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Norm Tempesta
The Konvergent League Sev3rance
26
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Posted - 2013.03.21 12:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Norm Tempesta wrote:There are many pilots around who are out there just to get that kill, whatever it may be. What their reasons are for wanting to kill me whatever I may be flying don't amount to anything. The fact that they will kill me if they can does. This holds true in lowsec, nullsec, even highsec.
If you need a reason for them to kill you, just pick one of many that have already been listed. The main reason is because killing other players in ships is what they do...............understand that and learn to be prepared for it, or..........be the sacrificial lamb and enjoy it. Why did I read that in malcolm reynolds voice?
Haha, sorry, he would have to put a lot of bass in his voice and get a Texas accent to get my voice down right. |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2013.03.21 14:16:00 -
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Norm Tempesta wrote:What their reasons are for wanting to kill me whatever I may be flying don't amount to anything.
That's just dead wrong. Knowing WHY they want to kill you gives you a starting point for self-defense. In fact, just knowing THAT they want to kill you can be the difference between survival and destruction. Not everyone plays EVE as Call Of Duty In Space, and knowing the likely motives of any given player will give you an immense advantage over that player when contacting (or avoiding contacting) them.
Understanding motives is the point of this thread. |
General Storm Liberty
Liberty Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:21:00 -
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This whole thread has been very informative.
I'm relatively new and i was wondering the exact same things as the OP.
For example, i would go to low sec and run around asteroid belts to rat, then all of the sudden.. Whack! I would think "why did this dude in some way bigger and better stuff come along and blow my nice little kestrel up?"
Now i know.
There is nothing to be gained by not trying to kill the other dude.
But, Is there anything to lose by trying to kill the other dude? beyond ships of course?
Sec status i guess? is that it?
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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
366
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:33:00 -
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General Storm Liberty wrote: There is nothing to be gained by not trying to kill the other dude. But, Is there anything to lose by trying to kill the other dude? beyond ships of course? Sec status i guess? is that it?
Well in the short term, there's the 60 second weapons timer that stops them docking or jumping to another system. Then the 15 minute criminal flag which um, does something or other. There's the sec status loss, but some people wear that with pride. Others will need to spend time grinding it back up shooting red boxes(boo!) There's the risk that you might vow revenge and come try to kill them, or pay someone else to do it. But pirates usually don't mind people coming to fight them, in my limited experience. If they wanted to just shoot people who don't shoot back, they'd do indy corp awoxing, suicide ganking or lolwardecs. |
Ai Shun
915
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:16:00 -
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Asmodai Xodai wrote:No, I claimed it was my definition of a relevant point for the purposes of this discussion. Since I did this specifically to avoid posts like yours, I obviously failed.
At which point why are you even bothering to have a discussion? You've placed the primary motivation for playing a video game outside of the reasons for playing a video game that revolves around PVP. If all you're after is an echo chamber, you could get that in your bathroom talking to yourself in the mirror. Malcanis for CSM7 - here Malcanis on High-sec - here |
Ai Shun
915
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:19:00 -
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Theron Vetrus wrote:Think about that for a moment. A bunch of traders who don't engage in PvP, and some don't even undock, are supplying another player with ships and equipment to blow up other ships for the sole purpose of earning a profit. To me, that "seemingly mindless PvP" is a prime example of what EVE Online is really all about.
Brilliant. That is such a good example of what makes EVE so awesome. Malcanis for CSM7 - here Malcanis on High-sec - here |
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
707
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:21:00 -
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Uhh... Ammunition is cheap and explosions are pretty? ...It was there?? ...What am I gonna do, NOT shoot you??? It's not like it takes a whole lot of motivation to [ctrl+click, F1] Jesus... |
Whitethorn Reyhold
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:29:00 -
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I have the simple answer to the OP question. If 1 player can think he is winning because he has the most isk, another player can think he is winning because he has the most kills. The game is just like that. |
General Storm Liberty
Liberty Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:55:00 -
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Whitethorn Reyhold wrote:I have the simple answer to the OP question. If 1 player can think he is winning because he has the most isk, another player can think he is winning because he has the most kills. The game is just like that.
well, this means i'm definitely not winning Eve. :( |
Remiel Pollard
Intergalactic Trade and Harm
1436
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Posted - 2013.03.22 09:24:00 -
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General Storm Liberty wrote:Whitethorn Reyhold wrote:I have the simple answer to the OP question. If 1 player can think he is winning because he has the most isk, another player can think he is winning because he has the most kills. The game is just like that. well, this means i'm definitely not winning Eve. :(
You don't win EVE.
EVE wins you. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
220
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:09:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:How about - all noobships are cynos.
Even if they are not cynos, they are not us.
Shoot it. NBSI is the whole rule of the law.
NBSI is for cowardly, war mongering, savages who deep down in the places that they dare not look at are really just bears in space.
*For those who may be new to Eve NBSI is "Not Blue Shoot It". So anyone not in your alliance or on your alliances blue list gets shot. This policy is common in null-sec, it is contrasted by NRDS or "Not Red Don't Shoot" which is practiced by non null-bear alliances.
We are made sharp by the whetstone of purity and truth that is the Empire, all due praises to her Majesty Lord of the host. The alternative to reclamation is to fall as wheat before the scythe. Amarr Victor!
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
220
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:38:00 -
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Asmodai Xodai,
After some months here, and 50 or 100 losses, you will find yourself sitting at a gate. Chatting with friends or going over market orders. Knowing how to fly and understanding Eve you will be safe there. If someone shows up you will see their bright background on your OV, or you will hear the gate activate. No rush, the people in local are all familiar to you if not allies, but certainly not scouts. So if someone engages you will jump through the gate to safety and probably warp off.
one day while you are there another player will land on grid and pause for a few seconds. This player will be a war target or have a flag for some other reason. You will lock that ship up because after playing for a while that becomes instinct. When that happens you will think back to all the ships you lost; and how interesting it was learning the how's and the why's, how exhilarating it was, and still is, when you escape by the hair of your teeth. You will remember all the people who ever shot at you, and you will probably smile as it becomes crystal clear why Eve is the greatest MMO ever.
All this will happen in a split second. And all the while your index finger will hover over the F1 key. You may or may not press it, I've seen players go either way, both options are good. Regardless of your choice when that day comes you will have an answer to your question.
In the mean time, welcome to New Eden.
FS We are made sharp by the whetstone of purity and truth that is the Empire, all due praises to her Majesty Lord of the host. The alternative to reclamation is to fall as wheat before the scythe. Amarr Victor!
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Theirin Dobex
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:43:00 -
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Asmodai Xodai wrote:[quote=Slymah] I'll be a rational cat one day in the future - attacking mice or birds for a rational game reason. I won't do it just to do it - I would consider it a waste of my time.
Goodness, you're just a self-righteous delight, aren't you?
If you can't understand fun, then try to understand strategy. I've been playing for less than a week and even I can grasp that if a group wants to hold onto their section of low-sec, then it's advantageous to them to prevent what might be a scout ship entry to their location. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
751
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Posted - 2013.05.10 07:45:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:UGH social Darwinism is pernicious and wrong. First couple pages of this thread were uglier than usual.
Bosena, Qualm Singulari sniping indies and everything in Amarr battleships. I fly me reaper out to loot wrecks, just to be a ****. POW now i'm in Heild, jump or so away where i have me clone. Charge in reaper! POW WaaaaAAARRgggHH POW Hey you guise wats goin POW
Eventually there was this cloud of my corpses and wrecks. One guy asked if he got loyalty points podding me and i'm like SURE WHY NOT KNOCK YOURSELF OUT. POW Yargh my anus! POW Think of the children POW Wait don't shoot POW
They all docked up. I came back in a wreathe and made 7 trips moving all the loot they left. It really is no fun when the victim is having fun with it. Spaec adventure gaem allows you to entirely embrace the punk rock concept of accepting the terms of your enemy's attack and even siding with your enemy in that attack.
The egotists in eve are the cruellest and at the same time the most susceptible to suffering, funny how that works. TLDR for the livestock: Flexibility allows speed
/Thread.
Best. Post. Ever.
Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
whispous
Neckbeards International
18
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Posted - 2013.05.10 07:50:00 -
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Ill stop mashing noobs skillessly when noobs stop carrying plexes in ibises |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
415
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Posted - 2013.05.10 08:00:00 -
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From my experience, there are a number of reasons for random PvP:
1 - The chance of epic loots. Who knows what tasty stuff you're carrying. I've seen examples of insane drops from something as worthless as a shuttle.
2 - Killboards. Some people live and die for their killboards. Though obviously impressive kills are more desirable, freaking everyone wants that carrier killmail, many settle for just about anything that explodes.
3 - Tear extraction. I feel you likely fall under this category, OP. They want nothing more than to bask in the misery and shower in the tears of their victims.
Of course, there are seperate reasons, such as highsec warfare, often caused by a percieved insult or "something". And nullsec PvP can be justified by them "protecting their space". Though ultimately, i think that the main reason is that PvP is one of the core elements of EvE, and its just fun to blow **** up! Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
24
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Posted - 2013.05.10 08:34:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote: 3 - Tear extraction. I feel you likely fall under this category, OP. They want nothing more than to bask in the misery and shower in the tears of their victims.
But can you ever really trust the tears of a man that hides his face behind a hood? |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1288
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Posted - 2013.05.10 10:42:00 -
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Asmodai Xodai wrote:Obligatory disclaimers to address the ever-present trolls:
1) Yes, you can find a recent kill on the killboards of a noobship impairor, which happened in a 0.4 sec system.
2) No, that incident isn't what "caused" this post. This kind of thing has been going on ever since I first started the game over a month ago. It is just the latest thing to make me chuckle, shake my head, and question exactly what is going on.
3) No, I have half a billion in funds right at the moment, so I could care less about the loss of the free noobship, nor the loss of the half-a-mil venture I lost right before it, nor the loss of another venture before that one, nor... (blah blah).
4) No, these aren't "carebear tears" or "noobtears" or blah blah, but if you like to "feast" on such things, and you want to imagine that they are, knock yourself out, and more power to you.
5) No, I don't want anything changed about the game.
6) No, I don't want this, or other practices banned.
7) Yes, I understand that PvP can occur anytime in this game, and that you are never "truly safe," least of all in low-sec or null sec or whatever.
So, is there some relevant point I'm missing to what I will call "seemingly mindless PvP?" I'm asking because I truly don't know the answer (in other words, maybe there is a relevant point and I just don't know what it is).
Definition of terms:
RELEVANT POINT - Something that serves a strategic, tactical, or economic gaming purpose (procurement of resources; acquiring a strategic, tactical, or economic advantage; denial of such things to a rival; etc). Examples: 1) Piracy where you actually take somebody's stuff. 2) Killing mining (or other) ships in a system claimed by a corporation you work for (i.e. defending assets). 3) Hell, even honing your skills by taking on a ship that might offer some sort of challenge to you.
SEEMINGLY MINDLESS PVP - PvP which seems to have no relevant point (see above). Examples: 1) Attacking and blowing up noobships with ships that are ridiculously overpowered compared to noobships when there is absolutely nothing to gain economically, militarily, strategically, tactically, or otherwise.
Anyway, as far as I know, you don't earn "experience points" in this game by killing stuff, do you? And in the examples I am referring to, there is no piracy happening (stuff isn't taken from the victim - in fact there isn't any stuff to take). There are no assets being defended by the perpetrator because the perpetrator is never in a corp which owns the system in question (in fact, as far as I know 0.4 sec can't be owned by player corps), and the perpetrator seems to be operating as a "lone wolf."
At any rate, anytime - I repeat anytime - I venture into a system with less than 0.5 security, I get killed by what I have termed "seemingly mindless PvP," meaning I can see no relevant point to being aggressed. It always occurs in the exact same fashion, with the exact same hallmarks:
1) Perpetrator's ship is hilariously overpowered compared to mine - Drakes, Tengus, etc. vs. noobships.
2) Perpetrator's ship is always cloaked.
3) Perpetrator always uses some kind of hilariously overpowered missle or torpedo or bomb which essentially one-shots my noobship.
4) Perpetrator always takes huge delight in "winning" this engagement, and really seems to "get off" on it. Perpetrator seems to believe he's made some sort of huge accomplishment.
Usually I'm messaged by the perpetrator. The conversation always goes the same. This was the conversation from a recent engagement:
EDIT: Chat logs may not be posted except in certain forums. General discussion is not one of them. Therefore the chat has been deleted - ISD Tyrozan
Believe it or not, I actually did start working on creating as many noobships as I could, for the express purpose of towing them over to this guy in my industrial ship, and hopping in them one by one so he could kill them all. However, midway through the process I had to stop playing the game to address a real life concern.
I used to go into these lower-sec systems simply to explore my way around the game (I'm merely talking 0.4 systems, not 0 secs or negative secs). After all, all I ever read on the forums is put-downs of so-called "carebears," high-sec'ers, people who live in high-sec or don't venture into low sec, etc. But nowadays, I simply venture to these places once in a while to count down how long it takes to be killed in the exact same fashion as mentioned above (usually less than 2 minutes).
Oh, these events happen in different systems, not the same system. And the perpetrators are different, not the same.
To reiterate the question before concluding this post, is there any relevant point that I am missing? I understand there could be "irrelevant points" - getting off on blowing something to smithereens which poses no challenge or threat to you whatsoever, bullying, etc. (like beating up a cripple).
god damn that's a shitload of tears.
and I honestly don't understand what you're missing, it's simple: Blowing up ships is fun. Killing other players in vidya games is fun.
That's it.
Really.
The point to anything in EVE is just doing something you enjoy (or doing things you dont enjoy to better enable you to do things you do enjoy later...) |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2527
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Posted - 2013.05.10 11:12:00 -
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Don't you understand how hilarious it is to watch someone rage over lost pixels??
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?? |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
58
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Posted - 2013.05.10 11:18:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:If a corp can control traffic through a system by means of violence then it's their system until someone can kick them out, despite the game mechanics not being there to legitimise their claim, it happens in highsec, lowsec and NPC nullsec.
Does this make Jita a goon system twice a year? ;-) Remove insurance. |
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Nyla Skin
Maximum fun chamber
248
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Posted - 2013.05.10 11:20:00 -
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Relevant points are not found by posting on these forums. |
dethleffs
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
186
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Posted - 2013.05.10 11:24:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:UGH social Darwinism is pernicious and wrong. First couple pages of this thread were uglier than usual.
Bosena, Qualm Singulari sniping indies and everything in Amarr battleships. I fly me reaper out to loot wrecks, just to be a ****. POW now i'm in Heild, jump or so away where i have me clone. Charge in reaper! POW WaaaaAAARRgggHH POW Hey you guise wats goin POW
Eventually there was this cloud of my corpses and wrecks. One guy asked if he got loyalty points podding me and i'm like SURE WHY NOT KNOCK YOURSELF OUT. POW Yargh my anus! POW Think of the children POW Wait don't shoot POW
They all docked up. I came back in a wreathe and made 7 trips moving all the loot they left. It really is no fun when the victim is having fun with it. Spaec adventure gaem allows you to entirely embrace the punk rock concept of accepting the terms of your enemy's attack and even siding with your enemy in that attack.
The egotists in eve are the cruellest and at the same time the most susceptible to suffering, funny how that works. TLDR for the livestock: Flexibility allows speed
wow. Can I have yer baybees?
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Prince Kobol
731
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Posted - 2013.05.10 11:27:00 -
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hehe.. poor little null bear crying over losing ships on GD |
Karig'Ano Keikira
Tax Cheaters
48
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Posted - 2013.05.10 11:35:00 -
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slightly off topic: are there any NRDS alliances in EVE these days? |
Seven Koskanaiken
Nothing Is True Everything Is Permitted
156
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Posted - 2013.05.10 11:36:00 -
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Cel Nobol wrote:We pvp, because we can.
EvE's slogan should be EvE: Online - Because we can
If you want a point, kill your target, take their stuff.
EvE is a sandbox game, a big game that has spaceships with guns on them.
There you go.
You should tell this to some of the "if you see our guys use ECM contact a diplo" corps, like WTF is that about
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
438
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Posted - 2013.05.10 11:37:00 -
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Karig'Ano Keikira wrote:slightly off topic: are there any NRDS alliances in EVE these days?
Yes of course. NRDS is the best way to play the game. All the alliances are discussing going this route, all you loose is the whiny nullbears and the elitists. However as far as I know we are all still in Providence. http://providenceregion.blogspot.com/ -áImmersion = gameplayer self worth? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsEPP3YQcxQ |
Praethus Tirdran
RenMax Deepspace Initiative
3
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Posted - 2013.05.10 11:55:00 -
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I'm asking what's the point to doing such a thing where there is no benefit.[/quote]
Simply, because they can. There is no deeper meaning. No goal. Irrational behavior is irrational and cannot be rationalized. So its better for you to not ask for a rationalization, as there none to give that you will find satisfactory.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1775
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Posted - 2013.05.10 12:27:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:
god damn that's a shitload of tears.
and I honestly don't understand what you're missing, it's simple: Blowing up ships is fun. Killing other players in vidya games is fun.
That's it.
Really.
The point to anything in EVE is just doing something you enjoy (or doing things you don't enjoy to better enable you to do things you do enjoy later...)
You can tell the guy that all day, but on some level he's really incapable of internalizing any kind of position that he himself wouldn't hold. You can see that in his other thread on the exact same topic (he keeps trying to fit his values into the situation asking "what I am missing" when what he's missing is his own mental infirmity lol).
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3581
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Posted - 2013.05.11 02:41:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Don't you understand how hilarious it is to watch someone rage over lost pixels??
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?? Yeah, I am definitely entertained. I am a nullsec zealot. |
OfBalance
Caldari State
462
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Posted - 2013.05.11 02:44:00 -
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Late to another gem of a Gents thread.
Damn |
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