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Egravant Alduin
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.26 14:03:00 -
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Guys is ccp serious?Platinum insurance for typhoon fleet issue is paying 100m?While the ship costs more than 250m.This sucks. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8303
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Posted - 2013.03.26 14:04:00 -
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The insurance is based on the T1 hull. You can't insure the "faction" part of it. Same with all faction ships, and for T2 also. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Egravant Alduin
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.03.26 14:18:00 -
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They should fix this since not all people are rich to buy money by eve store and have new ships.Really disappointed.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8304
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Posted - 2013.03.26 14:20:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:They should fix this since not all people are rich to buy money by eve store and have new ships.Really disappointed.
It's not a mistake that needs fixing, it's on purpose and it needs to stay that way.
Have a think and see if you can understand why a ship which is simply better in every way than a normal phoon needs to have a far higher real (ie: post-insurance) cost than a normal phoon. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
notha atfast
Jabba Industries INC. Punkz 'n Monkeys
30
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Posted - 2013.03.26 14:29:00 -
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It's linked to Mineral cost to build the Hull. Try insuring a T3 ship. I think you get back 20 mil at Platinum. Talk about underwhelming. Plus if they handed out the price of the ship in insurance payments why would anyone need to sell plex?? |
John Ratcliffe
sausy sausages
106
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Posted - 2013.03.26 14:33:00 -
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I understand why Insurance doesn't give 100% of the actual ship cost. Is there an argument for removing Insurance completely?
Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
John Ratcliffe
sausy sausages
106
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Posted - 2013.03.26 14:34:00 -
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notha atfast wrote:...if they handed out the price of the ship in insurance payments why would anyone need to sell plex??
To replace the mods that you can't insure. Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
332
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Posted - 2013.03.26 14:50:00 -
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What? derp? |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
902
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:36:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:I understand why Insurance doesn't give 100% of the actual ship cost. Is there an argument for removing Insurance completely?
Yeah, kill that gaping isk faucet. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
69
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:54:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:They should fix this since not all people are rich to buy money from eve store and have new ships.Really disappointed.
Dont buy the Fleet Phoon then, buy a normal one.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8306
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:57:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:I understand why Insurance doesn't give 100% of the actual ship cost. Is there an argument for removing Insurance completely?
There is but there are some big issues with doing so as well. For one thing, it would kick the floor out from under mining income. For another, it would hand a nice advantage to high-SP players, because the cost differential between T1 and T2 would be greatly reduced. And that means it would also be a big boost to tech moon owners. Oh and falling mineral prices would make it cheaper to build capital and supercapital ships also
So:
Winners: Goons, PL, high skill-point players, inventors, T2 BPO owners, rich players, people who want a capital or a supercap.
Losers: Miners, T1 ship builders, low skillpoint players, poor players Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Ersahi Kir
Freelance Mining Company
44
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Posted - 2013.03.26 17:37:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:John Ratcliffe wrote:I understand why Insurance doesn't give 100% of the actual ship cost. Is there an argument for removing Insurance completely?
There is but there are some big issues with doing so as well. For one thing, it would kick the floor out from under mining income. For another, it would hand a nice advantage to high-SP players, because the cost differential between T1 and T2 would be greatly reduced. And that means it would also be a big boost to tech moon owners. Oh and falling mineral prices would make it cheaper to build capital and supercapital ships also So: Winners: Goons, PL, high skill-point players, inventors, T2 BPO owners, rich players, people who want a capital or a supercap. Losers: Miners, T1 ship builders, low skillpoint players, poor players
Miners never really lose due to inflation or deflation. If the economy is deflated they're going to have to mine for X hours to get a ship. If the economy is inflated they're going to have to mine for X hours to get a ship. There really is nothing as stable as miner income.
/not exactly true when dealing with T2 and T3 ships, but pretty darn accurate for T1 and (now) Faction ships |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
139
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Posted - 2013.03.26 17:54:00 -
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Getting rid of insurance and moon minerals would go a long way towards fixing Eve. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1102
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Posted - 2013.03.26 18:09:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:They should fix this since not all people are rich to buy money from eve store and have new ships.Really disappointed.
Be glad you didn't learn this lesson on a Machariel.
And no, I don't buy iskies. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
353
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Posted - 2013.03.26 18:12:00 -
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Egravant Alduin wrote:They should fix this since not all people are rich to buy money from eve store and have new ships.Really disappointed.
Nothing to fix. Just don't fly what you can't afford to lose. |
Steel Roamer
Pandemic Legion Academy
16
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Posted - 2013.03.26 18:57:00 -
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I agree with OP.
I buy shiney ships that cost alot to own. I prefer the faction versions because they are teh bestest in teh gaem like my rare level 45 dungeon dragon slaying sword of +45 Cat Summoning in WoW.
But I want the best items in the game and I never want to lose them because this is Eve, and WoW has more players so Eve should be more like WoW right? Right, Guys?
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
355
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Posted - 2013.03.26 19:06:00 -
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Steel Roamer wrote:I agree with OP.
I buy shiney ships that cost alot to own. I prefer the faction versions because they are teh bestest in teh gaem like my rare level 45 dungeon dragon slaying sword of +45 Cat Summoning in WoW.
But I want the best items in the game and I never want to lose them because this is Eve, and WoW has more players so Eve should be more like WoW right? Right, Guys?
Even if this was a serious post, applying the WoW model to a game has proven to be a bad idea now. Just look at all the "WoW killer" doing the exact same stuff or barely different and how they all ended. |
Mire Stoude
Antelope with Night Vision Goggles
150
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Posted - 2013.03.26 19:12:00 -
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All insurance should be removed. It might keep newbs out of ships they shouldn't be flying. |
Alexa Coates
Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC
316
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Posted - 2013.03.26 19:36:00 -
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i haven't flown t1 ships seriously in years, I totally forgot insurance existed. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
380
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Posted - 2013.03.27 04:10:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:Egravant Alduin wrote:They should fix this since not all people are rich to buy money from eve store and have new ships.Really disappointed. Dont buy the Fleet Phoon then, buy 2.5 normal ones.
*fixed* |
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John Grimm
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
0
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Posted - 2013.03.27 06:33:00 -
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Steel Roamer wrote:I agree with OP.
I buy shiney ships that cost alot to own. I prefer the faction versions because they are teh bestest in teh gaem like my rare level 45 dungeon dragon slaying sword of +45 Cat Summoning in WoW.
But I want the best items in the game and I never want to lose them because this is Eve, and WoW has more players so Eve should be more like WoW right? Right, Guys?
Thank you for the good laugh. Steel and Iron guard me well, or else i'm dead and doomed to Hell |
BlackMatrix
Friends with no benefits ASCENSI0N.
0
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Posted - 2013.04.09 13:28:00 -
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Steel Roamer wrote:I agree with OP.
I buy shiney ships that cost alot to own. I prefer the faction versions because they are teh bestest in teh gaem like my rare level 45 dungeon dragon slaying sword of +45 Cat Summoning in WoW.
But I want the best items in the game and I never want to lose them because this is Eve, and WoW has more players so Eve should be more like WoW right? Right, Guys?
I laughed to start with ... but now the content of the post is making me ill. Please delete it. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
832
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Posted - 2013.04.09 14:30:00 -
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When i insure my implants at platinum level, i still only get 0 isk back.
herf derp fyx pluz see see pee http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2013.04.09 22:51:00 -
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I'm confused here so maybe someone can help me...
If he's doing PVP in a faction battleship shouldn't he be in an alliance that offers ship replacement? If not have a source of income that would cover the losses.
If he's losing enough faction battleships to PVE where insurance is an issue..... Well maybe uninstall Eve and find another game to play? |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
363
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Posted - 2013.04.09 23:24:00 -
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IIshira wrote:I'm confused here so maybe someone can help me...
If he's doing PVP in a faction battleship shouldn't he be in an alliance that offers ship replacement? If not have a source of income that would cover the losses.
If he's losing enough faction battleships to PVE where insurance is an issue..... Well maybe uninstall Eve and find another game to play?
If you go too fast in shipping up in PvE, you can lose a few ships on the way. People getting ina battle ship the moment they get "racial abttel ship I" are a gopod example of that. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
104
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Posted - 2013.04.10 01:20:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:IIshira wrote:I'm confused here so maybe someone can help me...
If he's doing PVP in a faction battleship shouldn't he be in an alliance that offers ship replacement? If not have a source of income that would cover the losses.
If he's losing enough faction battleships to PVE where insurance is an issue..... Well maybe uninstall Eve and find another game to play? If you go too fast in shipping up in PvE, you can lose a few ships on the way. People getting ina battle ship the moment they get "racial abttel ship I" are a gopod example of that.
Maybe he should reevaluate his skills and get into a ship he is capable of flying. Sorry if that sounds harsh but I like to call it "tough love".
Between all my accounts I've lost one battleship to PVE. This is with doing thousands of missions on multiple accounts in over 3 years playing Eve. This loss was due to me playing without enough sleep and being careless. If I actually insured my mission ships I would have spent far more than the cost of that one hull paying for insurance.
I use insurance for T1 PVP ships. It's a great way to recoup some of the loss for those fun lowsec roams :D |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
308
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Posted - 2013.04.10 02:30:00 -
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I want a cat sword. For my CQ. i think it would look great on the wall above the door. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
425
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Posted - 2013.04.10 04:50:00 -
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IIshira wrote:I'm confused here so maybe someone can help me...
If he's doing PVP in a faction battleship shouldn't he be in an alliance that offers ship replacement? If not have a source of income that would cover the losses.
If he's losing enough faction battleships to PVE where insurance is an issue..... Well maybe uninstall Eve and find another game to play? I don't think there are alliances that offer faction BS reimbursement programs. AFAIK even when people used Navy Apoc fleets, they were buying them on their own despite the entire thing being corp/alliance level op. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2013.04.10 22:14:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:IIshira wrote:I'm confused here so maybe someone can help me...
If he's doing PVP in a faction battleship shouldn't he be in an alliance that offers ship replacement? If not have a source of income that would cover the losses.
If he's losing enough faction battleships to PVE where insurance is an issue..... Well maybe uninstall Eve and find another game to play? I don't think there are alliances that offer faction BS reimbursement programs. AFAIK even when people used Navy Apoc fleets, they were buying them on their own despite the entire thing being corp/alliance level op.
There are... At least I have a friend in one that does. It kind of looks like a pain because he has to go to a website and fill out some crap... It reminded me of filing a real insurance claim LOL... They only does it for sanctioned alliance fleets though. Maybe it's the exception rather than the rule though. I PVP cheap in T1 cruisers or batlecruisers. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8609
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Posted - 2013.04.11 08:18:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:IIshira wrote:I'm confused here so maybe someone can help me...
If he's doing PVP in a faction battleship shouldn't he be in an alliance that offers ship replacement? If not have a source of income that would cover the losses.
If he's losing enough faction battleships to PVE where insurance is an issue..... Well maybe uninstall Eve and find another game to play? I don't think there are alliances that offer faction BS reimbursement programs. AFAIK even when people used Navy Apoc fleets, they were buying them on their own despite the entire thing being corp/alliance level op.
INIT. does. My NavPhoon is reimburseable as long as it's correctly fitted and in a fleet which uses the appropriate doctrine. Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
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