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klok 72826
Quoff Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.04.05 17:48:00 -
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friends and I have been brainstorming various methods about generating passive income from within wh space. ultimately we would like to expand into a legit corp that can provide for its members.
we are currently financially capable to move forward with a few options and I'd like a final community opinion on which one is best. 1 POS for PI or 2+ POS for research/invention or 2+ POS for reactions (simple and complex)
we're currently setting our sights on a C2 or C3 with a lowsec static. we have t3 capability with 2 of 3 pilots. any insight is appreciated.
edit: I realize this post reeks of "help me in wspace" but I need to know more information about the industry side of things. I have a lot of wh experience and simply do not know what to expect regarding the logistics required of the 3 items listed above. |
Thur Barbek
Republic University Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2013.04.05 18:18:00 -
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I would avoid reactions. These will cause you logistics problems and usually have very large startup costs.
Research/invention is best done in highsec or a system with a station. This is because you don't want expensive bpo's in a pos lab.
You should always do PI if you can, especially in a WH where it can help with fuel costs. Anything you can do to reduce how much stuff (fuel) you need to move in/out of the hole is good.
Overall WH's are not great for industry. |
Ersahi Kir
Freelance Mining Company
75
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Posted - 2013.04.05 18:56:00 -
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Are there C2's with low sec statics? I was under the impression that all C2's had a high sec static. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1308
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Posted - 2013.04.05 19:27:00 -
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Ersahi Kir wrote:Are there C2's with low sec statics? I was under the impression that all C2's had a high sec static.
The wiki states 141 C2s with low sec statics.
As to the OP, there are very little that counts as passive in a WH. There are logistics involved in whatever you do. If you're familiar with WH life, you might want to just snag a HS static or a C2 with a C1, as you'll get a HS exit through the C1 often.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
896
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Posted - 2013.04.05 19:34:00 -
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PI will be the least trouble for logistics since you won't need to ship anything in.
Reactions can make some isk, but logistics are a pain.
I wouldn't even bother with research/invention. Plus, you can do that in High sec. You don't need to use a WH to do that.
However, doing local reactions for fullerides and T3 production could be a good idea to look into. The logistics of getting the stuff you don't get in the WHs you operate in won't be a big issue. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
klok 72826
Quoff Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.04.05 19:54:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:PI will be the least trouble for logistics since you won't need to ship anything in.
Reactions can make some isk, but logistics are a pain.
I wouldn't even bother with research/invention. Plus, you can do that in High sec. You don't need to use a WH to do that.
However, doing local reactions for fullerides and T3 production could be a good idea to look into. The logistics of getting the stuff you don't get in the WHs you operate in won't be a big issue.
thank you for your information. could you elaborate on local reactions, or link me a research to do some reading? |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
540
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Posted - 2013.04.05 20:04:00 -
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klok 72826 wrote:Zifrian wrote:PI will be the least trouble for logistics since you won't need to ship anything in.
Reactions can make some isk, but logistics are a pain.
I wouldn't even bother with research/invention. Plus, you can do that in High sec. You don't need to use a WH to do that.
However, doing local reactions for fullerides and T3 production could be a good idea to look into. The logistics of getting the stuff you don't get in the WHs you operate in won't be a big issue. thank you for your information. could you elaborate on local reactions, or link me a research to do some reading? Gas reactions done from the high end gas available in W-space. especially if you want to build T3's in there. |
Modulated stripminer
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.05 20:08:00 -
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google eve reactions:) |
notha atfast
Jabba Industries INC. Punkz 'n Monkeys
31
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Posted - 2013.04.05 20:28:00 -
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PI, Polymer Reactions, and subsystem components as well as T3 Reverse Engineering. Not exactly Passive, but all supported by the WH you live in. It also compresses things down for ease of transporting...easier on the logistics. |
klok 72826
Quoff Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.04.06 16:44:00 -
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thank you all for your help |
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Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
305
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Posted - 2013.04.07 06:18:00 -
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klok 72826 wrote: 1 POS for PI
You don't really need a POS for PI. You'll need a POS for your wormhole and this will serve the basic purpose for most players doing PI. PI can be a great isk source (about 5m-10m per planet based on what you're making, quality of planets, and number of players involved extracting). Players will have 22,000m3 of space on a planet (1 silo, 1 launch pad), and 30,000m3 storage in the POCO. Youc an also always make a storage planet that will give you roughly 80,000m3 - 120,000m3 additional space). Other then that players will just need storage space from corp hangars.
klok 72826 wrote: 2+ POS for research/invention
This is a pretty bad idea. Unless you're doing very cheap BPO research (ammo, cheap modules, etc) you don't want to risk putting in billions of isk worth of BPO's. There is also the issue of moving these BPO's in and not of the WH. Even invention requires you have have a few hundred million isk wroth of datacores, interfaces, etc in the labs. Basically if someone were to check out your wormhole and POS and saw 5 - 10 labs its highly likely they would attack you for the shear losses you would have. Also if a lab with for example a 30 day research job is destroyed, that research slot on that character is used up until the job is completed, regardless of the BPO being destroyed (so if a character installs 10 jobs at 30 days, the all the labs are destroyed the next day you'll lose the BPO's and that character will lose 30 days of research).
klok 72826 wrote: 2+ POS for reactions (simple and complex)
Reactions may sound like a good idea, but with unknown changes happening soon in the next expansion and lots of changes in the market dealing with mon goo unless you know something others don't it could be very difficult to make descent isk with them. The biggest issue with reactions is you have a long term investment (duration of the reaction job) and hope the value of the items you're reacting does not go down, whcy they have been doing for many types. Basically it seems like there is basically a fire sale for some materials, so unless you work the market alot, and will be making trips to sell and re-buy maters weekly it might be difficult get make a profit.
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
897
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Posted - 2013.04.07 12:44:00 -
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notha atfast wrote:PI, Polymer Reactions, and subsystem components as well as T3 Reverse Engineering. Not exactly Passive, but all supported by the WH you live in. It also compresses things down for ease of transporting...easier on the logistics. Yep. It's not really passive but neither is most other stuff. PI can get plenty complicated as well, although tends to be pretty easy.
I did T3 for a while and it was pretty easy after I got it going. I was part of the corp but basically used our random wormholes to other J systems to expand access to stuff we didn't get in the C2, which can get pretty boring fast if you are skilled up or have more than 5 people that don't mine.
Basically you'll need to get the c540 and 320? fullerides from highsec or get them out of a C5/C6. Check the eve wiki for gas information, they have it listed there. Also the melted nanoribbons won't drop in any reasonable amount (unless they fixed this recently) so you'll have to get those too. But besides that, most of what I needed I could get while in the WH.
Here are some links that got me started:
http://www.eve-guides.com/ui/tech3.php
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Sleeper_Sites
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpace Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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