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Ken 1138
AGNT Inc.
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Posted - 2013.04.10 22:26:00 -
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With the summer expansion not that far away, the EVE economy is going to take a serious hit.
With Ship prices climbing all the time and the ship skill rebalance will make already expensive ships in much higher demand.
What's going to be done to adjust this? Will ship building costs go down to compensate or general money making things in EVE from bounties to rewards go up?
First time I bought a Charon it cost 680 mil, a raven about 100 mil. Ah the good old days Haha. |
Sentamon
806
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Posted - 2013.04.10 22:37:00 -
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Why should anything be done? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1505
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Posted - 2013.04.10 22:41:00 -
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Three words:
Player Driven Economy.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Wooly Akachi
Capital Storm. WHY so Seri0Us
0
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Posted - 2013.04.10 22:44:00 -
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If you want ship prices to drop you need to find a way to drop the price of minerals.
like say by going mining. i would be happy if you did this so the next whelp fleet i'm in my ship will cost me less. |
Ken 1138
AGNT Inc.
39
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Posted - 2013.04.10 22:44:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Three words:
Player Driven Economy.
Yes but try buying a 150-300 mil ship unfitted no less, when you're a new player who doesn't know how to make any ISK. I've explained this to new players I've met and was almost apologetic about the high costs. I think alot of T1 ships have very expensive to very ridiculous costs. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
98
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Posted - 2013.04.10 22:47:00 -
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I'd be curious to see price charts for trit, pyer, and all core minerals from the start, and all new minerals or production materials from their introduction. Considering that someone was recently doing a Chicken Little routine over a trit price crash, and others gripe over the ISK/hour of mining scordite (as pyer is evidently in short supply, elevating prices), my guess is that prices are constantly fluctuating.
Guess CCP needs more profitable non-ISK PvE. ;) |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
687
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Posted - 2013.04.10 22:50:00 -
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Ken 1138 wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Three words:
Player Driven Economy.
Yes but try buying a 150-300 mil ship unfitted no less, when you're a new player who doesn't know how to make any ISK. I've explained this to new players I've met and was almost apologetic about the high costs. I think alot of T1 ships have very expensive to very ridiculous costs.
A "New player" shouldn't be buying the most expensive t1 subcapital ships in the game.
Prices have always been in flux. They did not always used to be as low as they were pre-tiericide. I think the fact that t1 ships have a meaningful cost is good for game balance. Remember back when the smallest thing people seriously flew for PVP was a battlecruiser? |
Athena Maldoran
Special Nymphs On A Mission
2014
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Posted - 2013.04.10 22:52:00 -
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Cheap ships doesnt mean healthy economy |
Ckra Trald
Stellar Essence STELLAR CONSTELLATION
128
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Posted - 2013.04.10 22:59:00 -
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purchase ships now
afk for 4 years
get isk and win and win and then quit because incarna 2.0 ^^ poorly made blunt forum post above ^^ |
Ken 1138
AGNT Inc.
39
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Posted - 2013.04.10 22:59:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Ken 1138 wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Three words:
Player Driven Economy.
Yes but try buying a 150-300 mil ship unfitted no less, when you're a new player who doesn't know how to make any ISK. I've explained this to new players I've met and was almost apologetic about the high costs. I think alot of T1 ships have very expensive to very ridiculous costs. A "New player" shouldn't be buying the most expensive t1 subcapital ships in the game. Prices have always been in flux. They did not always used to be as low as they were pre-tiericide. I think the fact that t1 ships have a meaningful cost is good for game balance. Remember back when the smallest thing people seriously flew for PVP was a battlecruiser?
Despite not even naming a ship the cost wasn't for a sub-capital at all.
And to Athena Maldoran, expensive ships doesn't mean a healthy economy either.
Honestly After years of playing EVE even with the new-ish tutorial that came out a while back. To me EVE is less new player friendly than ever. You know how hard it is to convince people I know to play this game? Very, often ending in failure. |
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YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
710
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Posted - 2013.04.10 23:06:00 -
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Some market items are actually falling in price like the basic PI resources and most of the ice products. Most of the basic minerals are either stable or slightly decreasing in price over the last 3 months.
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
687
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Posted - 2013.04.10 23:07:00 -
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Quote:Despite not even naming a ship the cost wasn't for a sub-capital at all
What?
Quote:Honestly After years of playing EVE even with the new-ish tutorial that came out a while back. To me EVE is less new player friendly than ever. You know how hard it is to convince people I know to play this game? Very, often ending in failure.
EVE has never had a high retention rate. |
Haulie Berry
377
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Posted - 2013.04.10 23:16:00 -
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Ken 1138 wrote:With the summer expansion not that far away, the EVE economy is going to take a serious hit.
Show your work or GTFO. |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
290
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Posted - 2013.04.10 23:48:00 -
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Prices have (in real terms, as compared to isk per hour of standard activities) basically fallen ever since the game released. Only recently has CCP finally made moves to stop this process.
Ships got way too cheap, to the point where cap ships were nearly disposable.
Personally, I don't understand why people would be upset about this. Eve has hundreds of ships, many of which are cheap, mid-range ships in the cruiser/frig class. If prices were to rise again to the point where BS class ships actually signified a meaningful investment for a player, there would be a greater variety of ship classes used in gameplay. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2013.04.10 23:52:00 -
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need more bots |
Frying Doom
2290
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Posted - 2013.04.10 23:53:00 -
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I would recommend a massive Isk sink.
Say increasing the cost of NPC station slots to be slightly more expensive than a POS on a per slot basis.
Problem solvered Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |
Sentamon
806
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Posted - 2013.04.10 23:59:00 -
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economic "solution" = screw some people over to help other people in an attempt to fix an imaginary problem dreamed up by people that feel entitled. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13538
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Posted - 2013.04.10 23:59:00 -
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Ken 1138 wrote:With the summer expansion not that far away, the EVE economy is going to take a serious hit. GǪbased on, what exactly?
Quote:With Ship prices climbing all the time and the ship skill rebalance will make already expensive ships in much higher demand. By GÇ£climging all the timeGÇ¥, I presume you mean GÇ£staying fairly constantGÇ¥, and I don't quite see how making it a bit more difficult to get into ships will increase the demand. Also, they're not really all that expensive to begin with. The prices now are a bit higher than when I started playing the game, and they weren't difficult to afford back then even though ISK was harder to come by.
Quote:First time I bought a Charon it cost 680 mil, a raven about 100 mil. Ah the good old days Haha. Those weren't the good old days. They were the bad old days when the prices were completely out of whack due to a massively inflated mineral injection.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
421
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Posted - 2013.04.11 00:01:00 -
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... waits for the self-entitled "Y Gen" brats of EVE to get off their CQ couches and make some effort. Just a bit... a smidge... crack a sweat, even.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Frying Doom
2291
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Posted - 2013.04.11 00:14:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:economic "solution" = screw some people over to help other people in an attempt to fix an imaginary problem dreamed up by people that feel entitled. No just lowering the difference between welfare benefits and those who risk capital.
Reward = Risk * Capital Expenditure. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |
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Gnoshia
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.04.11 00:18:00 -
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Needs a stimulus package.
And I got a big one in my pants. |
Mytai Gengod
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.04.11 00:25:00 -
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As a fairly new player who joined about two months ago, I don't see inflation as a problem.
Playing maybe 10-15 hours a week on average, mostly on weekends, I have about 15mil in wallet, 60 mil value in loot, 10 slashers, 5 thrashers, 2 probes, 2 ventures, a hoarder and a few other ships all fitted in meta something gear along with decent piles of ammo and boosters. I'm also at about 2.5mil sp. I'm still solo and have had no corp or other type of assistance.
While I'm tempted to buy a plex and convert it, thus far I've resisted the urge because I wanted to see how I could do flying solo on limited play time.
There might be new players who agree with you but I'm satisfied with my ability to play and equip myself as a newbie. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3136
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Posted - 2013.04.11 01:48:00 -
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BEHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD THE POWER OF THE NEW PLAYER ARGUMENT !!!!!!! |
Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
177
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Posted - 2013.04.11 03:52:00 -
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Ken 1138 wrote:With the summer expansion not that far away, the EVE economy is going to take a serious hit.
With Ship prices climbing all the time and the ship skill rebalance will make already expensive ships in much higher demand.
What's going to be done to adjust this? Will ship building costs go down to compensate or general money making things in EVE from bounties to rewards go up?
First time I bought a Charon it cost 680 mil, a raven about 100 mil. Ah the good old days Haha.
Raven's are 140mil now?
How is this a problem?
Free market principles in action. |
JellyMons
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.11 07:11:00 -
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This hasn't been focused on enough. OP is talking about ship balance and doesn't understand what a sub capital is. |
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ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
86
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Posted - 2013.04.11 09:03:00 -
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CCP talked last year about being concerned with inflation, however.
Tons of new isk is being generatrd through NPC bounties and mission rewards. There are not enough isk sinks in the game to combat this.
When your ship explodes, the only isk to leave the game is the isk paid for the manufacturing slot (which is negligible)
Isk sinks currently include War dec costs, expired insurace fees, broker fees, market taxes (not corp tax), office rental, ship repair, locator agents. Etc.
The only way to combat inflation in eve is to increase these sinks or come up with new ones. ISD Gallifreyan Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Lord Zim
2354
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Posted - 2013.04.11 09:22:00 -
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ISD Gallifreyan wrote:The only way to combat inflation in eve is to increase these sinks or come up with new ones. Like, say, by increasing market costs, manufacturing costs etc, which would also in turn open up for letting nullsec dictate the rates at their own stations and direct that cashflow to their coffers, and as such (provided, of course, that CCP also fixes nullsec's industry) facilitate and incentivize a bottom-up funding of nullsec alliances, which in turn would lead to more activity in nullsec, which in turn would lead to more incentive to defend your own space from roamers and in turn also roam someone else's space. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. RIP Vile Rat |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8614
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Posted - 2013.04.11 09:29:00 -
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Ken 1138 wrote:With the summer expansion not that far away, the EVE economy is going to take a serious hit.
With Ship prices climbing all the time and the ship skill rebalance will make already expensive ships in much higher demand.
What's going to be done to adjust this? Will ship building costs go down to compensate or general money making things in EVE from bounties to rewards go up?
First time I bought a Charon it cost 680 mil, a raven about 100 mil. Ah the good old days Haha.
When I bought my first Raven in 2006 it cost 138M.
The introduction of the drone alloys artificially depressed mineral prices for a long time. Now they're back to "normal". Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
My recommended voting list |
Premier Sovian
New Sun Ventures
6
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Posted - 2013.04.11 09:30:00 -
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ISD Gallifreyan wrote: When your ship explodes, the only isk to leave the game is the isk paid for the manufacturing slot (which is negligible).
No. The isk lost is the amount you could have gotten for all the materials that went into building that ship, a percentage cost of the blueprint if it's a copy and anything the loot fairy claims for her dragon's horde of items.
Else you're saying I can build any ship in the game for the cost of a manufacturing slot, which is silly. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8614
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Posted - 2013.04.11 09:30:00 -
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ISD Gallifreyan wrote:CCP talked last year about being concerned with inflation, however.
Tons of new isk is being generatrd through NPC bounties and mission rewards. There are not enough isk sinks in the game to combat this.
When your ship explodes, the only isk to leave the game is the isk paid for the manufacturing slot (which is negligible)
Isk sinks currently include War dec costs, expired insurace fees, broker fees, market taxes (not corp tax), office rental, ship repair, locator agents. Etc.
The only way to combat inflation in eve is to increase these sinks or come up with new ones.
That's not what inflation is.
If the amount of ISK in the game doubles but the amount of items and goods also doubles, then there hasn't been any "inflation", merely some 'mudflation' Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
My recommended voting list |
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