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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
422
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:37:00 -
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Scaara Koraka wrote:Danni stark wrote:i'm not entirely sure i see the value (if any) in this feature? Wont be useful for multiboxing but you could say have a hauler, market alt and an industry alt all training stuff on one account Instead of having them spread across 3 accounts.
It's still great for multiboxing.
My combat alts can have some hulks (which will cost 5 plex worth of training each) on the same account. My space-coffin supercap accounts can do the same thing, and then there's the dedicated miner accounts I'm already setting up. Now I don't have to take my combat setup to the other side of the galaxy every time I need money, and my isk/account is significantly higher. You could always just buy characters, but finding a focused character that doesn't suck and or have way too much SP is physically painful. Go read the character trading forum some time. It'll make you realize that suicide gankers truly do Space-God's work.
"Why don't you just train hulks on even more accounts then do a transfer hurr :downs:"
1.) Effort. Go set up 8 buddy-invited accounts to train hulks on, then set up APIs for your corp and misc eve tools. 2.) When you plex a buddy invited account, the account that sent the invitation gets 30d worth of gametime. I PLEX all my stuff anyways so it's basically a free month. Perfect T1 strip miner hulks are going to take me something like 4 and a half months. That's basically 3 PLEX after the trial, plus 2 plex transfer fee. Great! I accomplished the same thing for the same price! And all it cost me was significantly more effort, and the ability to train them in the future without screwing up my other dudes! |
Ager Agemo
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
297
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:38:00 -
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I don't get it... what is this for? isn't it the same but less than paying one more account? after all it uses plex... |
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CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
165
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:44:00 -
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Hey all,
RubberBAND here from the team implementing this feature. First apologies that you have not seen a Dev Blog about this. We had planned for one to go just prior to Fanfest, but that plan fell through. We hope to have a Dev Blog out sometime soon, but we don't have an ETA for you all yet.
To answer some of the questions in this thread, we are very interested in feedback regarding this feature and how useful you may find it. As most have figured out, this is a short term option for people who want to train an alt on their account without having to maintain two (or more) accounts.
If you are training two characters and the dual character in training runs out, the character with fewest skill points is assumed to be the alt and will be paused, while your character with more skill points will continue training.
Anyway expect more information soon, till then keep this thread rolling. Feel free to poke me on: Twitter |
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Haulie Berry
641
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:46:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:
To answer some of the questions in this thread, we are very interested in feedback regarding this feature and how useful you may find it.
Shut up and take my money. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1789
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:48:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:CCP RubberBAND wrote:
To answer some of the questions in this thread, we are very interested in feedback regarding this feature and how useful you may find it.
Shut up and take my money. you didn't say it loud enough, so i fixed.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14178
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:48:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:If you are training two characters and the dual character in training runs out, the character with fewest skill points is assumed to be the alt and will be paused, while your character with more skill points will continue training. Reasonable enough. +1 GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Gordwin Sendare
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:57:00 -
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I can see myself using it. It's definitely a handy option to have. I wouldn't use it 24/7 but I'd think the game would be better with this feature than without it. |
LethalGeek
Red Ochre Mining and Exploration Fatal Ascension
28
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:02:00 -
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LethalGeek wrote:Some people are doing What Ifs about The Power of 2 or friend invites and etc etc because they just have to argue about everything for sake of being contrary.
Like everything else in EVE, it's all in the planning. If Haulie would prefer to pay 12 PLEX instead of 6 with a week of extra training, I won't argue with her/him.[/quote] Sure. Then a year later I go dang I want this character to also do this instead of doing the New Account Transfer Dance all over again I just slap a plex on the alt and take care of it.
Listen to mr I have to plan everything perfectly to have maximum fun over here. |
Allus Nova
Blitzkrieg. Insidious Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:07:00 -
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If it costs a FULL plex for training on your second character, what benefit is there to doing this? Just open another account (which you can regularly get for like 5 dollars, maybe less) and you can use them simultaneously.
This is stupid, there should be some benefit to this, perhaps 45 days of training for an alt. |
Haulie Berry
644
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:08:00 -
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Zaxix wrote:Or you could, you know, take the first week of that 12 months to train PI alts on that second account, and at the end of 12 months you'll have covered a significant portion of the cost of the 12 months.
This works, if we completely ignore the effort of actually doing PI. I'm not magically generating more money by virtue of the fact that I have some PI characters now. Now I have to set up planets, manage them, and haul the **** they produce. If I wanted to do any of that, I would already be doing it on the characters I have. |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1790
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:11:00 -
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Allus Nova wrote:If it costs a FULL plex for training on your second character, what benefit is there to doing this? Just open another account (which you can regularly get for like 5 dollars, maybe less) and you can use them simultaneously.
This is stupid, there should be some benefit to this, perhaps 45 days of training for an alt.
i have 4 accounts, i don't want a 5th personally. because the same pattern will emerge, I'll start training on that 5th acount, then something will change or come up and I'll want to do 6 things at once instead of 5, and will need a 6th account to train that new alt.
This way, CCP gets more money from me than I would have paid had I had to get a 5th account, and I get to expand what I'm doing without a fuss. if they do this I can finally get around to training that wormhole alt i always wanted but got side tracked because I want to train cynos and carriers on all 4 accounts. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14182
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:13:00 -
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Allus Nova wrote:If it costs a FULL plex for training on your second character, what benefit is there to doing this? Convenience. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
85
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:13:00 -
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LethalGeek wrote:Sure. Then a year later I go dang I want this character to also do this instead of doing the New Account Transfer Dance all over again I just slap a plex on the alt and take care of it.
Listen to mr I have to plan everything perfectly to have maximum fun over here. I enjoy planning. Ask your FC's and cap pilots if they do a lot of in depth planning. Or your alliance leadership or your coalition leadership. Reading some of the stuff about major alliances/coalitions, it's clear they plan things more than a year in advance. Same with the market gurus and speculators. This isn't difficult to figure out or plan. It's pretty basic. Setup as many low skill, passive ISK streams as you can to reduce your ISK expenditures. Simple. As I said before, there's nothing bad about the change, but nothing that great either. Though, it's nice to have options, I agree. ***Frog Forever***
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Kadl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:16:00 -
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Wonderful! Now I might actually get some training. |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope Gallente Federation
118
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:17:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:Anyone posting against this is an idiot.
"Grrr CCP! STOP GIVING ME OPTIONS!!!!" What are you doing talking to the community? Didn't you know, that white badge means you're supposed to shut up and be invisible?! Malcanis shut up and be invisible? That will be the day. A very bad day. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
4899
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:19:00 -
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Allus Nova wrote:If it costs a FULL plex for training on your second character, what benefit is there to doing this? Just open another account (which you can regularly get for like 5 dollars, maybe less) and you can use them simultaneously.
This is stupid, there should be some benefit to this, perhaps 45 days of training for an alt. The benefit is specific purpose alt training becomes convenient and doesn't disrupt training of your main. It's also better for alt training at times, since training it on another account requires either continued payments on that account or paying a character transfer fee. More importantly it's not supposed to replace making alt accounts. It's just an alternative way to train alts. |
Gordwin Sendare
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:27:00 -
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The amount of Republicans playing this game never ceases to amaze me. |
stoicfaux
2686
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:29:00 -
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THIS. WILL. DESTROY. EVE!
...because it will make the sub numbers appear to go down (i.e. a sudden and dramatic increase in churn.)
and then the web-o-sphere will hear about the sub numbers going down but won't report on why, and then the financial types will jump on the "omg-subs-are-down-sell-sell-don't-invest" bandwagon, which could impact WoD and Dust by proximity, which means layoffs for CCP which means Eve dies for realsies.
/it's_been_a_great_10_years
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1790
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:30:00 -
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Gordwin Sendare wrote:The amount of Republicans playing this game never ceases to amaze me.
How does it amaze you the we play this game? |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
3436
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:30:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Allus Nova wrote:If it costs a FULL plex for training on your second character, what benefit is there to doing this? Convenience.
It saves you the character transfer cost once the second character's training plan is complete.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
145
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:31:00 -
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Love this feature,
I have wasted so many plexes transferring a character off my main character's account for a couple months to another account to train something that I decided that the alt needed. Then I use plex to transfer back to my main account so I can let the second account stop. Just because I didnt want to stop training my main account.
I really do not want to know how many plexes from transfer fees that I could have saved over the years if this was an option from the beginning.
Another account that I have has the following toons:
Aeon pilot Ice Miner only Jump Freighter Pilot
I just stopped training on my Aeon pilot, so I could finish getting my JF pilot into a carrier too. I didn't want to transfer my JF pilot to another account just to end up transferring her back due to the 4 plexes it would cost me. I decided to stop training Aeon pilot for a few months to train JF pilot, but if this patch goes through I can start Aeon pilot back up again.
Also this would allow me to expand my ice miner into T2 crystals for ore, which she cant use even T1 crystals atm.
This feature is LONG OVERDUE. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2746
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:32:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:Hey all,
RubberBAND here from the team implementing this feature. First apologies that you have not seen a Dev Blog about this. We had planned for one to go just prior to Fanfest, but that plan fell through. We hope to have a Dev Blog out sometime soon, but we don't have an ETA for you all yet.
To answer some of the questions in this thread, we are very interested in feedback regarding this feature and how useful you may find it. As most have figured out, this is a short term option for people who want to train an alt on their account without having to maintain two (or more) accounts.
If you are training two characters and the dual character in training runs out, the character with fewest skill points is assumed to be the alt and will be paused, while your character with more skill points will continue training.
Anyway expect more information soon, till then keep this thread rolling.
Here's feedback:
It's a good idea, because it allows flexibility and further options. I can't think of a reason not to like having extra choices in account handling, except to repeat some of the dogmatic concepts regarding the use of alts. But that's rigid thinking.
I think the option will be more popular with veteran players who have learned since starting how the total amount of SP does not determine outcome and this would let a 3-slot account allow for specialization of same-account alts and overall, more fun or objectives without the management of 2 accounts and later movement of characters.
Hopefully this will eventually lead to the end of the limit of 3 characters per account. Of course having seen a lot of savantry, bronyism, and obsessive compulsive disorder/aspergers on the web, some arbitrary limit of characters per account would be necessary lest an entire new server farm be needed for that 1000 players who just have to have 500 alts each, a limit of 3 characters seems a bit small. But then, I'm not in charge of the infrastructure so I don't know.
Overall, being able to train same-account alts while seemingly pointless to the chorus of the dogmatics, merely represents an option that is simply more flexibility and I applaud it.
So far I have yet to see any other game as flexible as this and have yet to see any other MMO producer to be as responding as CCP.
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Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:33:00 -
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the plex for the alt should be worth more time since you dont really gain the benefits of an alt account |
Danni stark
213
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:35:00 -
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Midge Mo'yb wrote:the plex for the alt should be worth more time since you dont really gain the benefits of an alt account
not really.
here's how it works, you trade the ability to log in to both characters at once, for the ability to log in to the second character any time you want even after you've stopped plexing it.
it's a bit of a trade-off really. a character you can't use while another character is online, but one that doesn't require it's own subscription if it's not training anything.
after my initial skepticism i've realised it's actually a really nifty idea. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
838
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:35:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:Hey all,
RubberBAND here from the team implementing this feature. First apologies that you have not seen a Dev Blog about this. We had planned for one to go just prior to Fanfest, but that plan fell through. We hope to have a Dev Blog out sometime soon, but we don't have an ETA for you all yet.
To answer some of the questions in this thread, we are very interested in feedback regarding this feature and how useful you may find it. As most have figured out, this is a short term option for people who want to train an alt on their account without having to maintain two (or more) accounts.
If you are training two characters and the dual character in training runs out, the character with fewest skill points is assumed to be the alt and will be paused, while your character with more skill points will continue training.
Anyway expect more information soon, till then keep this thread rolling. I *REALLY* like this idea, now expand it by having the character selection in the login part and the ability to launch multiple clients from the one account. This will go along way and I'm willing to bet A LOT of people will enjoy this.
The downside? Expect people to migrate to fewer accounts (Thus making everyone's life easier.) And show fewer subs, so people will bash the tinfoil hats claiming "EVE IS DYING" As numbers will show fewer active accounts but (slightly) more cash coming in. I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner. Twitter! - @AzamiNevinyrall I'm half expecting a ban for this post. |
stoicfaux
2686
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:39:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:THIS. WILL. DESTROY. EVE!
...because it will make the sub numbers appear to go down (i.e. a sudden and dramatic increase in churn.)
and then the web-o-sphere will hear about the sub numbers going down but won't report on why, and then the financial types will jump on the "omg-subs-are-down-sell-sell-don't-invest" bandwagon, which could impact WoD and Dust by proximity, which means layoffs for CCP which means Eve dies for realsies.
/it's_been_a_great_10_years
Seriously, has anyone run this past the high level business types at CCP?
If it this feature reduces sub counts then advertisers and investors would conclude that there are fewer players than expected, which implies that Eve has a smaller marketshare which makes Eve even more of a niche game which makes CCP/Eve a riskier venture to invest in.
Even worse, the increase in PLEX sales could turn Eve that much more of a cash cow, and business folks milk cash cows, they don't invest in them nor do they take risks with them.
Seriously, this could backfire on CCP.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1791
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:47:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:stoicfaux wrote:THIS. WILL. DESTROY. EVE!
...because it will make the sub numbers appear to go down (i.e. a sudden and dramatic increase in churn.)
and then the web-o-sphere will hear about the sub numbers going down but won't report on why, and then the financial types will jump on the "omg-subs-are-down-sell-sell-don't-invest" bandwagon, which could impact WoD and Dust by proximity, which means layoffs for CCP which means Eve dies for realsies.
/it's_been_a_great_10_years
Seriously, has anyone run this past the high level business types at CCP? If it this feature reduces sub counts then advertisers and investors would conclude that there are fewer players than expected, which implies that Eve has a smaller marketshare which makes Eve even more of a niche game which makes CCP/Eve a riskier venture to invest in. Even worse, the increase in PLEX sales could turn Eve that much more of a cash cow, and business folks milk cash cows, they don't invest in them nor do they take risks with them. Seriously, this could backfire on CCP.
The key word is IF it reduced sub counts.
Sure, wanting to train more than one char is a reason to get alt accounts, but it's not a reason to KEEP them. mayb players like me get hooked on things like dual boxing pvp and pve content for instance.
And, the way to counter the potential "shock" of losing subs if for ccp to simply let people know that "hey, yea we lost subs, but we've increase revenue, we dind't lose people we just gave people a way to do things with fewer accounts".
Then add in the militant "I will only ever have one EVE account" players (I know some) who might now buy plex to train up an alt on their one account. That extra revenue ccp would not have otherwise had.
I don't have a crystal ball, but CCP needs money (its a business) and this is , it seems to me, a way to do with while giving palyer a realyl valuable new tool.
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LethalGeek
Red Ochre Mining and Exploration Fatal Ascension
28
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:48:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Seriously, has anyone run this past the high level business types at CCP? If it this feature reduces sub counts then advertisers and investors would conclude that there are fewer players than expected, which implies that Eve has a smaller marketshare which makes Eve even more of a niche game which makes CCP/Eve a riskier venture to invest in. Even worse, the increase in PLEX sales could turn Eve that much more of a cash cow, and business folks milk cash cows, they don't invest in them nor do they take risks with them. Seriously, this could backfire on CCP. This has been a nice reminder why I don't read these forums too often. Jeez this post is terrible. |
Princess Missie
FLA5HY RED
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:50:00 -
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why would you want a cyno alt on your main account?
isn't the norm for your main to be your capital/blops pilot?
no use unless you already have a second account unless you wanna train scam/ low sp trade alts
may be useful for character traders who do turn arounds over time instead of quick resales so that they can keep multiple characters training over one account
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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
146
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:52:00 -
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The only downside I can see for CCP is that they do lose out on some transfer plexes/fees that some of us have spent way too much on over the years moving alts back & forth to different accounts to train.
I know I could be > 20 bil isk richer if this feature was in place years ago. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
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