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Dave Stark
2789
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Posted - 2013.04.23 20:54:00 -
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Markus Navarro wrote:You are STILL better off with a shield extender and 3 mining upgrades. Possiblyan EM rig, but nothing more.
better off without the shield extender or the rig, it's just extra isk on the killmail.
it's easier to just move 1 jump away than to sacrifice 30% mining yield fitting "tank" on a ship. that's just the situation and no amount of posting shitfits is going to change it *shrug* |
Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
27
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Posted - 2013.04.23 22:03:00 -
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Better that than barebone. The additional cost is minimal.
Edit : And what i meant is that the extra cost is IMO worth the chance of discouraging a ganker.Why attack one with some (minimal)tank if i'm not gonna get more loot, and there are 10 other without sitting next to it. I sell drones and drones accessories. |
Ersahi Kir
Infinite Mobility SpaceMonkey's Alliance
145
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Posted - 2013.04.24 09:45:00 -
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Debra Scully wrote:I'm still fairly noob so maybe I just don't get it, but why do so many of the OP's fits have EM shield mods/rigs? What ganker is using EM damage?
Before the blaster change the thrasher use to be the king of cheap ganks. Many gankers can fly both, and if you fly around with 0% em resist they can just switch to thrashers with emp ammo. |
Dave Stark
2810
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Posted - 2013.04.24 10:22:00 -
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Ersahi Kir wrote:Debra Scully wrote:I'm still fairly noob so maybe I just don't get it, but why do so many of the OP's fits have EM shield mods/rigs? What ganker is using EM damage? Before the blaster change the thrasher use to be the king of cheap ganks. Many gankers can fly both, and if you fly around with 0% em resist they can just switch to thrashers with emp ammo.
i keep a thrasher in my orca for this very reason. probability is that they're kin/therm tanked and i will waste a thrasher if you continually target my asteroids. |
Dav Varan
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
22
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Posted - 2013.04.24 10:33:00 -
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Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote: There are no incorrect fits for barges, only stronger and weaker. In the following thread you will see a great deal of barge suggestions, be aware that fitting items like survey scanners, mining laser upgrades, shield boosters (should be for null sec only), and drone augmentors, will greatly reduce vital defenses, and create chinks in your defenses that gankers will try to exploit once they have scanned you. Also, if you stack invulnerability shields, it has a nasty draw back. Better to use active shield hardeners.
All hardners stack, not just Invuln fields.
If you fit a active or passive EM hardner and a Invuln the EM portion of the invuln field protection will stack with the EM hardner.
You can not avoid stacking pens by using different mods. There is no drawback to using multiple invulns.
The only resist bonus that does not stack is the bonus from the damage control mod. |
Atahl
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.04.26 03:03:00 -
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Quote:He's gotta be trollin'.
No one can possibly be this dumb in real life.
I've listened to this guy/kid in his local system, and yes he pretty much is that dumb. ANYONE who fits their ships similar to how the OP posts is bound to fail, plain and simple. Why would you EVER put expensive meta 4/cosmos/T2 Rigs on a ship that can't take the gank fire from a single T1 fit Destroyer before Concord gets them is beyond me. Said dessy would cost maybe 3 mil and could EASILY destroy most of his 80-120 mil Barge fits.
Unless.... He is actually a ganker's alt who is posting this thread in order to mislead all the Eve noobs into believing he has the knowledge of an Eve god. Well, at least he has the ego of one, as most of his replies are "your stupid, that's expected" or "well it's either fit this way or die" kind of garbage. |
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
The Scope Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2013.04.27 14:19:00 -
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Bump.
Speaking of garbage, you can heap it on me all day long, and in every post you make, and i'll still walk out smelling like roses.
The fits work, plain and simple. They speak for themselves, and a great number of them can stop an upwards of 6 catalysts.
You won't provoke any response from me that will say otherwise. It's already been explained and it works, Period.
Your all welcome. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
463
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Posted - 2013.04.29 01:56:00 -
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I have come up with a powerful set of high-sec anti-gank fits for all types of barges:
Procurer: High Slots: * Strip Miner Mid Slots: * Asteroid Scanner * Capacitor Battery Low Slots: * Damage Control * Mining Laser Upgrades
Retriever: High Slots: * Strip Miners Mid Slots: * Asteroid Scanner Low Slots: * Damage Control * Mining Laser Upgrades
Covetor: High Slots: * Strip Miners Mid Slots: * Asteroid Scanner Low Slots: * Damage Control * Mining Laser Upgrades
Skiff: High Slots: * Strip Miner Mid Slots: * Asteroid Scanner * Capacitor Battery Low Slots: * Damage Control * Mining Laser Upgrades
Mackinaw: High Slots: * Strip Miner Mid Slots: * Asteroid Scanner * Capacitor Battery Low Slots: * Damage Control * Mining Laser Upgrades
Hulk: High Slots: * Strip Miner Mid Slots: * Asteroid Scanner * Capacitor Battery Low Slots: * Damage Control * Mining Laser Upgrades Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Mahuika
AIR WATER Mors ex Elementis
4
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Posted - 2013.04.29 05:28:00 -
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Quote:The expensive end of barges is there as an option because most of them can handle 6 T2 catalysts themselves, or more, especially Mackinaws which have much higher defensive capability then Hulks.
Wait what? Did you actually just say the Mack can tank 6 T2 Catys? Even with T2 Rigs and every single slot low/high for tank + 6% Imps + 100% fully T2 bonus for Shield Harmonizing gang link WITH the slot 10 Siege Imp you still can't even get to 50K EHP, which can be ganked by (2-3) T2 Catys with time to play a game of cards before Concord shows up. |
Eowyth
Obumbrata Ltd
3
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Posted - 2013.04.29 05:34:00 -
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I would suggest that CCP lock this horrible troll thread but it's actually kind of amusing seeing how the OP tries to come up with responses to the valid points pretty much every single person has made. More to point he DOESN'T come up with anything just shrugs it off and keeps spewing fail. |
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Atahl
Hedion University Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.04.30 05:27:00 -
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Quote:Wait what? Did you actually just say the Mack can tank 6 T2 Catys? Even with T2 Rigs and every single slot low/high for tank + 6% Imps + 100% fully T2 bonus for Shield Harmonizing gang link WITH the slot 10 Siege Imp you still can't even get to 50K EHP, which can be ganked by (2-3) T2 Catys with time to play a game of cards before Concord shows up.
Silly noob mistake. See you forgot the Leviathon bonus and a full set of HG Slaves. With all that the Mack gets an impressive (sarcasm) 68.6K EHP!! That would then tank 3-4 whole T2 Destroyers depending on Concords response time. This is ofc when you figure out how to get a Titan into Highsec to boost for you, but I'm sure the OP has a way for that too, since we're all imbeciles compared to him. |
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
The Scope Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2013.04.30 23:13:00 -
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Bump. |
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
The Scope Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:47:00 -
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Bumpity bump bump. Bump in the night. |
Mara Villoso
Big Box
105
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:44:00 -
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Pretty sure random bumping is discouraged |
Datarlon
Sparkle Pony Inc Twilight Military Industrial Complex Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.06.21 21:28:00 -
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I'd be less bothered by Grand Admiral Hoo-Ha's bad fits if he would stop spamming the link to this thread in Hek local. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
321
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Posted - 2013.06.21 21:43:00 -
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Posts have been removed.
14. Bumping outside the EVE Marketplace and Alliance & Corporation Recruitment channels is prohibited.
The bumping of posts to alter the order of the thread listing on a forum is prohibited outside the EVE Marketplace and Alliance & Corporation Recruitment forum channels. Within the EVE Marketplace section of the forums, each forum category has its own rules regarding acceptable bumping for sales threads clearly listed in the stickies.
Similarly the Alliance & Corporation Recruitment channel also has its own rules. Please be aware that the rules vary from forum to forum. Please review the sticky threads in these forum channels for specific details.
ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
50
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:22:00 -
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Nooooooooooooooooooo
It was 2 months since i saw this, i tought we had gotten rid of this unproductive discussion :S I sell drones and drones accessories. |
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
The Scope Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2013.06.22 21:52:00 -
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Quote:Nooooooooooooooooooo
LoL. |
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
The Scope Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2013.06.26 03:52:00 -
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Mackinaw - Brick House.
EHP: 30,590 Shields: 7,020 Armor: 2760 Hull: 5,062 Shield Resistances: 52/72/82/76 Armor Resistances: 66/45/37/24 Hull Resistances: 60/60/60/60
High Power 2x Ice harvesters
Medium Power 1x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 1x Basic/Supplemental Thermic Dissipation Amplifier 1x Medium 'Canyon' Shield Extender 1x Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I
Low Power 2x Reinforced Bulkheads 1x Damage Control II
Rig Slot 2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I/II
In addition to its staggering shields, its hull is reinforced. Coupled together and with high resistances on both, this barge is unbustable by conventional means and will take 9 to 10 T2 catalysts to bring it down. Worth every penny, this barge should be considered a permanent investment. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
571
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:46:00 -
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Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:EHP: 30,590 It has over 32,000 EHP in shields alone against hybrids. Its weakness is EM damage. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. |
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Amyclas Amatin
New Order Inspectorate for Mining Permits
125
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Posted - 2013.06.28 07:26:00 -
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Confirming that many TEST boys and Belligerent Undesirables Merc boys prefer thrashers.
Also confirming that The New Order reimburses catalysts and fittings for any ganker from any alliance that ganks in its name. If it's a choice between a t2 cat and a meta cat, take the t2 cat and send James 315 the bill.
and it does not take 10 t2 cats to bust down a 30k ehp mack in Otella. More like 3-4, less with meta cat support.
That being said, some of our FCs like to target tanked ships just to make a statement. Permit tank is your best tank. 10 million isk per year for a mining permit is much cheaper than losing your mining ship. Please help me with my survey on high-sec aggression: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1dLcM27c_qDyOIxFgE4Zan_T8j_eZDDeCUAEL4lwXGC8/viewform |
Sasha Rama
Viziam Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.06.29 12:31:00 -
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"and it does not take 10 t2 cats to bust down a 30k ehp mack in Otella."
I've tried this, yes it does.
High resistances really do make all the difference. It's amazing. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
573
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Posted - 2013.06.29 20:21:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:That being said, some of our FCs like to target tanked ships just to make a statement. Permit tank is your best tank. 10 million isk per year for a mining permit is much cheaper than losing your mining ship. What is in place to prevent ganks on those who have paid? Are there warnings or patrols to guard them? Is action taken against those who attack permit holders? Do they get their barges reimbursed or have any insurance on them? Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
90
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Posted - 2013.06.29 21:51:00 -
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Wrecking shots.
Reasons-to-only-High-sec-AFK-mine-in-crap-fit-Retrievers-and-alpha-clone-alts: The Thread. |
Amyclas Amatin
New Order Inspectorate for Mining Permits
127
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Posted - 2013.06.29 23:42:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:That being said, some of our FCs like to target tanked ships just to make a statement. Permit tank is your best tank. 10 million isk per year for a mining permit is much cheaper than losing your mining ship. What is in place to prevent ganks on those who have paid? Are there warnings or patrols to guard them? Is action taken against those who attack permit holders? Do they get their barges reimbursed or have any insurance on them? Sasha Rama wrote:"and it does not take 10 t2 cats to bust down a 30k ehp mack in Otella."
I've tried this, yes it does.
High resistances really do make all the difference. It's amazing. Every time I have shot a ship in a suicide gank or seen someone else do it, the ship died much faster and more easily than EFT says it should have, but they were probably poorly tanked. Though there seems to be something more to it because when I tank my industrials well and have people try shooting at them, they usually go down significantly faster than they "should".
Please help me with my survey on high-sec aggression: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1dLcM27c_qDyOIxFgE4Zan_T8j_eZDDeCUAEL4lwXGC8/viewform |
Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
54
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Posted - 2013.06.30 04:35:00 -
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The good question to ask is : Should I give protection money to the Catalan mafia when there are 50 other mafia and thousands of other shady personnages that won't give a damn or would like to blow me up to make a statement ?
The answer is pretty obvious. They like beating their chest, but they are still a minuscule in the grand scheme of things.
I sell drones and drones accessories. |
Amyclas Amatin
New Order Inspectorate for Mining Permits
127
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Posted - 2013.06.30 05:36:00 -
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Markus Navarro wrote:The good question to ask is : Should I give protection money to the Catalan mafia when there are 50 other mafia and thousands of other shady personnages that won't give a damn or would like to blow me up to make a statement ?
The answer is pretty obvious. They like beating their chest, but they are still a minuscule in the grand scheme of things.
With the recent nerfs to ganking and buffs to mining ships, it is very difficult for ganking to be sustainable, let alone profitable. The New Order is the only organisation that covers all costs incurred by the ganker. Random pirates might blow miners up once in a while for giggles, but the New Order is the only organisation that conducts sustained ganking campaigns with no regards for profitability. It doesn't matter how shiny or cheap your mining ship is, or what it drops, - because my catalysts are FREE.
With ganking made unprofitable, you now no longer have to deal with pirates motivated by greed. You are dealing with community-sponsored fanatics.
Outside of hauler and freighter ganking, we are probably responsible for more high-sec ganks than anyone else. Please help me with my survey on high-sec aggression:https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1dLcM27c_qDyOIxFgE4Zan_T8j_eZDDeCUAEL4lwXGC8/viewformFor more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit:-áhttp://www.minerbumping.com/ |
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.06.30 10:14:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Orcas can die to 6 cats and a couple of brutixes in 0.5 systems.
Not possible if Orca is tanked. |
Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
54
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Posted - 2013.06.30 21:09:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Markus Navarro wrote:The good question to ask is : Should I give protection money to the Catalan mafia when there are 50 other mafia and thousands of other shady personnages that won't give a damn or would like to blow me up to make a statement ?
The answer is pretty obvious. They like beating their chest, but they are still a minuscule in the grand scheme of things.
With the recent nerfs to ganking and buffs to mining ships, it is very difficult for ganking to be sustainable, let alone profitable. The New Order is the only organisation that covers all costs incurred by the ganker. Random pirates might blow miners up once in a while for giggles, but the New Order is the only organisation that conducts sustained ganking campaigns with no regards for profitability. It doesn't matter how shiny or cheap your mining ship is, or what it drops, - because my catalysts are FREE. With ganking made unprofitable, you now no longer have to deal with pirates motivated by greed. You are dealing with community-sponsored fanatics. Outside of hauler and freighter ganking, we are probably responsible for more high-sec ganks than anyone else.
Or, you are dealing with pirates. Which are not all motivated by money, as you seem to imply. Some people like to blow stuff up, and 5 mill for a fit is hardly a big expenditure for that (but that does not fit your little narrative, so no that you would conveniently forget to mention it)
It's okay, i know that you want to hype your role in your little racket, it's all fine and everything, but at least try to be coherent.
''We won't blow you up personally but you will still get blown up by any pirates running around'' is much more like it. Then again, for talking with Jamey often when he came to Osmon i'm not surprised that inflated ego's flock to the man. I sell drones and drones accessories. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2227
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Posted - 2013.07.01 20:07:00 -
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I thought this thread was dead.....
This is still probably the most balanced mac fit.... Not blingy, has a roid scanner (which is important when fighting over roids), and has enough EHP that gankers will generally target the untanked mack next to you:
[Mackinaw, Ice Miner] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Ice Harvester Upgrade II Damage Control II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I 'Dactyl' Type-E Asteroid Analyzer
Ice Harvester II Ice Harvester II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Mining Drone I x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
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