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TomHorn
Caldari Waffen Legion
98
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Posted - 2013.05.08 21:35:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/tibus-heth-denounces-federation-offers-condolences-to-republic/
New Caldari GÇô State Executor Tibus Heth has released a statement calling the Federation GÇ£callous imperialistsGÇ¥ and once again offering the State's condolences for the death of Karin Midular.
The statement reads, GÇ£It is with my deepest regret that I learned of the passing of Karin Midular. Though my offer of State aide was rebuffed, I still dearly wished for her to survive. While I never had the chance to meet her, her reputation stood on its own. She was a peacemaker and a proponent for change. She fought for what she believed in, but never put the good of the few above the good of the many. I believe, had I the chance, we would have been fast friends. I, too, shall mourn her passing and mourn the passing of a person who could have been a great ambassador between the Republic and State.
GÇ£I say to the Minmatar people, I stand with you. I understand the pain you feel at your Ray's death. I understand the anger you hold toward the Federation, which continues to withhold justice from you. They are callous imperialists who cannot understand any way but their own. To them, the Ray of Matar is a bunch of meaningless squiggles. They cannot comprehend the deep, spiritual meaning it holds to you, much as they do not understand what the Cold Wind of the Kaalakiota Peaks means to the Caldari. They hold both the murderer of your Ray and the homeworld of my people.
GÇ£We are both wounded by them. The Federation Navy and the Senate are both tools of denial and oppression. They seek to stamp out any sort of diversity that does not fit their narrow mindset. So I offer my hand to you in peace; let us stand together against the hatred the Federation engenders.GÇ¥
The Minmatar Republic has not commented on Heth's statement. |
Graelyn
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
458
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Posted - 2013.05.08 21:44:00 -
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Tibus, You Dunce... + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" Amarr Loyalist of the Year --áYC113 |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1046
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Posted - 2013.05.08 21:55:00 -
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Well.... Now any gesture of condolence to the Republic by ANY Caldari will look self-serving and trite.
Thank you SO much, Executor Heth... |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
918
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Posted - 2013.05.08 21:56:00 -
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He's a callous little shitehawk isn't he.
A fine representative of the vultures that have been circling here, trying to further destabalise any peace to serve their own selfish means.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Well.... Now any gesture of condolence to the Republic by ANY Caldari will look self-serving and trite.
Thank you SO much, Executor Heth...
Don't worry, some of your compatriots already were managing that. Enjoy your gaming.
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
912
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:15:00 -
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While it may be unpopular to say, I personally hope that the Minmatar accept the condolences of the Executor and the State. While it would be better had the whole affair never happened, perhaps new friendships can be salvaged from the misfortune. I think that the dissolution of old grudges and the hope of a brighter day would be a better outcome than what we currently witness. I also feel that this would, in the long run, be helpful in forming a more durable, lasting peace in the Cluster. |
TomHorn
Caldari Waffen Legion
98
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:23:00 -
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Quote:He's a callous little shitehawk isn't he.
A fine representative of the vultures that have been circling here, trying to further destabalise any peace to serve their own selfish means.
I know you and many other dislike the State Leader Marellus , but i firmly believe his sentiments are genuine. |
Del Vikus
Gradient Electus Matari
56
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:28:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:While it may be unpopular to say, I personally hope that the Minmatar accept the condolences of the Executor and the State. While it would be better had the whole affair never happened, perhaps new friendships can be salvaged from the misfortune. I think that the dissolution of old grudges and the hope of a brighter day would be a better outcome than what we currently witness. I also feel that this would, in the long run, be helpful in forming a more durable, lasting peace in the Cluster.
Your optimism and lack of cynicsim is admirable, Scherezad.
I wish Heth shared it. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
408
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:31:00 -
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These sentiments can both be genuine and self-serving, Horn. Had Heth merely offered State assistance in securing the assassin, that would have suited his intent without being as self-serving.
As it stands, the words come across as callous and hollow. |
BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
182
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:39:00 -
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Predictable. Like the turning of the seasons.
I wish he would stop being this childish - could he not have offered his condolences for Chief Midular without dragging the Fed into this again? If only something he had to say did not involve us and we got an idea that his world does not spin around the Federal Eagle.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Well.... Now any gesture of condolence to the Republic by ANY Caldari will look self-serving and trite.
Thank you SO much, Executor Heth...
Not absolutely. If you wish to offer your condolences to the Matari for anything, feel free to do so.
Just don't drag any obvious personal bias into it and you will be fine. |
Del Vikus
Gradient Electus Matari
56
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:41:00 -
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TomHorn wrote:
I know you and many other dislike the State Leader Marellus , but i firmly believe his sentiments are genuine.
I know you don't truly believe that, TomHorn. Hs words practically define "callous opportunism".
That a leader as vile and corrupt as Heth survives with the support of honest State citizens such as yourself makes me sad.
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Tiber Brucato
Alexylva Paradox
19
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:55:00 -
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This just in: Tibus Heth struggles to remain relevent. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
409
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:59:00 -
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Unfortunately, Mr. Brucato, he will remain relevant until such a point as the CEP is able to remove him from his position as executor.
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TomHorn
Caldari Waffen Legion
98
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:05:00 -
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Quote:As it stands, the words come across as callous and hollow.
He is comparing there loss of A Ray with the Caldari loss of our Homeworld.Sentiments seems genuine enough to me. You being little bit harsh there Priano.
My real concerns are what our allies will think of the statement. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2736
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:09:00 -
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I always found that there is not much need be said about Heth to damage any aspect of his person since you can count on him to do it himself every time he opens his mouth.
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
409
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:16:00 -
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Horn; the issue isn't that he's making the comparison between the loss of Caldari Prime and the Ray of Matar. Rather, it's that his effort to isolate the Gallente dovetails entirely too well with his long-running and well-established hatred of the Federation, and his desire to destroy it. While I have no doubt that in this moment he understands the Matari discontent at continued Gallente resistance to extradition, he turns this sentiment into his standard tirade against the Federation. This tirade is such a common sight that we all know it by now, and so it cheapens the sentiment given before.
He would do better to seek to build bridges between the Matari and Caldari, rather than burning them between the Matari and Gallente.
And let me state, for the record, that my view here is that the bloodshed we've recently witnessed is due to a singular failure of diplomacy between the Federation and Republic, and could easily have been averted had either side taken the barest effort to extend a hand in friendship. This does a disservice to the people of both these nations. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1520
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:19:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Well.... Now any gesture of condolence to the Republic by ANY Caldari will look self-serving and trite.
Thank you SO much, Executor Heth...
Perhaps then we should focus on private gestures of condolences to those we know will appreciate them.
I have found it much more sincere to offer condolences to my friends, rather than attempting to address the entire Republic from a position of comparative irrelevance. I'm just one capsuleer, and even the mighty Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive pales in comparison to the trillions of Republic citizens I might presume to address.
Instead, I focus on these few friends of mine, letting them know where I stand on the matter. Those I've spoken to are those who already knew without me saying so. I think that means more than attempting to reach out to the Republic and jockey for attention alongside the Executor himself. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Bai'xao Meiyi
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.05.09 02:34:00 -
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How is Midular dead, but this disgusting piece of human slime still breathes?
By god I hope I'll be reading about his 'tragic' demise sooner rather the later. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
417
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Posted - 2013.05.09 06:26:00 -
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Go to hell, Heth. You did not just turn a good guy or the megacorps not slaver allies who previously were so, just because we have a quarrel with an ally.
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Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
101
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Posted - 2013.05.09 06:43:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Go to hell, Heth. You did not just turn a good guy or the megacorps not slaver allies who previously were so, just because we have a quarrel with an ally.
I'm no Minmatar shaman, but it seems to me like some time away from the IGS and public spotlight would do you some good. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
417
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Posted - 2013.05.09 08:25:00 -
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Why? Because I do not think Heth is a good guy?
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1047
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Posted - 2013.05.09 08:45:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Why? Because I do not think Heth is a good guy?
No, the part where you pretend that the State unilateraly declared war on the Republic because we're such awesome allies with the Empire. Because we're such fans of Slavery. Despite being the only Faction never to make it legal - including your own.
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Halete
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
809
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Posted - 2013.05.09 08:57:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Why? Because I do not think Heth is a good guy?
Because your inane rambling and haphazard arguments look not like the words of a potent leader, but more like those of a Minmatar reflections of Heth himself. Observe;
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Go to hell, Heth. You did not just turn a good guy or the megacorps not slaver allies who previously were so, just because we have a quarrel with an ally.
Please, could you show any less tact? You were a lot easier to respect when I simply never had to see your face plastered across these boards besides such poorly articulated messages. Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1233
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Posted - 2013.05.09 09:00:00 -
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Elsebeth, I quite agree that the man can go to hell, but Pieter's right - the Caldari have never and I hope will never practice slavery. We take that so seriously that when a slave-based Amarrian disaster management crew were permitted to work in State space in an action that saved dozens of Caldari lives, the officer who gave them permission to work was subsequently arrested and tried on slave labour charges.
Many of us, especially among independent capsuleers, have lobbied for some time for the State breaking ties with the Empire and seeking a peaceful relationship with the Tribes. We literally have no reason to be enemies that I can see beyond "the friend of my enemy is my enemy".
That attitude remains valid, I think, despite the Executor polluting it with his anti-Gallente rhetoric. It wasn't really a speech for the Matari anyway - it was just another firebrand whip-the-crowd-up thing for the benefit of the Caldari. He doesn't care about the children of Matar except as a battleground in his mad war against the Federation. He views you as a resource.
Nevertheless, even a broken clock is right twice a day, and it is possible to say the right thing for the wrong reasons. I firmly believe that the Matari and the Caldari should explore the potential for an overhaul in our relationship, and that we should start viewing one another as potential equal business partners. But our reasons for doing so need to have nothing to do with the Federation and the Empire, and everything to do with how we can benefit one another. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
497
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:00:00 -
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Tibus Heth wrote: She was a peacemaker and a proponent for change.
Tibus Heth wrote:I believe, had I the chance, we would have been fast friends.
Huh. |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
492
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:07:00 -
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The Caldari take their anti-slavery belief so seriously, that it was the State, not the Federation, that sent military aid to the Minmatar during their Rebellion.
I'm sure the Minmatar get the idea that the Caldari are anti-slavery, but the State has not once acted upon this belief in an interventionist fashion. This does not indicate that the belief is held strongly enough to put it higher than "respectful apathy" to the business of other nations, ie. "Not my business". One would argue if the Caldari are anti-slavery at all if the State has never taken any major political moves against it outside their own borders. Just because it is illegal in the State, doesn't mean you are unilaterally "anti-".
Guess who does hold the cause of anti-slavery to such a high regard, that they are potentially willing to go to war over it? That same group is a group that certain Minmatar are getting sick of. |
Donatien Lisette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:07:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Tibus Heth wrote: She was a peacemaker and a proponent for change. Tibus Heth wrote:I believe, had I the chance, we would have been fast friends. Huh.
Weird. Do you think she would have bought that talk?
'Hey baby, I think we should purge all Gallente together.'
I don't remember that being a part of the womans' politics... |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1234
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:15:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:I'm sure the Minmatar get the idea that the Caldari are anti-slavery, but the State has not once acted upon this belief in an interventionist fashion.
Well, that's a very Federal attitude. Do you not thing it could possibly be that the reason we've not acted upon our anti-slavery stance in an interventionist fashion is because we view interventionism as morally repugnant?
Intervening in that manner is what the Federation did to us back in the day which is where the entire trouble between our nations came from. It's what the Amarr want to do to everyone.
We're not lazy in our opposition to slavery, we just stand by another of our principles in that we believe that the Caldari have no right to dictate how non-Caldari do business. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
174
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:29:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Tibus Heth wrote: She was a peacemaker and a proponent for change. Tibus Heth wrote:I believe, had I the chance, we would have been fast friends. Huh.
I think those doctors that tried regrowing Midular's brain might have another patient soon; then again, it's not as if one couldn't see Heth's dementia coming from a mile away.
Stitcher wrote:We take that so seriously that when a slave-based Amarrian disaster management crew were permitted to work in State space in an action that saved dozens of Caldari lives, the officer who gave them permission to work was subsequently arrested and tried on slave labour charges.
I can't believe someone can actually be proud of such stupidity. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation recruitment open. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1236
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:41:00 -
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If you abandon a principle under duress, you never truly held it to begin with. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
417
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:06:00 -
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Clarification (I seem to do a lot of those lately):
I referred to 1) Heth as a not-a-good-guy, and 2) certain megacorporations having been and still being (as far as we know) slaver allies. Nothing more. If you choose to read into my words some commentary on Caldari laws on slavery, your call, but it says more of you than of my political knowledge or stance.
But since that came up, my understanding is that while Caldari are not slaveholders themselves, they are not really anti-slavery either, which shows for example when it comes to choosing allies. Their past choices in that respect have been complicit in making the position of my people much worse, and awesome at it or not, as things stand, they are an ally of the Empire and an enemy of the Republic.
And Heth can still go to hell, trying to abuse a quarrel between the Federation and the Republic to use us against each other.
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