covops frigs as well
I see EVE as a big affective game to real life as well, because if not for the space, it would be real life with all its politics/risks and mechanics
o/
Find a null sec alliance that is newbro friendly. (There are several) They will help you get used to living in null and you will have alot more fun because of it.
Playing eve just in high sec by yourself running missions is bad. |
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