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Zor Isu
Eve Blackjack
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Posted - 2013.05.15 05:32:00 -
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Hi there,
Eve Entrepreneur here with Eve Blackjack.
While you will never convince everyone, or possibly anyone in Eve that a Eve related business venture is not a scam, you have to do your best to try. In our case, I had an idea, and a friend helped me realize it and now we are partners.
But in order to realize this idea, people need to know that we aren't scamming them, and if we are, there will be a price to pay. From what i know of the gambling business model, and i know a fair bit living in louisiana, the 2nd most de-regulated gambling state in the USA, it is wise to be open about your profits and payouts. People don't necessarily care that you're fleecing them, but they do care if you are doing it lawfully.
In this premise i am not sure if publishing our records is enough, perhaps a 3rd party holding assets or isk to ensure that if we are scamming people, then we get little out of it, or perhaps some way to show how we generate our numbers to prove there is no handicap on the player or house advantage.
We are willing to do what we need to do and take the steps necessary to be as forthcoming and honest about this venture as possible, so that players can with sound mind play our blackjack game, and hopefully other games in the future that will work in the eve online browser.
I am anxious to hear opinions from MD on this matter. i would like to resolve this matter before i do any really elaborate advertising in-game, or sponsorships, or events promoting the site.
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Sabre Rolf
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.15 05:45:00 -
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tbh, we dont need more third party services...Those we have are covering all timezones and some do it for free already. In this certain case "the more the better" doesnt apply. there-¦ve been so many 3rd party scam (attempts) that there is simply no logical reason to save ~100mil or wait max 1-2 hours longer and risk 30b-130b.
btw. posting with an forum-alt probably doesnt increase your credibility |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
193
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Posted - 2013.05.15 06:17:00 -
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Players are going to be paying you small amounts up-front for a simple service that resolves fairly soon after they hand over their isk. Marketing and handing out free credits would be sufficient to bring in the early customers. If you provide a cheap and flawless service to those early customers then you'll have no problem. You can then grow to handling more isk without issue.
3rd parties aren't really suitable for what you are doing (unlike for lotteries) and a 3rd party cannot easily verify what has occured in the event of dispute, which makes resolving that dispute difficult. A 3rd party is unlikely to want to take on a job like that at all and certainly not for a price that is economically viable for a start-up.
Just do it. If you are good, they will come. If you are bad, they will leave. Taking on a 3rd party will be bad for you both in the short and long term.
Sabre Rolf wrote:tbh, we dont need more third party services I don't always respond to posts, but when I do, I read them first.
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Sabre Rolf
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.15 08:00:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Sabre Rolf wrote:tbh, we dont need more third party services I don't always respond to posts, but when I do, I read them first.
I do the opposite, so what?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4069
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Posted - 2013.05.15 08:08:00 -
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Zor Isu wrote:Hi there,
Eve Entrepreneur here with Eve Blackjack.
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In this premise i am not sure if publishing our records is enough, perhaps a 3rd party holding assets or isk to ensure that if we are scamming people, then we get little out of it, or perhaps some way to show how we generate our numbers to prove there is no handicap on the player or house advantage.
Hello,
I provide for one of those 3rd party service, feel free to search this forum for past records.
If you want to protect your custormers I could hold some collateral equivalent to 1-2 times of the current average of players game and, in case of default, refund those who show up on your journal API.
You will have to make it known that players with payment issues will have to contact me to solve a dispute.
Since this looks like to be a prolonged work, there'd be a setup + recurring fee for you to pay.
Best regards, Vaerah Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
154
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Posted - 2013.05.15 11:05:00 -
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I offer third party services for GÇ£freeGÇ¥ to ventures that catch my attention. I went to your website, and read that it could take up to 48 hours for payouts. I think a third party service can alleviate the anxiety of your players and offer them some sort of assurance that you could lose some ISK if you donGÇÖt pay out. It is probably not too expensive to have a third party resolve ISK issues.
However, ISK is not everything. One major concern I have is how to ensure players that your game is not cheating them. Giving a third party access to review your code and monitor your site will probably be expensive. Without third party supervision, your site could be stealing plenty of ISK without anyone noticing it.
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Zappity
Kurved Space
84
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:25:00 -
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Sabre Rolf wrote:tbh, we dont need more third party services...Those we have are covering all timezones and some do it for free already. In this certain case "the more the better" doesnt apply. there-¦ve been so many 3rd party scam (attempts) that there is simply no logical reason to save ~100mil or wait max 1-2 hours longer and risk 30b-130b.
btw. posting with an forum-alt probably doesnt increase your credibility
You should catch the 10.47 from Charing Cross and change to the Picadilly line.
Edit: Yes, had bugger all to do with the thread but apparently that's OK. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Zor Isu
Eve Blackjack
2
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:23:00 -
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Thanks for all the great responses, this has helped.
And about posting from an Alt, sad to say that this is my new main because a Real Life friend of mine who i let use my orca and hulk was using warp to zero script and now those accounts with my mains (Cooyaw, Justitia) are perma-banned....
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Tom Hagen
Li3's Electric Cucumber Li3 Federation
134
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:41:00 -
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A real life friend... yeah right! :-P |
Zor Isu
Eve Blackjack
2
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:48:00 -
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Tom Hagen wrote:A real life friend... yeah right! :-P
it's quite true man, it's actually the guy who developed the blackjack game. getting banned over being too lazy to pilot my own damn ship is not my thing. It is what it is, if i was guilty i wouldn't post about it on the forums. maybe if i'm lucky and with both our petitions combined i could maybe get them back, but i'm not counting on it, 4 years of training gone..... www.eveblackjack.com
how to get started tutorial-á http://youtu.be/6OLJmTuvqlM |
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Zappity
Kurved Space
85
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Posted - 2013.05.15 19:13:00 -
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Ouch. What about offering third party as an option? Most players wouldn't bother after the first round due to time delay (and possibly fee?) but it would make it easier to get off the ground. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Zor Isu
Eve Blackjack
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Posted - 2013.05.15 21:29:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Ouch. What about offering third party as an option? Most players wouldn't bother after the first round due to time delay (and possibly fee?) but it would make it easier to get off the ground.
what you mean? i'm not sure i get the part about "first round" and "3rd party as an option" www.eveblackjack.com
how to get started tutorial-á http://youtu.be/6OLJmTuvqlM |
Zor Isu
Eve Blackjack
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Posted - 2013.05.15 21:50:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Zor Isu wrote:Hi there,
Eve Entrepreneur here with Eve Blackjack.
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In this premise i am not sure if publishing our records is enough, perhaps a 3rd party holding assets or isk to ensure that if we are scamming people, then we get little out of it, or perhaps some way to show how we generate our numbers to prove there is no handicap on the player or house advantage.
Hello, I provide for one of those 3rd party service, feel free to search this forum for past records. If you want to protect your custormers I could hold some collateral equivalent to 1-2 times of the current average of players game and, in case of default, refund those who show up on your journal API. You will have to make it known that players with payment issues will have to contact me to solve a dispute. Since this looks like to be a prolonged work, there'd be a setup + recurring fee for you to pay. Best regards, Vaerah
VV i am interested in your offer, however, do you speak english? could we communicate directly? TS? skype?" www.eveblackjack.com
how to get started tutorial-á http://youtu.be/6OLJmTuvqlM |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
122
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Posted - 2013.05.15 21:51:00 -
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Zappity means that the 48 hour delay could potentially put people off, even if they try 1 hand.
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Zor Isu
Eve Blackjack
2
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:52:00 -
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oh, the 48 hour thing is an extreme unlikelyhood, payouts usually occur within minutes, however if someone in EU timezone (we don't have any staff online at that time usually), it usually takes up to 6 hours, 48 hours the absolute MAXIMUM foreseeable time it could POSSIBLY take.
www.eveblackjack.com
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Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
2631
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Posted - 2013.05.16 11:01:00 -
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Zor Isu wrote:Thanks for all the great responses, this has helped.
And about posting from an Alt, sad to say that this is my new main because a Real Life friend of mine who i let use my orca and hulk was using warp to zero script and now those accounts with my mains (Cooyaw, Justitia) are perma-banned....
I don't think you were perma banned for the AP to 0 but more likely thr account sharing, GJ br0 WTB Archon's in bulk. Mail me GÖÑ Monocle Clubhouse Lotteries GÖÑ
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Zor Isu
Eve Blackjack
3
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:45:00 -
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I deserved a ban for account sharing, if that is a perma ban offense, then so be it, i made my bed. www.eveblackjack.com
how to get started tutorial-á http://youtu.be/6OLJmTuvqlM |
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