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OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.19 09:17:00 -
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Removal of hisec ice belts, and putting them into scanable hidden belts. Someone heard something about it? Someone has maybe a link, if there's something official from CCP? Heard they removed them from hisec, on test server. Grass shows from where the wind blows...or, better said to where does it blow. |
Thur Barbek
Republic University Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2013.04.19 10:12:00 -
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Confirmed, CCP is removing ice from the game completely. All ice will be turned into plex at a ratio of 5 plex per 1 ice block. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.19 10:27:00 -
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A wild speculation appears! |
H2O Hairey
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.19 11:23:00 -
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They where talking about ice being the new oil/gold of eve. So there is a chance this could happen, also because they want more probing and scanning in eve. So speculation is already in progress for ice products.
http://heavysteel-inc.blogspot.nl/ |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.19 11:26:00 -
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the speculation for ice is there because any changes to ice will increase it's value. due to the fact that any change will make obtaining ice harder since in it's current form the only easier way of obtaining ice is if ccp contracted it directly to you from thin air. |
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.19 12:01:00 -
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Thur Barbek wrote:Confirmed, CCP is removing ice from the game completely. All ice will be turned into plex at a ratio of 5 plex per 1 ice block. This game might be a bit too much for you. But don't cry, just go back to WoW. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:35:00 -
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Maybe wait until we have more concrete information from CCP about Odyssey. Did this seriously need to be a thread ? No. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:35:00 -
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Was just a question. Got my answer. Many appologies, i forgot to ask you before posting. Will do exactly like i did the next times i post. |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:23:00 -
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The 'removal of ice belts from high sec' is an old rumour that precedes the current rumour of 'removing T2 production & invention from high sec'. Neither of those rumours are likely to be implemented although I do think that introducing depletion of ice as with ore might be a good idea. Certainly might make it slightly more difficult for the bots & AFKers .
Complete removal of ice belts & T2 production/invention would be a game changer and highly detrimental to CCP's business. So don't expect to see anything like that happen. I think there are going to be changes to industry and possibly hauling in the June expansion which should be interesting. As long as they take it slow and don't throw the baby out with the bathwater we will be alright. *crosses fingers* |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:29:00 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote: Complete removal of ice belts & T2 production/invention would be a game changer and highly detrimental to CCP's business. So don't expect to see anything like that happen.
Most indeed. As knuckleheaded as the idea of eliminating the NPC Corps. But then most of these guys were the same ones insisting that everyone 'mine with a gun'. Remember that ? There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
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Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:31:00 -
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Hi-sec ice removal wouldn't work.
Frozen miner-tears would more than make up the difference. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:35:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Hi-sec ice removal wouldn't work.
Frozen miner-tears would more than make up the difference.
any miner that's actually interested in making profit from it, doesn't mine ice. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4147
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:39:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Hi-sec ice removal wouldn't work.
Frozen miner-tears would more than make up the difference. any miner that's actually interested in making profit from it, doesn't mine ice.
I do. But to profit from Fuel Blocks actually. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:39:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Hi-sec ice removal wouldn't work.
Frozen miner-tears would more than make up the difference. any miner that's actually interested in making profit from it, doesn't mine ice.
But the ice they mine is free, so they get to sell fuel blocks for a 600% profit margin!
Edit: See? |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.19 17:36:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Hi-sec ice removal wouldn't work.
Frozen miner-tears would more than make up the difference. any miner that's actually interested in making profit from it, doesn't mine ice. But the ice they mine is free, so they get to sell fuel blocks for a 600% profit margin! Edit: See?
but the profit margin is even bigger on real minerals! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4147
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Posted - 2013.04.19 17:38:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Hi-sec ice removal wouldn't work.
Frozen miner-tears would more than make up the difference. any miner that's actually interested in making profit from it, doesn't mine ice. But the ice they mine is free, so they get to sell fuel blocks for a 600% profit margin! Edit: See? but the profit margin is even bigger on real minerals!
Thusly, I mine both. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.19 17:39:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Hi-sec ice removal wouldn't work.
Frozen miner-tears would more than make up the difference. any miner that's actually interested in making profit from it, doesn't mine ice. But the ice they mine is free, so they get to sell fuel blocks for a 600% profit margin! Edit: See? but the profit margin is even bigger on real minerals! Thusly, I mine both.
so do i, but don't tell any one! i have to pretend i'm a real miner! |
Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
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Posted - 2013.04.19 19:26:00 -
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OldWolf69 wrote:Thur Barbek wrote:Confirmed, CCP is removing ice from the game completely. All ice will be turned into plex at a ratio of 5 plex per 1 ice block. This game might be a bit too much for you. But don't cry, just go back to WoW.
You seem to have missed the sarcasm there. I sell drones and drones accessories. |
Marsan
Emergency and I
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Posted - 2013.04.19 19:36:00 -
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Most of this comes from the presentation at PAX a while back as a well as comments by eve devs. http://imgur.com/a/c3oYb#7 http://imgur.com/a/c3oYb#8 http://nosygamer.blogspot.com/2013/04/ccp-soundwave-and-ccp-solomon-on-twitch.html
Most of this points to a shake up in ice mining. My take is that ice in HS will go away or be limited in some fashion (IE can get mined out like normal rocks or moves to grav sites), NS/LS ice will get a buff (IE "New super ice" types that give more ice per cycle, and be fluid in where it's found) Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.19 19:47:00 -
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If the POS system is radically revamped and the demand for ice for fuel is reduced or eliminated then what uses for it are left and what effect would that have on how it's seeded in the game to be harvested? |
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Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
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Posted - 2013.04.19 19:50:00 -
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My expectation would be ice belt that could be scanned ( or comet whatever may be the case) Limited number of better ice . Low and null could have better site with bigger cie field and the like.
I highly doubt that static ice will be gone, since it would certainly inflate POS fuel a lot. I sell drones and drones accessories. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.04.20 00:01:00 -
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Klymer wrote:If the POS system is radically revamped and the demand for ice for fuel is reduced or eliminated then what uses for it are left and what effect would that have on how it's seeded in the game to be harvested?
Doubtful. Fuel blocks are still a relatively new 're-vamp'. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4149
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Posted - 2013.04.20 00:01:00 -
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Markus Navarro wrote:My expectation would be ice belt that could be scanned ( or comet whatever may be the case) Limited number of better ice . Low and null could have better site with bigger cie field and the like.
I highly doubt that static ice will be gone, since it would certainly inflate POS fuel a lot.
Great for my Wallet indeed. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.20 08:40:00 -
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Scanned belts - bit harder to bot. Harder to gank - false. Macks are easy to scan down. Effect? We can just speculate, untill Oddisey comes out. Nope, noone will mine ice in lowsex. Maybe there will be more ice miners in null. And this will hit WH boyz the most. But question was about someone hearing this rumour lately. |
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.20 08:46:00 -
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Markus Navarro wrote:OldWolf69 wrote:Thur Barbek wrote:Confirmed, CCP is removing ice from the game completely. All ice will be turned into plex at a ratio of 5 plex per 1 ice block. This game might be a bit too much for you. But don't cry, just go back to WoW. You seem to have missed the sarcasm there. Nope. But i can troll too. |
GreenSeed
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Posted - 2013.04.20 19:14:00 -
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moving static ice to scanable ice changes nothing, now removal of hsec ice to low or null could grind any sub 50 man corp to a halt.
so no, it wont happen.
i can see yield ratios being rebalanced in favor of low, currently the yield of low/null ice is just slightly better than hsec in terms of isotopes. when it comes to LO and hwater null ice is vastly superior. so im guessing we could be getting racial ice spread evenly among all of nullsec space? maybe mixed ice belts with double yield, as opposed to the crappy 15% yield boost we have now.
the main problem with ice is that regardless of how morons feels about its mining, it is consumed in ridiculous quantity's by the eve economy, so any change on it will not be drastic. even if the final goal is to move it out of hsec it will happen over years, starting with yield changes. it will not happen after a DT. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
541
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Posted - 2013.04.21 07:53:00 -
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I love you guys really, I actually read every single post and this was actually so entertaining that I can with complete conviction say, this game is now on par with MW2 Merceneries and X-Com series, right there in the epic top games of all times in my mind. |
Marsan
Emergency and I
95
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Posted - 2013.04.22 02:21:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote: the main problem with ice is that regardless of how morons feels about its mining, it is consumed in ridiculous quantity's by the eve economy, so any change on it will not be drastic. even if the final goal is to move it out of hsec it will happen over years, starting with yield changes. it will not happen after a DT.
It's possible the devs might think that if they remove ice from highsec, and buff the LS/NS ice yields enough things will balance out. Of course the devs don't have a good track record of this sort of balance.... Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.04.22 03:39:00 -
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Marsan wrote: It's possible the devs might think that if they remove ice from highsec, and buff the LS/NS ice yields enough things will balance out. Of course the devs don't have a good track record of this sort of balance....
Removing ice from HI SEC would make the Drone poo nerf's effect on the economy look like a minor recession. I just can't see losec ice mining with the current 3 minute harvestor cycles & Null icemining would make the current TECH bottle neck seem trivial. Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon? |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.22 08:06:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Marsan wrote: It's possible the devs might think that if they remove ice from highsec, and buff the LS/NS ice yields enough things will balance out. Of course the devs don't have a good track record of this sort of balance....
Removing ice from HI SEC would make the Drone poo nerf's effect on the economy look like a minor recession. I just can't see losec ice mining with the current 3 minute harvestor cycles & Null icemining would make the current TECH bottle neck seem trivial.
indeed, especially when you look at the volume mined in null/low in comparison to high. the difference is huge. |
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