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Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
227
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Posted - 2013.05.12 02:59:00 -
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I did issue it on purpose, so I'm entirely at fault for the loss of my implants I forgot about.
Yes these are tears. Yes I am crying. Yes, you can, AND SHOULD enjoy them.
The duel feature needs a confirmation when issuing a challenge.
Secondly make it clear when issuing a challenge, that the other pilot is allowed to pod.
The feature does say "Normal rules" but it's not defined what that means. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1449
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Posted - 2013.05.12 03:01:00 -
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Perhaps there should be a dueling tutorial. Though usually CCP just expects you to look up the info yourself.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
875
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Posted - 2013.05.12 03:13:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:I did issue it on purpose, so I'm entirely at fault for the loss of my implants I forgot about.
Yes these are tears. Yes I am crying. Yes, you can, AND SHOULD enjoy them.
The duel feature needs a confirmation when issuing a challenge.
Secondly make it clear when issuing a challenge, that the other pilot is allowed to pod.
The feature does say "Normal rules" but it's not defined what that means.
I actually think podding after a duel, though not inherently "wrong" as a mechanic, is definitely counter-intuitive, as you're suggesting. It should be mentioned. |
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
205
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Posted - 2013.05.12 03:20:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:I did issue it on purpose, so I'm entirely at fault for the loss of my implants I forgot about.
Yes these are tears. Yes I am crying. Yes, you can, AND SHOULD enjoy them.
The duel feature needs a confirmation when issuing a challenge.
Secondly make it clear when issuing a challenge, that the other pilot is allowed to pod.
The feature does say "Normal rules" but it's not defined what that means. Don't worry I still have tears over getting my first hisec pod loss in a duel 2 days ago, it was devastating, 180m ISK in implants... Gone... Gonna take forever to get new ones. Never knew we could be podded in duels... Why doesn't CCP make this clear in-game?
Anyways, I can't enjoy your tears without a loss mail, and I came to this thread expecting a loss mail to make myself feel less sad, but I left more sad |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
227
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Posted - 2013.05.12 03:31:00 -
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http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19583379 ejoy |
Private Pineapple
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
324
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Posted - 2013.05.12 03:35:00 -
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Oh... good thing I didn't lose that one duel earlier then. Otherwise I might've lost 500 million in implants. This should be clarified. I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum.
I am the rightful heir to the CSM 8 throne.
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Gahou Sotken
Intergalactic Trade and Harm
0
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Posted - 2013.05.12 03:36:00 -
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Aww man, that sucks. Hunt like animals, kill like animals. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3351
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Posted - 2013.05.12 03:55:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/retribution/dueling/
Feature Page wrote:Ship destruction does not end the limited engagement, and players can therefore pod kill each other within the parameters of a duel.
If you're unsure of the mechanics of something you're going to do, why not look them up first? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Stonkeep
Osmanli Empire
22
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Posted - 2013.05.12 03:58:00 -
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You can get podded anywhere and everywhere, its part of the game. Why should duels clarify this before the engagement ? You agreed to shoot and kill each other, this includes your pod as well. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2541
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Posted - 2013.05.12 04:07:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:I did issue it on purpose, so I'm entirely at fault for the loss of my implants I forgot about.
Yes these are tears. Yes I am crying. Yes, you can, AND SHOULD enjoy them.
This is not how it works. You need to reword it so that it has more whines and bitching about CCP and capsuleers in general. Please look up General Discussion Directive #173443 before posting. |
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Private Pineapple
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
324
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Posted - 2013.05.12 04:10:00 -
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Stonkeep wrote:You can get podded anywhere and everywhere, its part of the game. Why should duels clarify this before the engagement ? You agreed to shoot and kill each other, this includes your pod as well.
In high-sec, podding universally meant you'd get Concorded except for FW targets and war targets and it had been that way for a very long time if not since the game's launch. So a "duel" in high-sec allowing podding without Concord intervention is very un-intuitive and unexpected to the majority of players so it should be clarified on the duel request. I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum.
I am the rightful heir to the CSM 8 throne.
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
876
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Posted - 2013.05.12 04:50:00 -
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Read the tone of the post. He's not crying, he's just suggesting that this is a small oversight, and I agree.
It's hard to look something up when common sense suggests that you shouldn't be podded af6tr an ~honerable spaceduel~.
Again, nothing wrong with the podding being included, just that it doesn't naturally follow for a duel, so it should be clarified at some point. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1807
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Posted - 2013.05.12 04:59:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:If you're unsure of the mechanics of something you're going to do, why not look them up first? Dev Blog - You have insulted my honor - I demand satisfaction! Dueling comes to EVE Online Dev Blog - Introducing the new and improved Crimewatch
Dueling - Retribution Retribution - Crimewatch
TLDR; dueling gives you a 5 minute limited engagement flag, with all the risks and problems associated with that (like neutral reppers). |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1287
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Posted - 2013.05.12 05:11:00 -
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I don't really know if there actually needs to be a clarification about pod killing seeing as it is now the case that you can always podkill anyone you're able to shoot at legally. |
Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1031
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Posted - 2013.05.12 05:17:00 -
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How did you manage to lose a pod in high-sec? CCP has no sense of humour. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1287
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Posted - 2013.05.12 05:28:00 -
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In my experience it's typically the stopping to type GF in local that causes the most lost pods in highsec. |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1448
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Posted - 2013.05.12 08:43:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:I did issue it on purpose, so I'm entirely at fault for the loss of my implants I forgot about. Yes these are tears. Yes I am crying. Yes, you can, AND SHOULD enjoy them. The duel feature needs a confirmation when issuing a challenge. Secondly make it clear when issuing a challenge, that the other pilot is allowed to pod. The feature does say "Normal rules" but it's not defined what that means. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19583379
Although I am not sure I agree about podding after duels, I see how many people would find it odd. I doubt it will change any time soon though because CCP's new crimewatch was designed to be as simple and straight forward as possible. When you issue and have a a duel accepted all it does is issue a limited engagement with that person without any special circumstances. If you start adding in things like "if (my ship explodes) then {end limited engagement}" then your adding special circumstances. Something they spent a lot of time and effort to stop happening.
Look on the bright side. Now you know how it works, you will warp your pod off next time.
Edit; As for clarification. It does say in the duel box that your about to enter into a limited engagement... And you should really know what a limited engagement means.
Tau Cabalander wrote:*Looked it up*
He gets it. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Zappity
Kurved Space
66
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Posted - 2013.05.12 08:46:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:In my experience it's typically the stopping to type GF in local that causes the most lost pods in highsec.
Yep. Just don't stop mashing 'warp to' until you are half way to your destination. Then you can gf before you land.
Honestly, it's EVE so just assume someone will pod you for the fun of it even if you think your duel buddy won't. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Transmaritanus
Sinister Elite Black Legion.
46
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Posted - 2013.05.12 09:45:00 -
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If you lose your pod in low/high sec to anything besides an instslocking arty thrasher scrubs campingnstation you are terrible at this game. There aren't any bubbles and you instawarp! I mean the average babied high seccer doesn't understand that just because rats don't pod doesn't mean anyone else doesn't. |
baltec1
Bat Country
6318
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Posted - 2013.05.12 10:05:00 -
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Nyancat Audeles wrote: Why doesn't CCP make this clear in-game?
They shouldn't have to, its common sense. |
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Private Pineapple
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
326
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Posted - 2013.05.12 14:01:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nyancat Audeles wrote: Why doesn't CCP make this clear in-game?
They shouldn't have to, its common sense.
It is not common sense. It may be common sense to those who keep up with CCP game mechanics, read forums, read dev blogs, and so on, but the majority of players do not do that, thus the majority of players do not know that "limited engagement" also included allowed podding.
...and even if it was common sense, my situation posted earlier in this thread already shows how pointless it is to retreat to a statement of "its common sense, so dont do it!" I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum.
I am the rightful heir to the CSM 8 throne.
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Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
218
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Posted - 2013.05.12 14:26:00 -
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Huh, I had no idea you could pod people in duels.
There should be two types of duels. One being to the death, the other not.
Then the game should really warn you if you're about to accept the former. |
Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
140
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Posted - 2013.05.12 14:41:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:I did issue it on purpose, so I'm entirely at fault for the loss of my implants I forgot about. Yes these are tears. Yes I am crying. Yes, you can, AND SHOULD enjoy them. The duel feature needs a confirmation when issuing a challenge. Secondly make it clear when issuing a challenge, that the other pilot is allowed to pod. The feature does say "Normal rules" but it's not defined what that means. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19583379
Most duelists, I've discovered, won't pod you, for the risk that your clone isn't in-system. They want you to come back for more. Lost two Rifters to a guy in Dixie, the other day. Neither time did he even attempt to lock my pod. It just doesn't make any sense to pod, after a duel, but the option is there for those who don't agree with my view.
And, of course, if you're dueling me, and I win, you never have to fear for your pod. "you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II |
Danni stark
230
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Posted - 2013.05.12 14:46:00 -
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win duel, ransom pod for dueling prize. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Commander Blaze It
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.12 14:57:00 -
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It's possible to lose pods in highsec now? |
Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
218
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:06:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Jayrendo Karr wrote:I did issue it on purpose, so I'm entirely at fault for the loss of my implants I forgot about. Yes these are tears. Yes I am crying. Yes, you can, AND SHOULD enjoy them. The duel feature needs a confirmation when issuing a challenge. Secondly make it clear when issuing a challenge, that the other pilot is allowed to pod. The feature does say "Normal rules" but it's not defined what that means. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19583379 Most duelists, I've discovered, won't pod you, for the risk that your clone isn't in-system. They want you to come back for more. Lost two Rifters to a guy in Dixie, the other day. Neither time did he even attempt to lock my pod. It just doesn't make any sense to pod, after a duel, but the option is there for those who don't agree with my view. And, of course, if you're dueling me, and I win, you never have to fear for your pod.
Maybe he simply didn't know he was allowed to pod you |
Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
140
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:09:00 -
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Max Von Sydow wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Jayrendo Karr wrote:I did issue it on purpose, so I'm entirely at fault for the loss of my implants I forgot about. Yes these are tears. Yes I am crying. Yes, you can, AND SHOULD enjoy them. The duel feature needs a confirmation when issuing a challenge. Secondly make it clear when issuing a challenge, that the other pilot is allowed to pod. The feature does say "Normal rules" but it's not defined what that means. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19583379 Most duelists, I've discovered, won't pod you, for the risk that your clone isn't in-system. They want you to come back for more. Lost two Rifters to a guy in Dixie, the other day. Neither time did he even attempt to lock my pod. It just doesn't make any sense to pod, after a duel, but the option is there for those who don't agree with my view. And, of course, if you're dueling me, and I win, you never have to fear for your pod. Maybe he simply didn't know he was allowed to pod you
I think the fact that I was still blinky "blueish" to him should have made that plainly obvious. Judging from his attitude, before/during/after the fight, he really was just refusing to pod for the chance at a rematch. He was quite the good sport about the whole thing. "you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
164
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:11:00 -
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Leaving your pod on grid after any fight is just dumb. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4153
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:13:00 -
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Your being challenged to a duel, not a slap fight... and you are using guns, not foils.
Typically in any duel with firearms throughout history it is to the death.
Thinking otherwise is a bit silly.
Furthermore, on a practical level, having a duel create a limited engagement is relatively simply and stays within the normal game rules without needed to code weird special exceptions for it. This is the only reason why we got them.
So yes, CCP might consider an extra line that REMINDS you that in a limited engagement your pod is at risk... but it is extremely unlikely they are going to alter the mechanic in any way.
Consider also, if they implemented a "no podding" form of duel somehow... think of the outrage when many participants simply pod you anyway and gleefully accept their loss to harvest your tears at the loss of your supposedly safe implants. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
228
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Posted - 2013.05.12 16:36:00 -
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I thought it was simply a fight till a ship exploded without interference from concord or npcs. It's strange to think now, but at the time I assumed i could just dock up after the fight. I'm not against the podding in duals, but it needs a confirmation mechanism. |
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