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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.08 06:50:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:No in this case if you dont vote you are permitting Null sec to take this council
These are nullsec candidates.
Not one a true high-sec candidate concerned over high-sec issues...not even one true marketeer who lives on Jita fumes in the bunch (and no, PB, doesn't qualify). Be it Caldari; Amarr; Gallente or Minmatar.
Not one.
So if you used this campaign pitch and actually convinced players to vote "nullsec out"...the only players left are WH candidates and they don't care about nullsec/lowsec/highsec, they live in their own world. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Frying Doom
2263
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Posted - 2013.04.08 06:59:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Frying Doom wrote:No in this case if you dont vote you are permitting Null sec to take this council These are nullsec candidates. Not one a true high-sec candidate concerned over high-sec issues...not even one true marketeer who lives on Jita fumes in the bunch (and no, PB, doesn't qualify). Be it Caldari; Amarr; Gallente or Minmatar. Not one. So if you used this campaign pitch and actually convinced players to vote "nullsec out"...the only players left are WH candidates and they don't care about nullsec/lowsec/highsec, they live in their own world. Because people from Hi-sec dont vote enough, so no one runs
As to WH dwellers, I never would have thought they were that vain. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8571
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Posted - 2013.04.08 07:01:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Frying Doom wrote:No in this case if you dont vote you are permitting Null sec to take this council These are nullsec candidates. Not one a true high-sec candidate concerned over high-sec issues...not even one true marketeer who lives on Jita fumes in the bunch (and no, PB, doesn't qualify). Be it Caldari; Amarr; Gallente or Minmatar. Not one. So if you used this campaign pitch and actually convinced players to vote "nullsec out"...the only players left are WH candidates and they don't care about nullsec/lowsec/highsec, they live in their own world.
I am deeply concerned about hi-sec.
Psychotic Monk is wholly concerned about hi-sec - he's a hisec player
Mike Azariah is strongly focused on hi-sec - he's a hi-sec player
Once again you are using cheap cynicism and flat generalisations to paper over your lack of knowledge and scanty research. You could vote for the 3 of us and help to put 3 people who want to see hi-sec greatly improved onto the CSM.
Or you could handwave the opportunity away with an attempt to deflect your responsibility by making some barely relevent one-liner
I know which my money would be on if I could find anyone so foolish as to take that bet. Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
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baltec1
Bat Country
5854
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Posted - 2013.04.08 07:08:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Frying Doom wrote:No in this case if you dont vote you are permitting Null sec to take this council These are nullsec candidates. Not one a true high-sec candidate concerned over high-sec issues...not even one true marketeer who lives on Jita fumes in the bunch (and no, PB, doesn't qualify). Be it Caldari; Amarr; Gallente or Minmatar. Not one. So if you used this campaign pitch and actually convinced players to vote "nullsec out"...the only players left are WH candidates and they don't care about nullsec/lowsec/highsec, they live in their own world.
Just pointing out. Most null candidates know more about high sec than most high sec only players. |
Frying Doom
2263
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Posted - 2013.04.08 07:11:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Frying Doom wrote:No in this case if you dont vote you are permitting Null sec to take this council These are nullsec candidates. Not one a true high-sec candidate concerned over high-sec issues...not even one true marketeer who lives on Jita fumes in the bunch (and no, PB, doesn't qualify). Be it Caldari; Amarr; Gallente or Minmatar. Not one. So if you used this campaign pitch and actually convinced players to vote "nullsec out"...the only players left are WH candidates and they don't care about nullsec/lowsec/highsec, they live in their own world. Just pointing out. Most null candidates know more about high sec than most high sec only players. I would also like to point out that these servers nor this country are located in the United States of America, so the whole, I didn't vote but I will stand here and ***** about how bad things are just doesn't fly. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
127
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Posted - 2013.04.08 07:56:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Just pointing out. Most null candidates know more about high sec than most high sec only players.
How? They're too busy trying to stuff their crotch with socks. You know, priorities, first?
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8571
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Posted - 2013.04.08 08:37:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:baltec1 wrote:Just pointing out. Most null candidates know more about high sec than most high sec only players. How? They're too busy trying to stuff their crotch with socks. You know, priorities, first?
Malcanis wrote:
Or you could handwave the opportunity away with an attempt to deflect your responsibility by making some barely relevent one-liner
Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
My recommended voting list |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2013.04.08 08:50:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Or you could handwave the opportunity away with an attempt to deflect your responsibility by making some barely relevent one-liner
Not like budding CSMs have a busy work load, right? "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1277
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Posted - 2013.04.08 09:06:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:The industrialist who industrial platform is even lower than the WH candidates spoke.
Depends what you are looking for from an industrialist. It's filling all the issues an industrialist would be concerned about in the questionaire (e.g., more ME/PE slots for one), and seeing your platform near the end of the list. I mean even Greene Lee who isn't running on any industry platform came in higher than you. One WH candidate got 71%. If you really were about industrial concerns a WH candidate shouldn't beat you on your own platform.
I don't want more ME/PE slots in Empire. I don't see a need for them, as it's not hard to get slots of your own, that you can fill at will. And you should know, Industry doesn't mean 'Industry in High-sec'. It /should/ mean 'Industry in any security sector (plus wormholes)'.
I don't fill /your/ vision of industry. Steve Ronuken for CSM 8 Handy tools and SDE conversions Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Frying Doom
2265
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Posted - 2013.04.08 09:08:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:The industrialist who industrial platform is even lower than the WH candidates spoke.
Depends what you are looking for from an industrialist. It's filling all the issues an industrialist would be concerned about in the questionaire (e.g., more ME/PE slots for one), and seeing your platform near the end of the list. I mean even Greene Lee who isn't running on any industry platform came in higher than you. One WH candidate got 71%. If you really were about industrial concerns a WH candidate shouldn't beat you on your own platform. I don't want more ME/PE slots in Empire. I don't see a need for them, as it's not hard to get slots of your own, that you can fill at will. And you should know, Industry doesn't mean 'Industry in High-sec'. It /should/ mean 'Industry in any security sector (plus wormholes)'. I don't fill /your/ vision of industry. Crap now you have done it.
Everyone get your whine jackets on Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2013.04.08 09:12:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:I don't want more ME/PE slots in Empire.
You don't, which means you're pretty far down the list for campaigning on what researchers would prefer.
Steve Ronuken wrote:I don't see a need for them,
So you're campaigning for only yourself?
(Yep, the "I's" have it).
Steve Ronuken wrote:as it's not hard to get slots of your own, that you can fill at will. And you should know, Industry doesn't mean 'Industry in High-sec'. It /should/ mean 'Industry in any security sector (plus wormholes)'.
Doesn't compute, as a WH candidate scored higher than you...71% vs 57%... and isn't running on an industry platform.
Steve Ronuken wrote:I don't fill /your/ vision of industry.
Third, I...
At this stage, don't think you're campaigning for industry, but for yourself. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1277
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Posted - 2013.04.08 09:16:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Third, I...
At this stage, don't think you're campaigning for industry, but for yourself.
Perhaps I should refer you to the 5th paragraph of my Jita park post.
The industry side of my campaign is for /my/ vision of industry. Steve Ronuken for CSM 8 Handy tools and SDE conversions Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Frying Doom
2266
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Posted - 2013.04.08 09:19:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Third, I...
At this stage, don't think you're campaigning for industry, but for yourself. Perhaps I should refer you to the 5th paragraph of my Jita park post. The industry side of my campaign is for /my/ vision of industry. I will not matter, the reason you are low on his list is because he wants to get more effectively free stuff, for doing nothing.
He should say that you are low on the free loader card. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2013.04.08 09:31:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Perhaps I should refer you to the 5th paragraph of my Jita park post.
5th paragraph, it needs to be like 2nd.
You know stand tall and but your back and convictions into it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRO7ZucFAvA
Steve Ronuken wrote:The industry side of my campaign is for /my/ vision of industry.
My, not I?
Sound much like this chaps "platform"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AY8OP1iKKQ "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Artctura
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
200
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Posted - 2013.04.08 11:32:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: I will not matter, the reason you are low on his list is because he wants to get more effectively free stuff, for doing nothing.
He should say that you are low on the free loader card.
And this is the biggest problem I hear with a lot of players in their criticism of CSM candidates. There is this strange belief that just because a player is null sec, low sec, industrial or PvE, that they are going to gut the game entirely for those that don't play in their particular play style so that their play style can have life on easy mode. If you are an industrialist, I encourage you to shout up those people you believe are going to do the best job for you. I'm probably not going to be in your top 5 of vote choices, but to think that I'd go out and destroy your game instead of working to improve it, just because it isn't my main focus is narrow sighted and toxic to what the CSM needs to be in order to be effective.
Artctura for CSM 2013 |
Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
927
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Posted - 2013.04.08 12:40:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I seem to have made you angry. I am pleased. And here is me drawing it in crayon for you, "there are more alt accounts now then there was years ago" and "it is do to a steadily growing trend". Guess what, these two ideas fit together quit nicely. That makes about as much sense as someone trying to make a point in crayon. Hint: to define that there is a growth trend, nevermind that it's steady, you need numbers, at the bare minimum a start and end, preferably with at least a FEW datapoints somewhere in the middle (you know, to show that silly "trend" part) That's what Malcanis was asking for. You'd have recognized this if your IQ was higher than your shoe size.
Crayons were your idea bud lol
I just played along.
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Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
927
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Posted - 2013.04.08 12:47:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Now your stupid really is showing Thx. You demeaned your own intelligence on a public forum, better then anything I could have said on my own. No I believe that you have just proved that your whole argument is based on emotive reasoning and subsequently your desire not to vote is allowing you to believe that excuses are valid reasons. Thanks for playing.
I can't really play with you because you are demonstrating an inability to comprehend what you are reading. Playing with you requires pages of pyramid posting just to keep you on track, which would only result in a closed thread. Disagreeing with me is one thing, putting your fingers in your ears and humming, while completely ignoring anything that I am saying is another.
If you don't agree with me fine, but you can't just say Naah, not address it, not pose a legitimate counter argument (to what I am saying) and continue onward to parroting your side--of which--I have already addressed and completely contradicted.
You are a weak debater. Thus I cannot "play" with you. At best I can amuse myself by calling you a stupid poopyface.
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Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
927
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Posted - 2013.04.08 12:49:00 -
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Artctura wrote: And this is the biggest problem I hear with a lot of players in their criticism of CSM candidates. There is this strange belief that just because a player is null sec, low sec, industrial or PvE, that they are going to gut the game entirely for those that don't play in their particular play style so that their play style can have life on easy mode.
This is called learned behavior. I mean... where ever did people get that "strange" idea from? The clear blue sky?
It can't possibly be LEARNED behavior can it? You know, based upon what has actually happened in the past and what continually appears to be happening today? They must be concocting strange ideas out of no where.
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Artctura
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
200
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Posted - 2013.04.08 12:59:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Artctura wrote: And this is the biggest problem I hear with a lot of players in their criticism of CSM candidates. There is this strange belief that just because a player is null sec, low sec, industrial or PvE, that they are going to gut the game entirely for those that don't play in their particular play style so that their play style can have life on easy mode.
This is called learned behavior. I mean... where ever did people get that "strange" idea from? The clear blue sky? It can't possibly be LEARNED behavior can it? You know, based upon what has actually happened in the past and what continually appears to be happening today? They must be concocting strange ideas out of no where.
No, its called an uninformed CSM refusing to reach out to the community to truly understand their needs. It's a communications failure leading to a breakdown of information causing an improper opinion to be pushed. If you believe that the CSM, or its members, are acting on the simple goal of screwing over a portion of the player base for no reason other then to screw them over, there is nothing I can say to you to change your mind. I however refuse to believe that is the case.
Now, if you believe that the CSM in the past has made decisions that are more beneficial to their playstyle, more beneficial to their region of space and more beneficial to their constiuency, I won't argue that point and while being on the receiving end of such a change (And I've seen 3 in the last year directly hurt my coalition), makes it look like the former is the case, being able to see and understand both sides of the argument shows that the actions were done with what the CSM saw as the best interests of the game, not simply to screw over a certain segment of the population.
You can insert all your perception is reality, and so on analogies here, but I simply refuse to believe that, and despite all of the issues in CSM 7, including being extremely disunited, no where in the hundred of pages of meeting minutes can I find anything along the lines of "Lets make life miserable for XXX". Artctura for CSM 2013 |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14688
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Posted - 2013.04.08 13:09:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Mag's wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Would you care to show me another games who's subscriptions have only ever risen(excluding incarna) or a game that has dropped the percentage of subscriptions this did in Incarna and bounced back so well? By opening more alt accounts, you mean? You have no evidence to show that, either way. But it's irrelevant to the point and his point still stands. Account numbers are at an all time high. Everyone I know has at least one alt, and my oldest friends in game have several, not all of which are currently active. It was not that way a few years ago. Objectively, it is an observable trend in game that is even being marketed by CCP at this time--and it is safe to say, if not extremely likely, that a much larger portion of EVE's player base now consists of alts then ever before in this game's history. That's a really nice and technical way of telling you to go and blow it out of your ass. EVE is now being marketed as a "Power of Two" game it is so prolific. ...and yet we are told NOT to think that the power of two has any effect on subscriptions. Oh my... the stupid. It burns. You talk as if the power of two and alt accounts are something new, they are not. I've played since early 2004 and have had 2 accounts and more pretty much since. I have only one atm, but that's due to not having time to play.
That's a polite why of saying no sh*t Sherlock.
As far as your assertion that "yet we are told NOT to think that the power of two has any effect on subscriptions." I'm not sure what you're waffling on about. I've never been told this, maybe you could provide a link of CCP telling us. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14688
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Posted - 2013.04.08 13:13:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Mag's wrote:You have no evidence to show that, either way. But it's irrelevant to the point and his point still stands. Account numbers are at an all time high. Nice try, but the high numbers = more alt accounts. Allowing ISBox to multibox 20+ accounts ensures it. Nice try at what exactly? I'm merely pointing out the fact you have no evidence and the fact it makes no difference to the fact, that subscription figures are at an all time high. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Sassi Levan
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.04.08 13:25:00 -
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If only for the insane amount of spam and newssites being completely swamped by this: Get it over with!!! |
Frying Doom
2267
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Posted - 2013.04.08 14:28:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Now your stupid really is showing Thx. You demeaned your own intelligence on a public forum, better then anything I could have said on my own. No I believe that you have just proved that your whole argument is based on emotive reasoning and subsequently your desire not to vote is allowing you to believe that excuses are valid reasons. Thanks for playing. I can't really play with you because you are demonstrating an inability to comprehend what you are reading. Playing with you requires pages of pyramid posting just to keep you on track, which would only result in a closed thread. Disagreeing with me is one thing, putting your fingers in your ears and humming, while completely ignoring anything that I am saying is another. If you don't agree with me fine, but you can't just say Naah, not address it, not pose a legitimate counter argument (to what I am saying) and continue onward to parroting your side--of which--I have already addressed and completely contradicted. You are a weak debater. Thus I cannot "play" with you. At best I can amuse myself by calling you a stupid poopyface. You can make excuse all you like.
Oh wait that is all you seem to be capable of doing. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8578
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:08:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: They must be concocting strange ideas out of no where.
Like the idea that alt accounts are more prevelant than they were a year or two ago?
Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
My recommended voting list |
Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
927
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:56:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: They must be concocting strange ideas out of no where. Like the idea that alt accounts are more prevelant than they were a year or two ago?
Here is another well mannered CSM (want-to-be) being constructive, and giving the player base well informed information in a respectful and dignified manner.
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Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
927
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:58:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: You can make excuse all you like.
Oh wait that is all you seem to be capable of doing.
Says the parrot who has yet to as much as comment on the previous pages of text I have submitted. Let alone respond with a valid counter argument. Sorry bud, I am not going to pyramid post it either.
* Gives cracker.
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Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
927
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:04:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Mag's wrote:You have no evidence to show that, either way. But it's irrelevant to the point and his point still stands. Account numbers are at an all time high. Nice try, but the high numbers = more alt accounts. Allowing ISBox to multibox 20+ accounts ensures it. Nice try at what exactly? I'm merely pointing out the fact you have no evidence and the fact it makes no difference to the fact, that subscription figures are at an all time high.
You can't prove that subs are not at an all time high via the growing trend of multiple accounts. I however have years of subjective experience, being that I have personally recruited at least 2,000 pilots into various corporations and alliances. I have dealt with individuals on forums that you have never even heard of and have been in contact with more then my share of pilots on a personal level for somewhere around 5 years.
I have worked on supercarrier production operations. I have been asked to be a guest speaker at certain notable eve schools. I have dealt with mission runners and -10 pilots. The change over the past couple of years has been very noticeable. Everyone and everybody are all getting that second account, at least. Many of my old friends now have 3,4 and 5 accounts. Some have more.
So when you say "find me a website that proves it" I say...
Maybe log in and go talk to some people. You know... engage them a little. Then you too can benefit from eve's social medium.
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Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
927
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:24:00 -
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God I am stuck pyramid posting anyway
This:
Artctura wrote: And this is the biggest problem I hear with a lot of players in their criticism of CSM candidates. There is this strange belief that just because a player is null sec, low sec, industrial or PvE, that they are going to gut the game entirely for those that don't play in their particular play style so that their play style can have life on easy mode.
Means basically the same thing as this:
Artctura wrote: Now, if you believe that the CSM in the past has made decisions that are more beneficial to their playstyle, more beneficial to their region of space and more beneficial to their constiuency, I won't argue that point and while being on the receiving end of such a change (And I've seen 3 in the last year directly hurt my coalition),
Yes. Yes. Of course. That is what they did. That is what people have seen them do. That is what people have "learned" that they will continue to do. Period. So if you are not connected to their playing style, and if you are not going to profit from it in anyway, shape or form...then you have no representation. Often enough, their version of "bettering eve" is going to screw over the other guy some way, some how.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1589
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:26:00 -
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Vote or Die mother***** |
Artctura
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
201
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:54:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:God I am stuck pyramid posting anyway This: Artctura wrote: And this is the biggest problem I hear with a lot of players in their criticism of CSM candidates. There is this strange belief that just because a player is null sec, low sec, industrial or PvE, that they are going to gut the game entirely for those that don't play in their particular play style so that their play style can have life on easy mode.
Means basically the same thing as this: Artctura wrote: Now, if you believe that the CSM in the past has made decisions that are more beneficial to their playstyle, more beneficial to their region of space and more beneficial to their constiuency, I won't argue that point and while being on the receiving end of such a change (And I've seen 3 in the last year directly hurt my coalition),
Yes. Yes. Of course. That is what they did. That is what people have seen them do. That is what people have "learned" that they will continue to do. Period. So if you are not connected to their playing style, and if you are not going to profit from it in anyway, shape or form...then you have no representation. Often enough, their version of "bettering eve" is going to screw over the other guy some way, some how.
No. It's very different. In the first case, a CSM member is going to say "I don't care, they aren't me, screw them". In the second, there is at least hope that they'll go out and engage the other people, learn and be the person that tries to bring their ideas to the table. I can't help it if you can't see the semantical and philosophical differences between those two statements.
I am simply postulating that while you believe the former is true which is hopeless, I believe it's the latter and it can be fixed. Artctura for CSM 2013 |
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