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Whitehound
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Posted - 2013.03.11 09:44:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:When I started playing EVE, ... And yet you managed to somehow decide for yourself, and skill after skill, what you want to train as next.
It is quite remarkable that after all this time you see no value in this. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8077
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Posted - 2013.03.11 09:45:00 -
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Better to be a parrot than a whining baby. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.03.11 09:46:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:I dunno.... saying "CCP parrot" just sounds like a butthurt way of saying RubyPorto is "quoting the primary authoritative source of the issue". So every time you call him a parrot, all you're really doing is acknowledging that he's right in a vindictive way.
Except Ruby is incorrect as he seems to misconstrue CCPs statement and believes that he was saying exactly the same thing as CCP all along.
CCP quite clearly state that it is a valid concern being expressed, there is little ambiguity regarding that. The fact also that half an hour was spent writing a statement, and also this issue was discussed with other CCP members, indicates also that it is a valid concern that CCP aren't simply brushing off without realising some of the implications and concerns.
Rubyporto does not believe it is a valid concern as he has clearly expressed in this thread along with others. And so he is parroting CCP as whitehound suggests, although incorrectly by twisting CCPs words to suit his own agenda and trying to imply that he and CCP are saying exactly the same thing.
So in essence, CCP thinks that this is a legitimate concern, enough to write a comprehensive response. If you disagree with CCP on that then fair enough. But its quite amusing to see the trolls suddenly change their tune and leap onto CCP statement prostrating in agreement with their words. :) |
Whitehound
1182
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Posted - 2013.03.11 09:48:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:If a million people claim that 2+2=5 and a trained parrot has been taught to say 2+2=4, then a million people aren't right because there's a million of them, they're just dumber than a trained parrot. You are indeed a fool, because two plus two equals four by definition - a definition made by mathematicians and agreed upon by millions of other mathematicians.
GTFO, Malcanis. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Whitehound
1182
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Posted - 2013.03.11 09:49:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Better to be a parrot than a whining baby. Oh the irony.
GET OUT!! Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Remiel Pollard
Intergalactic Trade and Harm
1389
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Posted - 2013.03.11 09:49:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I dunno.... saying "CCP parrot" just sounds like a butthurt way of saying RubyPorto is "quoting the primary authoritative source of the issue". So every time you call him a parrot, all you're really doing is acknowledging that he's right in a vindictive way. We, the players, are the "primary authoritative source" here. It is fine that when you cannot decide for yourself to allow others to make decisions for you, but it is just patronizing for those who can make their own decisions. We players decide from the first day we started playing EVE what skills we find useful. I see no reason why this should be taken away from us now.
So unsub and quit, that would be entirely your choice. There are plenty of games I don't like and don't play, but at the end of the day the devs still make the final decisions. Sure, the players should certainly be listened to, but if they left it up to the players, there would be little to no cohesion or consistency in development. Now, we can have a mature discussion, or we can accuse each other of patronisation and lack of personal attorney, but that seems tremendously redundant and the fact is, as long as a skill is useful for something, it's useful. Even if it's something you don't use it for, that's entirely beside the point. The milk analogy is perfect, but I've got a simpler one.
If you can't handle the heat, get outta the kitchen. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Whitehound
1182
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Posted - 2013.03.11 09:51:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:So unsub and quit, that would be entirely your choice. There are plenty of games I don't like and don't play, but at the end of the day the devs still make the final decisions. Sure, the players should certainly be listened to, but if they left it up to the players, there would be little to no cohesion or consistency in development. Now, we can have a mature discussion, or we can accuse each other of patronisation and lack of personal attorney, but that seems tremendously redundant and the fact is, as long as a skill is useful for something, it's useful. Even if it's something you don't use it for, that's entirely beside the point. The milk analogy is perfect, but I've got a simpler one.
If you can't handle the heat, get outta the kitchen. 0/10 Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
469
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Posted - 2013.03.11 09:52:00 -
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I'd like a reimbursement for all my science and industry skills but that's because I came to the conclusion that it's just boring, sadly this was only after 4.5mil in both.
As for ship skills, the more skills you have the better, so, erm... hush now child. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2867
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Posted - 2013.03.11 09:55:00 -
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You guys are worse than politicians. |
Remiel Pollard
Intergalactic Trade and Harm
1389
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Posted - 2013.03.11 09:56:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:So unsub and quit, that would be entirely your choice. There are plenty of games I don't like and don't play, but at the end of the day the devs still make the final decisions. Sure, the players should certainly be listened to, but if they left it up to the players, there would be little to no cohesion or consistency in development. Now, we can have a mature discussion, or we can accuse each other of patronisation and lack of personal attorney, but that seems tremendously redundant and the fact is, as long as a skill is useful for something, it's useful. Even if it's something you don't use it for, that's entirely beside the point. The milk analogy is perfect, but I've got a simpler one.
If you can't handle the heat, get outta the kitchen. 0/10
Still a better rating than you're getting You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.03.11 09:57:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Whitehound wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I dunno.... saying "CCP parrot" just sounds like a butthurt way of saying RubyPorto is "quoting the primary authoritative source of the issue". So every time you call him a parrot, all you're really doing is acknowledging that he's right in a vindictive way. We, the players, are the "primary authoritative source" here. It is fine that when you cannot decide for yourself to allow others to make decisions for you, but it is just patronizing for those who can make their own decisions. We players decide from the first day we started playing EVE what skills we find useful. I see no reason why this should be taken away from us now. So unsub and quit, that would be entirely your choice. There are plenty of games I don't like and don't play, but at the end of the day the devs still make the final decisions. Sure, the players should certainly be listened to, but if they left it up to the players, there would be little to no cohesion or consistency in development. Now, we can have a mature discussion, or we can accuse each other of patronisation and lack of personal attorney, but that seems tremendously redundant and the fact is, as long as a skill is useful for something, it's useful. Even if it's something you don't use it for, that's entirely beside the point. The milk analogy is perfect, but I've got a simpler one. If you can't handle the heat, get outta the kitchen.
As stated above, and also as you stated in your post here, this is CCPs game, and CCP think that this was a legitimate concern.
Also it is quite ironic that the trolls are calling people whining babies. Nearly all the people who have bought this up have done so in a respectable and rational way, I haven't seen any whining or throwing toys out of the pram from the people trying to discuss the issue.
On the other hand the trolls have been whining non stop and throwing all their toys out their pram at the thought of the idea to reimburse SP. |
Whitehound
1182
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Posted - 2013.03.11 09:59:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:I'd like a reimbursement for all my science and industry skills but that's because I came to the conclusion that it's just boring, sadly this was only after 4.5mil in both.
As for ship skills, the more skills you have the better, so, erm... hush now child. The science skills are not the topic. If you find there is something wrong about them then start a thread and discuss it there instead of coming here and acting stupid. Your inability to handle your problems properly is not a fitting argument for this discussion. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8077
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:01:00 -
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Whitehound wrote: Your inability to handle your problems properly is not a fitting argument for this discussion.
But the inability to handle problems properly was the whole point of this thread.
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8077
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:02:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Malcanis wrote:Better to be a parrot than a whining baby. Oh the irony. GET OUT!!
0/10 Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4297
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:03:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Malcanis wrote:If a million people claim that 2+2=5 and a trained parrot has been taught to say 2+2=4, then a million people aren't right because there's a million of them, they're just dumber than a trained parrot. You are indeed a fool, because two plus two equals four by definition - a definition made by mathematicians and agreed upon by millions of other mathematicians. GTFO, Malcanis. The difference is that the mathematicians actually have a veritable expertise in the subject. Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:04:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:TheBlueMonkey wrote:I'd like a reimbursement for all my science and industry skills but that's because I came to the conclusion that it's just boring, sadly this was only after 4.5mil in both.
As for ship skills, the more skills you have the better, so, erm... hush now child. The science skills are not the topic. If you find there is something wrong about them then start a thread and discuss it there instead of coming here and acting stupid. Your inability to handle your problems properly is not a fitting argument for this discussion.
Heh. Yes its quite funny that the trolls like to throw around comments such as whiny babies, and then make such statements as this above, it is just like trying to discuss something with a child who is having a tantrum and coming out with inane comments.
If I could be bothered to go back and find all the whiny posts that have been written in regards to this concern it would cover a whole page. :) |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:06:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Whitehound wrote: Your inability to handle your problems properly is not a fitting argument for this discussion. But the inability to handle problems properly was the whole point of this thread.
^ How did you work that out? Go and re read the opening post, I dont see anyone with an inability to handle problem there. I see someone simply bringing up a concern in a rational way. The only whiny baby we can all see at the moment is you. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2868
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:06:00 -
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I wonder if anybody ever actually learned what a "discussion" is.
This thread, like every other thread, is just "throwing opinions at each other". People like you have no chance in hell of ever learning anything valueable, because the only thing you can do is compare information from others with the information others give you and if it doesn't fit into your narrow circle of logic, it gets dismissed as wrong or stupid.
You guys are not only worse than politicians, you are a the very sheep of every politican out there.
And you don't even feel ashamed about that. You are just robots. Mindless, stupid robots who can only do the same thing over and over, with no chance of ever broadening your horizon.
in before all the already determined bullshit people usually throw at someone who tries to point out that their behaviour is completely lunatic. |
Whitehound
1182
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:08:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Whitehound wrote:Malcanis wrote:If a million people claim that 2+2=5 and a trained parrot has been taught to say 2+2=4, then a million people aren't right because there's a million of them, they're just dumber than a trained parrot. You are indeed a fool, because two plus two equals four by definition - a definition made by mathematicians and agreed upon by millions of other mathematicians. GTFO, Malcanis. The difference is that the mathematicians actually have a veritable expertise in the subject. Just shut up. Malcanis is a fool and you should not defend his silly ranting. You do not really think of yourself of having no expertise in what you find useful as a skill, do you? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Remiel Pollard
Intergalactic Trade and Harm
1389
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:09:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Whitehound wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I dunno.... saying "CCP parrot" just sounds like a butthurt way of saying RubyPorto is "quoting the primary authoritative source of the issue". So every time you call him a parrot, all you're really doing is acknowledging that he's right in a vindictive way. We, the players, are the "primary authoritative source" here. It is fine that when you cannot decide for yourself to allow others to make decisions for you, but it is just patronizing for those who can make their own decisions. We players decide from the first day we started playing EVE what skills we find useful. I see no reason why this should be taken away from us now. So unsub and quit, that would be entirely your choice. There are plenty of games I don't like and don't play, but at the end of the day the devs still make the final decisions. Sure, the players should certainly be listened to, but if they left it up to the players, there would be little to no cohesion or consistency in development. Now, we can have a mature discussion, or we can accuse each other of patronisation and lack of personal attorney, but that seems tremendously redundant and the fact is, as long as a skill is useful for something, it's useful. Even if it's something you don't use it for, that's entirely beside the point. The milk analogy is perfect, but I've got a simpler one. If you can't handle the heat, get outta the kitchen. As stated above, and also as you stated in your post here, this is CCPs game, and CCP think that this was a legitimate concern. Also it is quite ironic that the trolls are calling people whining babies. Nearly all the people who have bought this up have done so in a respectable and rational way, I haven't seen any whining or throwing toys out of the pram from the people trying to discuss the issue. On the other hand the trolls have been whining non stop and throwing all their toys out their pram at the thought of the idea to reimburse SP.
If you hadn't noticed, I was addressing someone specific at this point. And I challenge you to find one of my posts here where I've referred to someone, anyone, as a "whining baby". I don't make blanket statements, I specify. And honestly, I have no stake on the topic of skill points, I don't really care, I just train whatever seems prudent at the time. It really all seems quite trivial to me, I was originally addressing the people referring to RubyPorto as a "parrot" because he was quoting CCP without actually addressing his/her points (sorry, it's the internet so I can't be sure who is what or what is who).
If I had a stake, I would argue that unless the skill is removed outright, then it is still useful and therefore should not be reimbursed. However, I would also consider arguments that a case-by-case assessment should or should not be made. That, amongst many other factors, is something that needs to be considered here. Who gets reimbursed? Why? Does it give them an unfair advantage if they are and by what degree? Can they still do everything they could do before? Because whether or not newer players will have it harder or easier is entirely irrelevant - changes get made to games all the time that make things harder or easier for newer players to advance. Take EVE's old exploration and probing mechanics, for example, and compare that to how easy it is. How many explorers were reimbursed their time and effort from the old system? And by that account, why should skill points be any different? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2868
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:09:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Just shut up. Malcanis is a fool and you should not defend his silly ranting. You do not really think of yourself of having no expertise in what you find useful as a skill, do you? And you believe you are somehow better or superior ? |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
894
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:10:00 -
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look i'm having a bit of trouble comprehending here. what the hell is rebacha trying to argue? |
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
526
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:11:00 -
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inb4tl Hyperfleet Industries is selectivly recruiting. Enquire today. Killboard
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
894
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:12:00 -
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ps inb4 'inb4tl'
... damn |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:13:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:I wonder if anybody ever actually learned what a "discussion" is.
This thread, like every other thread, is just "throwing opinions at each other". People like you have no chance in hell of ever learning anything valueable, because the only thing you can do is compare information from others with the information others give you and if it doesn't fit into your narrow circle of logic, it gets dismissed as wrong or stupid.
You guys are not only worse than politicians, you are a the very sheep of every politican out there.
And you don't even feel ashamed about that. You are just robots. Mindless, stupid robots who can only do the same thing over and over, with no chance of ever broadening your horizon.
Everyone knows that people only come onto the eve forums mainly to troll, go on and on about their opinions, or shout and scream at others they disagree with.
Maybe only one or two come here to learn something, and like they OP they soon learn what a futile idea that is and dissapear. :)
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2868
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:13:00 -
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Princess Saskia wrote:inb4tl It's sad. Me and the others have turned this thread into something funny, and the mindless robots have to come here and spread their hatred again, because they can't just live with it on their own. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2868
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:14:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Maybe only one or two come here to learn something, and like they OP they soon learn what a futile idea that is and dissapear. :) The OP wasn't here to learn anything ... but i agree with the rest of your post. |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:15:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:look i'm having a bit of trouble comprehending here. what the hell is rebacha trying to argue?
Nothing. Heh. Im just observing this thread and throwing in some meat for the trolls and watching the feeding frenzy. |
Remiel Pollard
Intergalactic Trade and Harm
1389
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:17:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:look i'm having a bit of trouble comprehending here. what the hell is rebacha trying to argue? Nothing. Heh. Im just observing this thread and throwing in some meat for the trolls and watching the feeding frenzy.
So... you're trolling by the ironic virtue of calling other people trolls? Seems legit. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Whitehound
1182
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:17:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:I wonder if anybody ever actually learned what a "discussion" is.
This thread, like every other thread, is just "throwing opinions at each other". People like you have no chance in hell of ever learning anything valueable, because the only thing you can do is compare information from others with the information others give you and if it doesn't fit into your narrow circle of logic, it gets dismissed as wrong or stupid.
You guys are not only worse than politicians, you are a the very sheep of every politican out there.
And you don't even feel ashamed about that. You are just robots. Mindless, stupid robots who can only do the same thing over and over, with no chance of ever broadening your horizon. This is just another opinion. Rather tell us of what you are convinced is the truth on this subject.
I believe that some just like to fight arguments, because they like fighting. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
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