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Super Miguel
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.01 07:42:00 -
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nto RvB but im unsure on which ship to use... Im new to the game so i know ill die alot =) |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
738
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Posted - 2013.05.01 08:32:00 -
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Rupture or stabber might be pretty okay. Oh god. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
792
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:01:00 -
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Slasher thrasher rupture sfi BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
1039
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:12:00 -
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Thrasher Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Taoist Dragon
Bastion of Mad Behaviour Caldari State Capturing
417
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:27:00 -
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Rifter will still teach you more about small scale pvp than 90% of the other boats. The versatility of fits and ability to counter fit most things is great but you need to study how to fly it or you'll get stomped by the more specialised frigs from other races.
And before the haters slam my post. Ignore them, they are just bitter the rifter isn't an i-win button anymore (hint: it never was if you knew how to kill them but it was 'easy mode' for frig pvp for a long time) That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
258
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:49:00 -
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Allow me to present, the most successful Minmatar ships for the RvB environment. This is based on a solo perspective, so don't fly the thrasher into fleets.
Slasher: I like EWAR
Highs: 150mm Autocannon II (x3) Small Unstable Power Fluctuator
Mids: Experimental 1mn Afterburner I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler X5 Prtotype Engine Enervator I Balmier Series Tracking Disruptor
Lows: Damage Control II 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Rigs: Small Projectile Burst Aerator I Small Anti-Kinetic (or explosive) Pump I Small Trimark Armour Pump I
This fit pretty much kicks and frigates ass that depends of cap to run or has bad(ish) tracking. It cripples Slicers and makes blaster ships flail as you kite them at ~7500m with Barrage ammo. DPS is paltry (about 97dps non overheated with close range ammo) but with enough time it will chew through anything.
Thrasher: Lock pop it pod it
Highs: 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II (x7) [Empty High Slot]
Mids: Limited 1mn Microwarpdrive I Faint Warp Disruptor I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator I
Lows: Gyrostabilizer II (x2)
Rigs: Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I Small Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I
This Thrasher fit will absolutely demolish anything frigate or Dessy sized that makes the mistake of clicking approach. It can burn like no other and on my alt with her nav skills it tops out at around 1700m/s. The tracking is fairly good for artillery, and in the off chance that a frig gets into web range, simply apply it to him and burn away. A note on the web, keep it overheated at all times, because the extra 3km of range may just save you from a brawls frig like a Merlin or Incursus. Stay away from ships that are know for housing at least 1 tracking Disruptor. These include but are not limited to, Hookbill, Condor, Kestrel, Crucifier, and to a lesser extent, Slasher (many slashers are AB, Scram, Web, MSE).
Thrasher: 400mm Plate
Highs: 200mm Autocannon II (x7) Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Mids: Limited 1mn Microwarpdrive I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Lows: Damage Control II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Rigs: Small Anti-Kinetic (or explosive) Pump I Small Trimark Armour Pump I (x2)
This fit is a damn good brawler. That's about it. This thrasher is a nice and simple brawl fit. No bells and whistles attached, just gank and tank. Eats most brawl fit frigates but has an issue with scram kiting frigs, but you can't always have your cake and eat it too.
Now for something a little bigger, Stabber: Get Stabbered
Highs: 425mm Autocannon II (x4) Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I (x2)
Mids: Experimental 10mn Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Small Capacitor Booster II (Navy Cap Booster 400) Large FS-9 Regolith Shield Induction
Lows: Tracking Enhancer II (x2) Gyrostabilizer II (x2)
Rigs: For these you can either go with more tank or more speed, or a mix of both GÇóTank: Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I GÇóSpeed: Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I (x2)
The Stabber is the king cruiser of kiting, but it often runs into cap issues with running its point, MWD, and occasionally Neuts. This fit solves that all by sacrificing some tank, for more stamina and gank. It can nearly perma run the MWD while injecting Navy 400 boosters, and can reach out and touch someone to 30km+ with Barrage. The DPS is paltry at around 230 with Barrage, but is a wee bit higher at 293 with RF Phased plasma (or EMP or fusion). Don't expect to kill anything quickly, but do laugh as they flail around trying to catch you. With the speed rigs fitted, it tops out at around a cool 2700m/s, or 2200 m/s with shield rigs. Your main prey of choice in RvB with this fit will be frigates or destroyers that have become separated from the pack, and the occasional solo cruiser. I really can't say enough how well this ship crushes destroyers, it just does. Stay farrrr away from anything with a scram or a web, becuase they spell death for your poor little Stabber.
I hope this helps and I hope you have good luck and kill many things with these fits. Fly dangerous I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Super Miguel
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.01 18:35:00 -
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so i guess its Slasher and rifter |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
0
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Posted - 2013.05.01 19:22:00 -
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Slasher and Rifter are very good choices indeed. I personally have had a lot of fun with the following too, it might give you some ideas...C:
[Talwar, Talwar PvP R]
Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I
CN Mjolnir/Inferno/Scourge: 174/205DPS @ 15.2km with 392 Volley CN Nova: 218/256DPS @ 15.2km with 490 Volley Nova Javelin: 175/205DPS @ 22.8km with 393 Volley Nova Rage: 262/309DPS @ 12.7km with 590 Volley
EHP: 7.992 EHP RESISTS: 66.0/44.8/36.3/23.5 CAP: stable @ 41.0% SPEED: 290ms with 4.70s align. 1506/2114ms with 6.05s align when MWD is on.
The above projects a ton of DPS when flying in the outer scram/web ranges. Rockets cannot miss and the damage is also augmented by your capacity to immobilize targets (scram+web). The talwar also has a very nice damage type bonus against armor tanked ships (making this hull a good alternative for the Corax as a rocket brawler), as well as a MWD signature bonus that provides you with extra survivability when spiralling in to make a scram.
Kite at the outer skirts of heated web/scram range so that you can deter damage from ACs and blasters, and keep pounding with Rage rockets. Kills almost any frig/dessie it can catch. |
Super Miguel
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:38:00 -
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does this: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/62801-Slasher-The-Little-Ship-That-Could.html still work? |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
792
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Posted - 2013.05.01 23:45:00 -
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Yes, but armor slasher is superior. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2364
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Posted - 2013.05.01 23:54:00 -
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I've always been a fan of the trusty old Thrasher.
[Thrasher - Git'rDONE!]
[Lows] Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II
[Mids] Limited 1 MN Microwarpdrive I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Medium Shield Extender II
[Highs] 200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S) 200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S) 200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S) 200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S) 200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S) 200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S) 200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S) Rocket Launcher II (Caldari Navy Nova Rocket)
[Rigs] Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I ___
Stats: (with level 4 and 5 skills) - about 7500 to 8000 EHP - deals 300+ DPS - burns at about 1700 m/sec - cap stable at 65% with everything running
Notes: - you can replace the rocket launcher with a small energy neutralizer... which is perfect for killing active repping frigates and/or destroyers. - if you have issues with fitting things, you can always toss the rocket launcher and leave the high-slot empty. - if on a budget, meta equipment will work perfectly. - the rigs are cheap and definitely add some "oomph" to your ship. - The armor version of this is largely the same... simply swap the Gyrostab for a 400mm plate, the shield extender for a web (or Ewar of choice), and the shield resistance rigs for armor ones. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Super Miguel
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.02 11:17:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Yes, but armor slasher is superior.
armor slasher? |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
793
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Posted - 2013.05.02 11:36:00 -
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http://shadowcartel.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=30951 (You need to do open link) BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
258
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Posted - 2013.05.02 11:50:00 -
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Super Miguel wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:Yes, but armor slasher is superior. armor slasher? Look at the one in my post above. You know the really long one. I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
feihcsiM
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.05.02 13:44:00 -
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This is perfect for when you get a nice big frig/dessie brawl going on.
Insure, fleet up, warp to fight in progress at zero, mash F1 - F8. Guaranteed to get kills.
[Typhoon - RvB]
[Highs] Large 'Notos' Explosive Charge I Large 'Notos' Explosive Charge I Large 'Notos' Explosive Charge I Large 'Notos' Explosive Charge I Large 'Notos' Explosive Charge I Large 'Notos' Explosive Charge I Large 'Notos' Explosive Charge I Large 'Notos' Explosive Charge I
[Mids] Heavy Capacitor Booster I - Cap Booster 800
[Lows]
*Disclaimer: Fellow alliance members may not be amused.* It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. |
Super Miguel
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:55:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:http://shadowcartel.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=30951 (You need to do open link)
I still dont see much difference between the two...
So top one is the one u linked, and bot is the one i linked:
http://i.imgur.com/N1Q6nN8.jpg
What makes yours a "armor slasher" ? |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
793
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:13:00 -
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Super Miguel wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:http://shadowcartel.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=30951 (You need to do open link) I still dont see much difference between the two... So top one is the one u linked, and bot is the one i linked: http://i.imgur.com/N1Q6nN8.jpgWhat makes yours a "armor slasher" ?
One can reliably control range in a frig fight, the other can't
Web is life. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Moortis Primus
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:18:00 -
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Super Miguel wrote:
What makes yours a "armor slasher" ?
The armor repairer, that's what :) |
Super Miguel
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:53:00 -
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Gotcha, so besides the skills required to fit all this equipment to the ship what other skills i should get?
thermodynamics ?? |
Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
19
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Posted - 2013.05.02 19:10:00 -
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Id pick a Breacher before Slasher or Rifter anyday. Awsome Brawler with a nice tank. Also a fine kiter.
Also the Thrasher can be great for many things |
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Col Arran
Generic Incursion Tax Evasion
108
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Posted - 2013.05.02 19:50:00 -
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I would flee RvB right now and never look back. Go join an actual PvP alliance in nullsec and actually get experience.
If you MUST join in the upshipping blob PvP that is RvB use an armor slasher for your frig, a 180mm stabber for your frig killing boat and an arty rupture for "fleets" (if you can actually call them that). Also start "FCing" you get free **** for posting an advert getting up-shipped by your respective enemy up-shipping them in T3 BCs then getting bitched out cause you up-shipped them and standing down the fleet. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
793
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:58:00 -
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Col Arran wrote:I would flee RvB right now and never look back. Go join an actual PvP alliance in nullsec and actually get experience.
If you MUST join in the upshipping blob PvP that is RvB use an armor slasher for your frig, a 180mm stabber for your frig killing boat and an arty rupture for "fleets" (if you can actually call them that). Also start "FCing" you get free **** for posting an advert getting up-shipped by your respective enemy up-shipping them in T3 BCs then getting bitched out cause you up-shipped them and standing down the fleet.
0.0 alliances are generally the absolute WORST place to try and learn pvp..
What you learn from blobbing is quite limited. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
793
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:59:00 -
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Super Miguel wrote:Gotcha, so besides the skills required to fit all this equipment to the ship what other skills i should get?
thermodynamics ??
Train thermodynamics to 16
5 If the game won't allow that. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Psichotic
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:07:00 -
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I would avoid Minmitar if just starting out. It is the hardest race to train for. CCP recently nerffed Min, so training for the hardest race used come with an eventual benefit, but not anymore.
For a new player I would recommend training 1. Amarr, 2. Caldari, 3. Gallente, and 4. Minmitar. |
Super Miguel
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.05 06:52:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Super Miguel wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:http://shadowcartel.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=30951 (You need to do open link) I still dont see much difference between the two... So top one is the one u linked, and bot is the one i linked: http://i.imgur.com/N1Q6nN8.jpgWhat makes yours a "armor slasher" ? One can reliably control range in a frig fight, the other can't Web is life.
Cant do any of this ships, i need CPU and Power grip :( so upgrading engineering and electronics |
Daniel Zabel
Kobol Defense Force R O G U E
0
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Posted - 2013.05.05 09:43:00 -
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Quote:Cant do any of this ships, i need CPU and Power grip :( so upgrading engineering and electronics
Try out the Rifter first if ur Core Fitting skills are on Basic and have decent Minmi Frig/Autocannon skills switch for Slashy dashy |
Super Miguel
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.06 00:49:00 -
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I tried using both of this ships (http://i.imgur.com/N1Q6nN8.jpg) and dueled a friend that stared 1-2 days before me... he is using a Talwar with missiles and every time i get hit by those things i just drop like 50% of my armor...
and it takes ages from me attacking him to get his armor down 10% |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
808
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Posted - 2013.05.06 02:32:00 -
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Super Miguel wrote:I tried using both of this ships (http://i.imgur.com/N1Q6nN8.jpg) and dueled a friend that stared 1-2 days before me... he is using a Talwar with missiles and every time i get hit by those things i just drop like 50% of my armor...
and it takes ages from me attacking him to get his armor down 10%
Well that would be because Destroyers are sort of designed to violate frigs.. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Super Miguel
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.06 03:23:00 -
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Tried this build as well and still owned me, like he hits way harder than me
[Thrasher]
[Lows] Damage Control I Gyrostabilizer I
[Mids] Limited 1 MN Microwarpdrive I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Medium Shield Extender I
[Highs] 200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S) 200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S) 200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S) 200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S) 200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S) 200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S) 200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S)
[Rigs] Small Anti-Explosive Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I |
Super Miguel
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.06 05:08:00 -
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changed to barrage and making way better damage |
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