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Ghoest
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Posted - 2005.09.01 05:04:00 -
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I had a wonderful time the first 4 months I played WoW. Maybe the best time I have had in any MMO.
Then I turned 60 and there was no more game.
WoW has some wonderful content - far better than Eves. But the world has no depth beyond the content.
Eve has by far the player interaction system of any MMO. Thats important for long term play.
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Clutch Cargo
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Posted - 2005.09.01 05:10:00 -
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I have Guild Wars, I played for about two days then got sick of having to go in the same direction and kill the same mobs over and over. I still can't figure out exactly what I am supposed to do in game, hence I don't bother to play.
It was really hyped up, but it failed to deliver IMO.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.09.01 06:02:00 -
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I have figured out that the ultimate mmo would be a cross between eve, ninja gaiden, and diablo.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2005.09.01 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Slithereen
I find this interesting. To boldly go where no MMO has gone before.
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/gaming/news/article/6632.html
http://www.startrek.perpetual.com/
Agreed its interesting, however after reading the FAQ I come to a few conclusions :
They are attempting to bite off a lot. They are extremely optomistic with there time table. (2 years?!?) They are already planning or ruling things out as being "expansion" content. They have never published an MMO before (they have been developing one other for a while, but it appears to be some ways off yet and also already planning multiple expansions)
To be honest the dev team it reminds me the most of would be westwood with Earth and Beyond, but I've seen a lot of poor MMO's or flat out failed MMO's with the same sort of .. Having a hard time describing what I mean, naivetie maybe.
So to sum up :
Potential for a good, unique MMO set in the star trek universe : very high. Likelyhood of actually fulfilling that potential : low.
In my humble opinion of course (With the philosophy : Hope for the best, prepare for the worst) . ----- Apologies for any rambling that may have just occurred.
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Arthura Guinnessa
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Posted - 2005.09.01 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear if so why is it im still lossing eve-mates to it
Because it's still a great game thats fun to play?
PvP is different from eve.
All in all eve and wow are so not comparable, your friends prolly got bored of eve. The thing with wow is, you don't need to travel 2300 jumps to find someone to fight, you join the battleground queue and 5mins later you're having fun pvping people. Also i still think most people really play mmo's for the team pve content..... and well pve is not eve's strong side :)
I do think eve will actually lose some more pvp'er to wow over the next year, as blizzard is pushing out new battlegrounds every now and then.
Anyway it's a horse that has been beaten to death, wow simply doesn't offer the depth eve can. But wow is a quicker game, and imo more casual player friendly. (Even tough the pvp system is for nolifers, you can have fun and a life ;)
And after the 100th lame corp does ninja logoff/logon attacks on your alliance you realize that CCP hasn't realized what the biggest problem with territorial control is in eve.
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Magnum VII
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Posted - 2005.09.01 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Slithereen
I find this interesting. To boldly go where no MMO has gone before.
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/gaming/news/article/6632.html
http://www.startrek.perpetual.com/
Star Trek makes an ok show but never made a good game IMO
And this MMORPG Star Trek style will have too many Star Trek guild lines ruining the creativity.
And only PvP in the holodeck? Paaaaalease, give me a brake.
Star Trek is too organized to be a fun game. All governments boring stuff IMO.
Star Trek has no corporations, pirates none of that type of stuff.
By the way EVE just became #2 placed on MMORPG.COM above WoW Wooo Hoooo!!!
But who in the Frel knows why Guild Wars is #1?
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2005.09.01 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: Magnum VII
Originally by: Slithereen
I find this interesting. To boldly go where no MMO has gone before.
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/gaming/news/article/6632.html
http://www.startrek.perpetual.com/
Star Trek makes an ok show but never made a good game IMO
And this MMORPG Star Trek style will have too many Star Trek guild lines ruining the creativity.
And only PvP in the holodeck? Paaaaalease, give me a brake.
Star Trek is too organized to be a fun game. All governments boring stuff IMO.
Star Trek has no corporations, pirates none of that type of stuff.
By the way EVE just became #2 placed on MMORPG.COM above WoW Wooo Hoooo!!!
But who in the Frel knows why Guild Wars is #1?
Online game without a monthly fee, think thats why most of its players bought it in the first place : it opens it up to a large market that wouldn't otherwise buy an MMO. . ----- Apologies for any rambling that may have just occurred.
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Kyozoku
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Posted - 2005.09.01 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic I have figured out that the ultimate mmo would be a cross between eve, ninja gaiden, and diablo.
Hell yes that would be awesome! The only problem is my ninja gaiden skills are supreme and I would slaughter so many people I would be the only player left after the first week.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.09.01 07:16:00 -
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needs as much TLC as eve gets. They need to base changes improvements etc based upon the ingame data feeds - CCP does this to very great effect.
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Felio
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Posted - 2005.09.01 08:56:00 -
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Edited by: Felio on 01/09/2005 08:56:43 The entire WoW world was designed to get you to 60(which is why most post 60 content are instances), once you're there its 5 hour instance runs or farming PvP honor points for 8 hours a day, nothing else. Casaul friendly effectively ends at level 60.
WoW is basicly an extremely dumbed down EQ with the warcraft theme, don't see how any MMO vet could stay interested for more than a few months. The world is also just so damn static, you could play for 10 years and all you would have to show for it is your uber gear, the entire game world would still be the same. I bought the collectors editon expecting alot from this game, played for 6 months(last 2 spent logging in for 5 minutes then getting bored and logging out) and I am very dissapointed in Blizzard.
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Eve Baenre
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Posted - 2005.09.01 09:33:00 -
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I think a lot of you are misunderstanding Blizzard's intentions with WoW. Their plan is not to let WoW be the end all milk cow for them till the end of times. It's an interim in the Warcraft saga until they decide to continue it.
Blizzard has invested a lot of story in the world of Azeroth, so you can't expect them to make it a free-for-all for Jack and Jill. I even find it amusing that you try to compare Eve and WoW together, as they are designed to target wholly different groups of people. You could just as well fight about whether PCs or Apple computers are better.
Each game(as well as system) is designed to satisfy the needs of target group, nothing else.
On the other hand, WoW made leaps in mmorpg design theory. It proved that you don't need to do these forever-grinds like in FFXI and EQ and that you can have a casual and friendly game and still be successful. Sure, at level 60 the game changes, but I think that is more of Blizzard's vain attempt at garnering the attention of the insane gamer who would play 12 hours a day.
So in short: Two completely different games that is impossible to compare.
... and about Guild Wars. Arenanet(developers of GW) have repeatedly said that GW is not a mmorpg, but a corpg like they termed it. Mmorpg description was something associated to GW through the media, rather than the developer himself, as GW isn't a mmorpg in any sense.
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Agama
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Posted - 2005.09.01 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Agama on 01/09/2005 10:25:51
Originally by: Magnum VII
By the way EVE just became #2 placed on MMORPG.COM above WoW Wooo Hoooo!!!
But who in the Frel knows why Guild Wars is #1?
I just did a quick review for both and when I did a refresh I noticed they swapped places. Huzzah.... I DID change something on the interweb. YAY ME !!! Yay for EVE.
Die WoW DIE !!!
Rant over.
It would be good if Eve did overtake Guild Wars though. Thant and getting a few more thousand players.
'Death solves all problems- no man, no problem' J.V. Stalin, 1918
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.09.01 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink My honeymoon came to an end with World of Borecraft maybe like 6-8 weeks after I started playing. I came to one crucial realization:
The first hour of gameplay was representative of the entire experience the game has to offer.
Pretty much the same. For some reason i was rather addicted to it. And then suddenly i thought, what on earth, this is really friggin boring. Back to EVE.
As a 'trying to be RP'er' in EVE, you really get to appreciate that EVE really supports that kind of play a hell of a lot better than WoW.
Eve is like this massive open arena, and Wow is like being on a train. Pretty train admitedly. -
Just a simple warrior.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2005.09.01 10:51:00 -
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Diablo success is something that completely baffled me...
Never did understand why people would love to play a game where you kill white skeleton to get rusty axe to kill 2 more white skeletons so you could advance to the next area where you could kill yellow skeletons to get magic axe and then go kill purple skeletons...... riiight.
Not only that but it's success forever tainted the RPG genre... turning it from RPG to Fake 3D Platform.
And then WoW, masters of pleasing the noob Blizzard made the perfect carebear game, no reward for dedication, no rewards for pvp, no loss, and many other noes. And now you see even more MMOG producers adopting the "NO LOSS" mentality....
Sometimes i wonder if Blizzard is really the company that made Starcraft....
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.09.01 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 01/09/2005 10:55:30
Originally by: Juan Andalusian Never did understand why people would love to play a game where you kill white skeleton to get rusty axe to kill 2 more white skeletons so you could advance to the next area where you could kill yellow skeletons to get magic axe and then go kill purple skeletons...... riiight.
don't forget the green skeleton-with-big-double-axe-that-spews-venom-from-his-mouth combo -------------------
Grimpak, all round nice guy |
Alerce
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Posted - 2005.09.01 10:59:00 -
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strong points of diablo: lots and lots of random loot with random stats and sometimes you get lucky with a real rare item.
Hey, eve has that as well, or had it, since ccp nerved it and lots of missions drop barely anything anymore. Bad move, people dont care if they get crap, but they want the chance to get something better and people love random loot. Its the same why the sealed cards games are sold so well, people keep buying new ones to get lucky and get a good card.
Wow is too easy, period, there is no challenge really, everything is placed in range level boxes, if you are few levels lower then a mob, you have basically no chance at all even with group, but in other games you still might be able to kill a monster then in a group by using good tactics. Communication between people in an area is barely non-existent, while on eve and in eq, you mostly have a lot of chatting going on.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.09.01 10:59:00 -
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i think the content element of eve is good but improvements could be made otherwise it pretty much wins hands down. I think with titans being able to carry and deploy other ships means that PVP in 0.0 will be a bit quicker and more intense.
But faster PVP for pirates - and others will come as we push towards 100,000 active accounts and 20-25,000 players online at the same time. That should make a more intenseive player base and more interaction.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2005.09.01 13:16:00 -
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Eve Baenre - "On the other hand, WoW made leaps in mmorpg design theory."
NO. No it didnt. Not at all.
All they did was take EQ/DAoC theory put it on hyper. They speeded up the pace. Made a more detailed world. Added the doo--dads MMO players had been asking for for years(like mail.)
The game does nothing new, Instead it just greatly improved the quality and fun of leveling 1-60. And of course at 60 it just runs out of game.
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2005.09.01 13:19:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 01/09/2005 13:23:24 To be fair, WoW has still the best high-level PvE content I've ever seen.
Problem with WoW is that even that gets boring and that there is not much left that interests me in WoW. I've participated in Molten Core runs 40 or 50 times, killed Onyxia right after each instance reset since months, killed Ragnaros a few times now and guess my guild will keep on killing him once a week now. My Warlock owns 13 epics or so. Not much left that I need.
And not much left that interests me. Yes, tomorrow my guild goes for Ragnaros again and I'll go there. This evening is also a MC run, but i'll stay in EVE, because I'm doing some stuff with my eve corp that is much more fun than bashing the mobs again that I've killed so many times already. More politics and more player generated content in EVE = more fun in the long term.
So my conclusion is: WoW has some nice endgame PvE content that needs organized teamplay and strategy, otherwise you loose. Great fun in the beginning, but doesn't last forever. Gets boring, too.
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Carvas
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Posted - 2005.09.01 13:34:00 -
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What, you don't have time to play both? My WoW account is going strong, love the end game PVE stuff, but unless you've 8 hours a day to dedicate to PVP forget about it, the ranking system is a pile of horse manure the size of an outpost. As for payment methods, WoW is actually easier to do than EVE. Why? Well WoW take switch (maestro) for those of us who don't like credit cards, and EVE is basically CC only (anyone managed to get the cards in the UK?). Both games have their high and low points, but personally i split my time between the two. For one i'm a warcraft junkie, played it from the first game all the way to frozen throne and love the background to the whole syste. No way i'm missing out on the next chapter in the story. Arthas is going down, and the Night elves? As corrupt as the rest of them.
Eve is a totally different animal though, you can't really sit it side by side with WoW and compare it note by note, its just not the same breed at all. Eve is much slower paced, and cerebral compared to the hack n slash that WoW offers. PVE content is an after-thought whereas with WoW its the main content (which is why theirs so many "OMG BORED" posts... just give them a chance to get northrend finished!). With Eve we have a chance to make our own story, from start to finish, whereas WoW exists in an already well established fiction that the designers have to keep in mind.
Basically: EVE is a free form RP game that focuses on player interaction. WoW is a story based Quest-a-thon that focuses on players living a preset story arc that picks up where frozen throne left off.
Moving from EVE to WoW and expecting it to push the same buttons for you is naive, and vice versa.
Still easier to pay for WoW than Eve, and as i don't have a CC and can't find the gamecards, CCP kinda made my decision for me
Either that or i nag a friend to lone me their card
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Lisa Run
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Posted - 2005.09.01 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Carvas
Still easier to pay for WoW than Eve, and as i don't have a CC and can't find the gamecards, CCP kinda made my decision for me
I use a german online shop that is specialized on gamecards. I hope for all the other players without credit card, that they have such a fast service, too.
On a sunday afternoon I decided to play EVE again, so I ordered two gamecard keys. I expected them to come two days later or so. But three hours later I got the keys already. Since I'm a trusted customer they always send the keys by email almost immediately and withdraw the money from my bank account later. Not the first time that they reacted so fast, but on a sunday was crazy. Great service :)
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Chochko
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Posted - 2005.09.01 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Chochko on 01/09/2005 15:21:08 I played WoW around 2 or 3 months, but game goes boring after the first.
Guild Wars i played from the beta and little after the release, but the game is even more boring than wow.
I was in the early beta of EvE, but after that i started Anarchy Online and UO, so this year i returned and the game looks ways better than other 2, so i`ll dedicate my gaming time to it.
P.P. Sorry my english is not so good as i want, but i hope you`ll understand what i mean. P.P.P to those who dont tryed Wow and GW - don`t waste your time this games is made for "casual players" (absolutly noobs), and pp l with little requirment in the RPG genre. ---------------------------------------- Ancient Japanese saying: The one who owns the minigun, fears not! |
Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.09.01 15:45:00 -
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Well I am EVE-addict I admit that, I have not played Wow and will never actually even try that, have seen friends play it and well it looks boring. Especially since the very first time I watched a friend play it he was kinda busy to show me how to emote farting and so on.. and ever since that have been my view of the game... childish!!! Ofcourse I know it is more to that game that just that but it still sticks as my first impression.
Now as to PvE content... I used to do missions alot before missilenerf (no I did not quit because of that) and yes even mission did became quite boring and repetative after a while.. not very hard either.
Okey so what is not so repeative with mining ?? well it is .. I know that but I am working towards a goal!!! and that gives me strength to actually sit hours after hours out in the belts mining.
As CEO that also gives me time to do corp things!!! hehe nice heh ? but still from time to time we do complexes searching for goodies (too bad they are so camped) and even low sec hunting for NPC (Officers) but for the last one it seems to be a drop in what loot it drops now... sort of boring I think.
But as for now... EVE is the king!!!! ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor. |
S31Apocalypse
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Posted - 2005.09.01 21:51:00 -
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eve just passed WOW :) sames score but EVE is on top..
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.01 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Magnum VII Star Trek makes an ok show but never made a good game IMO
Oh I don't know, Bridge Commander is an awful lot of fun at LAN parties. :) Nothing quite like blowing out your buddy's warp care with quantum torpedoes.
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Celes Tial
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Posted - 2005.09.01 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Celes Tial on 01/09/2005 22:07:11
Originally by: Chochko P.P.P to those who dont tryed Wow and GW - don`t waste your time this games is made for "casual players" (absolutly noobs), and pp l with little requirment in the RPG genre.
You, and anyone else I have seen bash GW so far, has not come up with one single realistic argument based on actual experience.
Fact is: The PvE in GW sucks. Very much. It is basically a 100 hour long tutorial to teach you how to use most of the 150 skills you have available to your two classes for PvP. Now PvP is where GW really shines, once you manage to actually (gasp) make friends and get past the hordes of immature wannabe expert players who spoil the game experience for anyone not in a good guild.
The 'cater to both roleplayers and PvPers' is nonsense. GW is not, and never will be, a long-term PvE game.
In a good guild, the PvP has a tactical depth that both WoW and a FPS could only dream of. It does, however, not affect the gameworld in any way. Its just for the fun of strategizing with good friends and climbing up the worldwide ladder.
One big plus: The only grinding you ever need to do to be able to compete with the upper tier of GW PvPers is 100 hours or less of PvE. No farming, no need to amass money or items. 2 weeks, and you are ready to compete with the best of the best. If you have a good guild.
Solo players might have a very hard time there.
That being said, I play Eve and GW, and love both about equally... for different reasons.
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S31Apocalypse
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Posted - 2005.09.01 22:09:00 -
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SFC 2 was great along with BC being ok.. STO will be a good game if they keep the same attitude they got now..
I hope they do well..
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.09.01 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Magnum VII Star Trek makes an ok show but never made a good game IMO
Oh I don't know, Bridge Commander is an awful lot of fun at LAN parties. :) Nothing quite like blowing out your buddy's warp care with quantum torpedoes.
Nothing beats Starfleet Command 3.
More tactical than Bridge Commander, and even had a multiverse multiplayer MMORPG-style option (which actually worked quite well).
The combat was amazing. -- Proud member of the [23].
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Olympa Matar
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Posted - 2005.09.01 22:29:00 -
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"Fanboys, were invented by the Americans"
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2005.09.01 22:46:00 -
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EvE forever.. Need I say more?
SoonÖ
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