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Magnus Saken
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.04 03:01:00 -
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Ok i really am not intending to flame / troll
i see people with pimp fit faction ships costing billions of isk, do they just do mission, after mission, after mission.. i don't see how someone could see this viable for making Isk, or is it not about the isk and the actual mission ?
When i think about some of these pimp fit level 4 mission ships. What does it average about to lets say 30 mil an hour.
The very thought of having to do missions for 3 hours for about 100 mil, x 10 so 30 hours of grinding missions for 1 bil?
Is my logic not correct?
i would rather pay 35 bucks for a GTC then spend 30 hours making that isk. That is just insane.
Yikes.
Also, how is it possible to make a good amount mining in hi sec? Sub 5 accounts, train 4 for exhumers and 1 for leadership orca and just got at it? How much isk could this get you?
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Selene Nask
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.04.04 03:44:00 -
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I don't do missions all the time but I do them quite a bit. I also mine on another character at times. I don't play just to max isk. I just do what I feel like doing. Mining is great if I'm tired and don't want to think to much.
As long as I'm making some isk or standings I don't care. I could just do the things that would give me max isk but for me there's more to the whole game then just making money. I set myself small goals in a number of areas and play to reach them. |
Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
230
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Posted - 2013.04.04 05:23:00 -
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Mining missions exist to give non-combat, non-industrial characters a way to increase standings. Doing them serves the same purpose to a miner that blitzing tons of level 1 security missions does for a combat pilot. "A carrot on a stick will lead a donkey on forever, but not if the donkey is dead. Make the carrot as big as you want, that donkey isn't going anywhere." |
Idicious Lightbane
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2013.04.04 06:43:00 -
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Many people do choose to buy GTC's instead of grinding for ISK, there are however many people who do enjoy missioning, and apparently don't see it as a grind. There are many more interesting ways to make ISK imo, I either buy GTC, and build up LP over time in Faction Warfare which also provides a very decent income, better than level 4 missions and you can combine it with pvp. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2013.04.04 07:24:00 -
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Magnus Saken wrote:Ok i really am not intending to flame / troll i see people with pimp fit faction ships costing billions of isk, do they just do mission, after mission, after mission.. i don't see how someone could see this viable for making Isk, or is it not about the isk and the actual mission ?
Faction Warfare and Faction standings.
The expensive PvE BS also do dual duty for incursion fleets (and those pay rather well, but have high skill requirements too).
If you go into manufacturing you'll need the faction standings for specific corporations. The bigger your ship the faster and cheaper (less ammo used) to complete those level 4s. And manufacturers extensively salvage them for even more profit.
Most mine for some added ISK (making 40mil just on the lowest roids isn't bad), but manufacturers will do it for production. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
820
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Posted - 2013.04.04 07:40:00 -
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Lots of people never go beyond running missions or mining, they also manage to somehow stay completely devoid of any knowledge in regards to ship fittings, basic game mechanics and just about everything else. Even players who've been around for years are still dumb as ****. Personally I'd go crazy if all I'd do was just run missions for no other reason than to run missions. If I do them it's because I need standing for new locator alts or to to give access to Jump clones, meaning it's only done for a short while and there's light at the end of the tunnel. Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything.
Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish |
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.04.04 09:29:00 -
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I mine and run low level missions and make a decent living out of it, so much so that I own everything from Macks to a fully fitted Noctis and a 1.6bn Obelisk..all from mining and missions. I much prefer to earn what I use rather than going your route, unlike some on here though I won't judge you or anyone else for how you fund your play style...each to their own. If anyone ever tells you your playing the game wrong tell them to go screw themselves. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises Project Wildfire
378
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Posted - 2013.04.04 09:39:00 -
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I enjoy doing missions because its an easy relaxed way to make ISK where i dont have to pay much attention and allows me to do other things at the same time, but mainly because its also a good group activety to do with younger players/new members when your just trying to get to know them.
Allows for the chat to flow more frequently since you can easaly change the subject to something like "Hey can you kill that scrambler for me?" or similar, and allows the younger player to feel a bit more..useful (of you could just send drones on that frig but the whole point is to allow a new player to feel like they are contributing). I also consider it a nice way to help younger players get some ISK, without just handing it to them. I really dont like just giving away ISK but want the player to feel that they actually have to work for it, and for a week old player the bounties/salvage/LP from a lvl 4 mission is quite a bit more then what they could normally make. Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Austin Coleman
All 4 1 Corporation
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Posted - 2013.04.04 09:39:00 -
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I left EVE 1 year ago, after playing for about 6 months. At the time i didn't really care what i can do and what possibilities the universe was offering me, i just did combat missions. i continued doing missions untile i got a Drake and went for lvl 3s... then i got bored becasue it was everytime the same thing...
now i'm back, began playing 1 week ago and i saw what opportunities EVE has! The new tutorial show you different paths to choose from, i didn't even know about exploration an WHs!
My experience will be different this time. Or at least i hope it will! going to do some exploration, some pvp, and definitely go into a corp with lots of people that offers lowsec, pvp, and exploration... at leat as long as my RL grants me some spare time to play... university will begin in september :-D
in conclusion i would say, missions and mining are enjoyble, bit get ripetitive after some time, but you don't have to play several houres to do something useful a mission doesen't take that long, and mining can be interrupted at almost every time (especially in HiSec) |
Skurja Volpar
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.04 10:12:00 -
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There are people out there who just enjoy the slow steady accumulation of wealth, and have nothing to spend it on but shiny bling for their PVE machines.
But most mission runners do it for the ISK to fund other stuff, and while its far from the highest income, you can do it when no one you know is online, and while they are boring, they are less repetitive than incursions. But they are still dull, and when your running hours and hours of missions just to but 2 or 3 nicely fit battlecruisers, anything shiny that makes it faster is a welcome addition.
I've reached a point where I can't psychically run them anymore, and am messing with a trade alt to try and replace the income stream. But it's reliable ISK that's there if you need it.
Mining I'm less sure about, but people must enjoy it, as their are barges in every belt in high.
But all in all, Eve PVE is work. If you want to completely avoid it, you'll need to pull of the mother of all scams on a monthly basis, or buy PLEX with your non spaceship currency of choice. |
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Ronan Huren
Pheonix Corp Selectus
0
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Posted - 2013.04.04 12:26:00 -
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I find some missions fun. Yes they get repetitive if you do them a lot. But thats why i dont do them a lot i try and mix it up with Exploration and PvP.Doing htat i find the odd mission fun especially in a fleet. To mak it harder i try and run L2s and L3s with frigates for a challenge. As for mining. I have no clue why some people choose to do it. But i suppose its easy isk if you dont feel like paying attention or just want something to do while you chat with corpmates or whatever. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Resurgent Threat
185
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Posted - 2013.04.04 12:34:00 -
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Missions were for me an entertaining way to learn the game interface and to get the 'feel' of new ships.
Now running missions in lowsec with neutrals in system is much more intesting. '... you cannot reason with the mining bots, you cannot negotiate with them, you can only bring them judgement in the form of Navy Antimatter, turn their Mackinaws to salvage and dust, smartbomb their pods, and burn their Mining Link implants with sweet incense...'- The Gospel according to St James 315 |
Doctor Ape MD
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.04 12:44:00 -
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Most everybody has already covered the points in detail, but personally I find missions a fun and useful thing to do when RL gets hectic and I'm not sure when I'm going to be interrupted (which happens a lot more frequently with a newborn around, I'll tell you that).
It's something that you can do solo, something you can (usually) take breaks from by warping away, and it's something that has side effects that help your character in the long run (standings which help in many ways no matter what your preferred line of work). They can also be a nice place to test drive new ships and/or fits before doing more dangerous things with them.
I have a mining alt and it's the same sort of thing. Sometimes when I'm very busy (doing something else on my computer), talking with someone on the phone, or otherwise occupied) I'll log in my miner and start blasting rocks in the background. Sure sometimes I end up forgetting about him for an hour, but usually he's a passive way to generate a little extra ISK when I'm too busy to really pay attention to what's going on. At least he's being somewhat useful while training up for better (more entertaining) things (I have longterm plans for him being a blockade runner and wormhole resource harvester). |
J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
2037
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Posted - 2013.04.04 18:58:00 -
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The fun about the sandbox that's known as EVE.
Everybody can play it in the way they want.
I hate missions, they are horrible repetitive and grindy. So I don't do them. But if others do like them and have fun with them, good for them. It's their subscription, so they can play it in their way.
When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
552
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Posted - 2013.04.04 21:08:00 -
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"Missions / Mining... Are there really people who enjoy these?"
How is this any more insane that going for a low sec roam in hopes of finding someone to blow up, getting nothing of real value for your troubles?
Killboard stats? Is there really anyone that cares about these stupid, easily manipulated, meaningless numbers?
That is insane.
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Xayder
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
213
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Posted - 2013.04.04 21:31:00 -
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I multibox 5 hulks + 1 Orca and, ...Oh God I love it I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
914
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Posted - 2013.04.04 21:38:00 -
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i just ran 2x blockade back to back. there is nothing more relaxing than spending half an hour making battleships explode while watching news on youtube.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
2038
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Posted - 2013.04.04 21:46:00 -
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I just got a new personal record in my ship spinning history.
Tomorrow I will try to beat that 15.000 spins. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker. |
Spondoo Lix
University of Caille Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.04.04 21:57:00 -
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I quite often just fly my destroyer around corpmates who are mining.....which combines the tedium of mining with an almost total lack of isk making.....
But you get to make new friends in fleet chat, they (mostly) don't have to worry about being exploded...and it's as much fun as you make it. If 2 or 3 Catalysts (they always use Catalysts, for some reason) warp in, I may be the difference between them getting home or being 30+mill in the red. More likely the latter will still happen, at this early stage in my eve career, but at least they won't have to warp out because of a few 0.5 rats, which can be a real problem for a new player.
IMO, the game isn't about grinding isk, it's about interacting with other people, whether that's helping them stay alive and make money, or helping them have a quick ride home on the pod express.
People get so focused on ISK......it's about fun, and friends. |
Cryxx Nadoa
Logica Solutions
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Posted - 2013.04.04 22:14:00 -
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Well that's the great thing about eve...you can enjoy it the way you like...even though it seems alot of people (mainly PVPers) have a problem with others not enjoying the game the same way they do.
I find mining quite relaxing at times, talking to people in the chat, watching some QI on youtube in a small window meanwhile, good stuff ^^ |
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Xayder
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
214
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Posted - 2013.04.04 22:26:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:i just ran 2x blockade back to back. there is nothing more relaxing than spending half an hour making battleships explode while watching news on youtube.
While I mutlibox my mining fleet I watch the entire Starwars series I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1522
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Posted - 2013.04.04 22:54:00 -
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No. Making isk in this game is pretty much terrible on all fronts. Even the best effort to reward (Scamming) requires you talk to morons. |
Disastro
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
69
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Posted - 2013.04.05 00:08:00 -
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Magnus Saken wrote:Ok i really am not intending to flame / troll i see people with pimp fit faction ships costing billions of isk, do they just do mission, after mission, after mission.. i don't see how someone could see this viable for making Isk, or is it not about the isk and the actual mission ? When i think about some of these pimp fit level 4 mission ships. What does it average about to lets say 30 mil an hour. The very thought of having to do missions for 3 hours for about 100 mil, x 10 so 30 hours of grinding missions for 1 bil? Is my logic not correct? i would rather pay 35 bucks for a GTC then spend 30 hours making that isk. That is just insane. Yikes. Also, how is it possible to make a good amount mining in hi sec? Sub 5 accounts, train 4 for exhumers and 1 for leadership orca and just got at it? How much isk could this get you?
For some players Mining and Missioning are the game. For others.... these things are just means to an end. In most mmorpgs there is some kind of element of "grinding" for experience points. In eve you dont have this problem. Instead you grind for money. However, there are many other ways to make money in eve besides doing the various PVE options. Scamming, Marketing, Stealing from players and corps, killing people and taking their mods, extortion are other methods people sometimes use.
As for missioning and mining i think thats tends to just be the starting point for most eve players. At some point folks usually move to null sec and begin pvping and doing the varoius null sec pve options to fund that endeavor. Some of us run missions in null sec to make money for pvp. |
Belle Chancel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.04.05 01:21:00 -
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Disastro wrote:Magnus Saken wrote:Ok i really am not intending to flame / troll i see people with pimp fit faction ships costing billions of isk, do they just do mission, after mission, after mission.. i don't see how someone could see this viable for making Isk, or is it not about the isk and the actual mission ? When i think about some of these pimp fit level 4 mission ships. What does it average about to lets say 30 mil an hour. The very thought of having to do missions for 3 hours for about 100 mil, x 10 so 30 hours of grinding missions for 1 bil? Is my logic not correct? i would rather pay 35 bucks for a GTC then spend 30 hours making that isk. That is just insane. Yikes. Also, how is it possible to make a good amount mining in hi sec? Sub 5 accounts, train 4 for exhumers and 1 for leadership orca and just got at it? How much isk could this get you? For some players Mining and Missioning are the game. For others.... these things are just means to an end. In most mmorpgs there is some kind of element of "grinding" for experience points. In eve you dont have this problem. Instead you grind for money. However, there are many other ways to make money in eve besides doing the various PVE options. Scamming, Marketing, Stealing from players and corps, killing people and taking their mods, extortion are other methods people sometimes use. As for missioning and mining i think thats tends to just be the starting point for most eve players. At some point folks usually move to null sec and begin pvping and doing the varoius null sec pve options to fund that endeavor. Some of us run missions in null sec to make money for pvp.
Pretty much my plan, missions, mining and exploration until I build up enough that a few lost ships in lowsec isn't going to wipe me out. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1296
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Posted - 2013.04.05 10:56:00 -
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Back when I was twenty I would have found mining & missions to be rather dull.
Many years, a career, a house, a family and an OMG is that a gray hair later... okay well it's still dull but I'm kind of ok with that. Dull is good. Dull doesn't require me to be able to catch flies in chopsticks. Dull is nice and relaxing after a hard day of dealing the seething mass of insufferable idiocy that is The General Public.
So... just a matter of perspective, I guess. Live Events are neither. |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front New Creation Collective
250
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Posted - 2013.04.05 19:34:00 -
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Fact is, mission running and mining can be fun for a little while, or a relaxing escape from RL stress anyway, but it takes a very rare and special kind of person to continue to enjoy these activities in the long term. Most people who focus on these things either quit the game early or start PvPing. But shockingly, there are quite a few people who mission run and do PVE activities almost exclusively for years on end. We call these people targets. Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
7883
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Posted - 2013.04.08 04:56:00 -
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Spondoo Lix wrote:snip If 2 or 3 Catalysts (they always use Catalysts, for some reason) warp in, I may be the difference between them getting home or being 30+mill in the red. Catalysts are the weapon of choice purely because they're cheap, and they deliver the best bang for buck of all the destroyers (600+DPS with a well skilled pilot, T2 modules, T2 ammo and overheating). Suicide ganking has a very limited window of opportunity, so gankers will want to put down as much hurt as possible in the window, and do it with the minimum outlay of Isk.
Quote:IMO, the game isn't about grinding isk, it's about interacting with other people, whether that's helping them stay alive and make money, or helping them have a quick ride home on the pod express.
People get so focused on ISK......it's about fun, and friends. You've hit the nail on the head right there, Eve is a very social game. A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Werner vanDeventer
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.15 14:07:00 -
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Silly Question What is GTC? I have been looking for a list of game abbreviations but to no avail
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Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
143
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Posted - 2013.04.15 14:35:00 -
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Werner vanDeventer wrote:Silly Question What is GTC? I have been looking for a list of game abbreviations but to no avail
GTC = Game Time Code, which can be converted into one or more PLEX (Pilot License EXtension), which can be used to extend your subscription or sold on the open market for ISK. "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
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