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Bloodmyst Ranwar
The Pilots Who Say Ni
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Posted - 2013.03.07 11:55:00 -
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Well, I guess I'll get straight to the point.
As a 2 month old noob in Eve Online I'm finding right now that I'm a little disappointed .
Please let me elaborate. Before I purchased my first subscription to Eve Online, I read about all the interesting stories about wars, politics and piracy throughout New Edens history. I must admit, reading all of these stories is what actually caught my attention about Eve Online, not only that but all the various career paths one could pursue.
What actually interested me the most about Eve Online was the Piracy Career. In particular, I loved the idea of being able to steal other players resources (otherwise known as can flipping) and just generally causing mayhem. To be quiet honest, I thought this was right up my alley considering I'm very much interested in solo work and it made sense to start here as a new Pilot.
Well, I guess I didn't read that much of the content I was reading had been out dated. I apologize if I'm misinformed here, but is High Sec Piracy now dead? Is it still a viable activity in the game?
The only reason I'm specifically asking about High Sec Piracy in general is because it seems like it's my only viable option to solo pvp considering how new my char is.
I know that Blob vs Blob isn't my cup of tea. Small gang roams I don't mind, but I subscribed into this game thinking I could harass industrialists, strategically plan out how I would ransom/hijack other pilots and generally cause mayhem very much all on my own.
Ladies and Gents, I ask you. What can I do as a 2 month old pilot in New Eden to satisfy my solo and/or piracy taste buds?
I very much live in Low Sec space now and I just cannot seem to find any solo fights there either, due to the amounts of pilots who either;
1. Try to gank me.
or
2. Are so much older then me it would be stupid to even engage them due to their much higher SP.
I have even gone though the effort of doing a daily roam throughout my region marking other pilots around the same SP as myself with a bad standing. Picking out potential targets where I believe there could be some potential good fights. But it seems many of those pilots literally do not leave high sec space.
I guess this is more of a rant then anything and I apologize if I have come off the wrong way. But it feels as though I'm very much limited in what I can do in terms of PvP unless I decide to join a Blob fleet.
Maybe I just got the wrong impression of how I pictured this game before I decided to play it. Don't get me wrong, I still love the game.... but just disappointed atm.
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Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
33251
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Posted - 2013.03.07 11:57:00 -
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I recommend you go and post in C&P those guys are quite good at messing with HS Mechanics to grieve people.
Good Luck
Also I do believe Can flipping is dead. Thanks Zimmy!! <3 (Updated) |
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
370
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Posted - 2013.03.07 12:05:00 -
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I too 'greive' people aswell Alice Hyperfleet Industries is selectivly recruiting. Enquire today. Killboard
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Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
33251
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Posted - 2013.03.07 12:07:00 -
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Princess Saskia wrote:I too 'greive' people aswell Alice
Ack stupid spellchecker changed it Thanks Zimmy!! <3 (Updated) |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2835
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Posted - 2013.03.07 12:17:00 -
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Well, yeah, you're disappointed. Get over it. You first have to start small and only then you can get bigger.
You could, at first, accept a job as my scanner/looter. Lot of stuff to learn doing that, until your skills get better to gank anything.
I even promise you there's no sitting around like all the wannabee ganking noobs do it with their neutral alts.
Otoh ... i'm not in the mood now.
I had bacon wrapped sausages and french fries for lunch. ^_^ |
baltec1
Bat Country
5518
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Posted - 2013.03.07 12:19:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:
I had bacon wrapped sausages and french fries for lunch. ^_^
You're so fat.
Yes I want some |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2835
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Posted - 2013.03.07 12:20:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Solstice Project wrote:
I had bacon wrapped sausages and french fries for lunch. ^_^
You're so fat. Wish i had 10kg more, tbh. :)
I TOTALLY didn't see this coming. xD |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2155
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Posted - 2013.03.07 12:27:00 -
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Hisec is just the starter area, there isn't much you can do there besides the new player tutorials. The rules placed there to protect new players restrict gameplay too much and make it impossible to enjoy EVE.
I find plenty of solo in lowsec, you need to forget the SP thing. Skill points have never killed anyone. Player experience is the lethal weapon. While sometimes old characters are piloted by experienced players, you can as often meet pilots (new alts) with low SP but insane human skillz flying their ships, or really old toons with only hilarious lossmails.
Another thing to realize is that all skills are capped at level V. This means that you reach competitive level really fast, and can max your skills for, say, T1 frigs in matter of months. That 10-year old character can't have any higher skill levels than you, he just has more injected skills, allowing more ship and weapon choices for him.
So pick a ship, focus your training and on paper you're as good as anyone. The difference comes from player skills, and there really isn't a shortcut (besided reading all the pvp guides and practicing piloting with friends and NPCS), you need to lock them up, point them and do your best to pop them. Don't worry about losing, just try to learn from every engagement and don't repeat your mistakes. You can even convo your opponents after a fight, explain that you are new and willing to learn and maybe they tell you why you died. You'll find that lowseccers are generally chill and fair dudes and most are happy to help out a newbro.
Good luck!
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Tryce Jaor
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.03.07 12:27:00 -
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Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
Ladies and Gents, I ask you. What can I do as a 2 month old pilot in New Eden to satisfy my solo and/or piracy taste buds?
Honestly, it sounds like you would enjoy infiltration and ganking. Killing your corp mates basically.
Join a corp, pretending to be a good guy and interested etc etc.... Select a target you know you can kill (one of your corp mates). Select relevant ship to kill with and voila kill it!
I suggest this because if you enjoy can flipping then you enjoy griefing :) No problem with that but take it a step further, it will be fun. |
Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
0
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Posted - 2013.03.07 12:30:00 -
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so, OP, you want to can flip miners which means you want them to flag to you so you can gank them yet you complain when you go to low sec and get ganked yourself.
You will fit right in with the ganking community here :)
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Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance MinTek Conglomerate
95
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Posted - 2013.03.07 12:37:00 -
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Your new to the game so solo PvP is not the best course of action yet. Better getting into a corp that does the type of PvP your interested in and start learning the ropes from them and learning how to be a usful fleet member. Once you have the skills and ability then start going off alone. |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
516
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Posted - 2013.03.07 12:39:00 -
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If you want to go down the griefing route, here's a few ideas for Piracy/Corp Theft, etc.
As Tryce said above: start off small. Find a small mining corp, warp in your frigate and pick on some defenceless miners, ransom them and HONOUR IT! (It shows you aren't just an asshat).
After, once you have worked your way up to a cruiser, you can start picking on bigger prey, I'd suggest a thorax or a rupture training wise, with a t2 plate fit, or shield buffer fit with each, you can do a lot of damage. Start picking on mission runners, look @ mission running corporations and ask for help with missions until people are comfortable enough to warp in their shiny bs's, then gank the crap out of them!
a long, long way down the line, when you can fly some advanced cruisers or BC's, look @ Wormhole theft and kills. People use some VERY shiny ships in wormholes to tank sleepers, and you could quite easily be the nail in the coffin, whilst making yourself very rich in the meantime.
1. This is very fun. 2. You will make a name for yourself (it will be bad, and will tarnish your "reputation" but it will be great) 3. You'll be rich
I'd suggest not picking on PvP corporations though, a lot of them are tight-knit etc.
The other option is faction warfare lowsec! ofc. |
Bloodmyst Ranwar
The Pilots Who Say Ni
11
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Posted - 2013.03.07 12:58:00 -
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Domina Trix wrote:so, OP, you want to can flip miners which means you want them to flag to you so you can gank them yet you complain when you go to low sec and get ganked yourself.
You will fit right in with the ganking community here :)
Basically, yes. I feel this is the only solo pvp I can do right now where I actually have a chance to kill other pilots and earn some isk at the same time. I'm sure many high sec miners have alts/corpies 1 - 3 jumps away from them, so I'm sure there is still some risk involved. But pvp'ing in low sec with a 2 month old char seems like suicide considering how hard it is to find 1 v 1 fights.
Is there something else better that you can suggest?
Just another question as well, do most pilots who live in High sec expect to be invulnerable whilst going about their daily activites?
As I seem to be reading more about this game, seems like high sec mechanics have dramatically changed over the past few years. |
Bloodmyst Ranwar
The Pilots Who Say Ni
11
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Posted - 2013.03.07 12:59:00 -
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Buhhdust Princess wrote:If you want to go down the griefing route, here's a few ideas for Piracy/Corp Theft, etc.
As Tryce said above: start off small. Find a small mining corp, warp in your frigate and pick on some defenceless miners, ransom them and HONOUR IT! (It shows you aren't just an asshat).
After, once you have worked your way up to a cruiser, you can start picking on bigger prey, I'd suggest a thorax or a rupture training wise, with a t2 plate fit, or shield buffer fit with each, you can do a lot of damage. Start picking on mission runners, look @ mission running corporations and ask for help with missions until people are comfortable enough to warp in their shiny bs's, then gank the crap out of them!
a long, long way down the line, when you can fly some advanced cruisers or BC's, look @ Wormhole theft and kills. People use some VERY shiny ships in wormholes to tank sleepers, and you could quite easily be the nail in the coffin, whilst making yourself very rich in the meantime.
1. This is very fun. 2. You will make a name for yourself (it will be bad, and will tarnish your "reputation" but it will be great) 3. You'll be rich
I'd suggest not picking on PvP corporations though, a lot of them are tight-knit etc.
The other option is faction warfare lowsec! ofc.
Very interesting post. Thanks for your feedback. :) |
Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
0
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Posted - 2013.03.07 13:23:00 -
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Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:Domina Trix wrote:so, OP, you want to can flip miners which means you want them to flag to you so you can gank them yet you complain when you go to low sec and get ganked yourself.
You will fit right in with the ganking community here :)
Basically, yes. I feel this is the only solo pvp I can do right now where I actually have a chance to kill other pilots and earn some isk at the same time. I'm sure many high sec miners have alts/corpies 1 - 3 jumps away from them, so I'm sure there is still some risk involved. But pvp'ing in low sec with a 2 month old char seems like suicide considering how hard it is to find 1 v 1 fights. Is there something else better that you can suggest? Just another question as well, do most pilots who live in High sec expect to be invulnerable whilst going about their daily activites?As I seem to be reading more about this game, seems like high sec mechanics have dramatically changed over the past few years.
If you believe what the gankers say all do but in reality only some do the rest either don't care or like myself consider getting ganked in hisec to be little more than an annoyance that is part of eve.
As for pvp'ing with a young pilot you are going to lose ships alot until you get to grips with it but from what I have read even young pilots have a place in pvp corps however if you insist on soloing pvp you are going to have a tough time. |
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
292
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Posted - 2013.03.07 13:36:00 -
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You want to grief? If you can get alt or an NPC friend then do the following.
1. Train for ganking catalyst (T1 varient, they are cheap and easy to train for) 2. Go find a juicy target (miners seem to be the in thing) 3. Have friend/alt eject you the gank ship from an Orca or he can even fly it to you then eject out of it for you to board. 4. Gank target. 5. Have alt scoop loot and salvage wreck. 6. Dock at station and wait 15 minutes 7. Profit??? 8. Goto step 1 |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2836
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Posted - 2013.03.07 13:37:00 -
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Domina Trix wrote:If you believe what the gankers say all do but in reality only some do the rest either don't care or like myself consider getting ganked in hisec to be little more than an annoyance that is part of eve.
As for pvp'ing with a young pilot you are going to lose ships alot until you get to grips with it but from what I have read even young pilots have a place in pvp corps however if you insist on soloing pvp you are going to have a tough time. Ever read a book above elementary grade ? |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front New Creation Collective
214
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Posted - 2013.03.07 14:19:00 -
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OP, join my public channel, "Revolution!" We pretty much specialize in showing new players to be highsec pirates. I've got guys younger than you who are getting juicy kills every single day. There are lots of ways to get started, and many of them are pretty much open to newbies if you are smart about how you go at it. Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
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Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
832
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Posted - 2013.03.07 15:18:00 -
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Hey, dude. I have a bit of work you can do as young as a single day old that will allow you to kill some excellent ****.
I wrote a guide about it.
Also well within your grasp as a relatively new player is ninja salvaging/mission invasion and suicide ganking. I love helping newbros get into the life, so don't hesitate for a second to contact me in game.
Some of the people in this thread have told you that you need to wait until you have more SP or that you need to start small. Don't be shackled down by their lies. You can find a way to get involved in almost every aspect of the life at incredibly low SP. Psychotic Monk for CSM. Belligerent Undesirables Blog. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight
70
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Posted - 2013.03.07 15:24:00 -
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Roime wrote:Hisec is just the starter area, there isn't much you can do there besides the new player tutorials. The rules placed there to protect new players restrict gameplay too much and make it impossible to enjoy EVE. ...
I would disagree with this. There still is much enjoyable asshattery to be done in hisec to fill fuel tanks with tears, but you are correct in that CCP's road to nerfdom is always making this job harder to do.
Harder, but still very doable. You can actually generate a lot of amazing stories based on solo & small-gang non-consensual hisec pvp, that just don't happen in lo/nullsec. http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca |
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TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
468
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Posted - 2013.03.07 15:30:00 -
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Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote: Some misconceptions
1) eve works better when you play with others
2) playing with others doesn't mean blob (people use the term blob any time they're out numbered, that's not a blob. If you're not forming a large bubble of ships that all bump off each other when you land from a fleet warp, you're not a blob)
3) Someone having more SP than you doesn't necessarily make them better than you. If I have 5mil in industrial ships and you have 1 mil in frigs, you're going to kill me. If I'm in a battleship and you're under my guns in a frig and kill my drones then I'd be reasonably dead in the water until backup appears.
What I would suggest you do, is go looking for corps who are floating around high sec doing things, then war dec them and fight them gerilla warfare style. Pick your targets, break their toys, cause a fuss. Keep the war up and tell them you'll stop for isk.
Although, the idea of "fair 1v1 PvP" has no real place in eve.
Every fight you get into should be either because you believe you have the upper hand or because you were caught by surprise.
Both of these require friends in game. |
Tialee
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
16
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Posted - 2013.03.07 16:12:00 -
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It is possible to solo pvp on a 2 month old character. As most here said, there is a limit to how much skills matter. If you're flying a kiting frigate against a brawler that can't hit you with it's range, it doesn't matter how many skill points that brawler has. There's much more to this game than skill points.
As far as solo PvP goes, get into low sec faction warfare areas. They tend to be full of frigates, and you can get a lot of 1v1 by just roaming around and checking the complexes for people. Sometimes they will run, sometimes they'll fight, but it's a great way to find fights. If you're in a frigate, then you can concentrate on Novice plexes and be certain that they won't have anything bigger fight you (just watch out for gangs). The other plexes are just as viable if the system is less populated.
Now I will say that this won't make you a ton of money, but if you're just flying T1 frigates, then it's only 10mil a loss and you can buy a lot of figs with a single plex until you get things figured out.
EDIT: Of course if you just want to build your piloting skills and learn how to fly without the whole "piracy" bit, you can join Red vs Blue and learn a lot that way and have the frigs paid for. |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1274
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Posted - 2013.03.07 16:17:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:Also I do believe Can flipping is dead.
I kill at least a couple of can flippers on each trip through highsec. If can flipping is dead, the can flippers haven't been told yet. Fly from belt to belt in quiet systems... find a miner with his combat drones out and steal from their can. His drones will autoregress you and you can kill him and take the spoils. I say a "quiet system" because if you do it in one that's frequently travelled then people like me will catch and kill you in the act.
As for highsec piracy... It works fine. You just have to be a little inventive. I know a chap who makes 500m per week "pirating" in highsec. Sure there's some scamming involved but that's less than half of it. I'm sure you want to know how, but I am not going to say... because I plan on doing this myself and the more people do it the less profitable it will be. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
203
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Posted - 2013.03.08 01:14:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Alice Saki wrote:Also I do believe Can flipping is dead. I kill at least a couple of can flippers on each trip through highsec. If can flipping is dead, the can flippers haven't been told yet. Fly from belt to belt in a quiet systems... find a miner with his combat drones out and steal from their can. His drones will autoregress you and you can kill him and take the spoils. I say a "quiet system" because if you do it in one that's frequently travelled then people like me will catch and kill you in the act. There is more risk to can flipping now, which is how it should be. If you thought you would be learning to PvP by can flipping the old way then you were wrong. You'd get a few defenceless miner kills under you belt and then go die in a fire when you wanted to shoot someone who could fight back. If anything can flipping is now a better training tool because you actually have to worry about other people. As for highsec piracy... It works fine. You just have to be a little inventive. I know a chap who makes 500m per week "pirating" in highsec. Sure there's some scamming involved but that's less than half of it. I'm sure you want to know how, but I am not going to say... because I plan on doing this myself and the more people do it the less profitable it will be. Anyway... I could rant indefinitely on this subject so I will stop here. But as a pirate and solo PvPer, I can attest that both professions are more alive and well than they have ever been.
Drones will not "auto agress a player for stealing from a can,"
And Can flipping is dead because a retriever can hold 25km3, there is no reason to jet can anymore.
I don't read any post that mentions un-subing or CCP revenue. Or anything that starts with "if you want to get more players to go to xy,z" those are equally bad. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
470
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Posted - 2013.03.08 01:28:00 -
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Roime wrote:Hisec is just the starter area, there isn't much you can do there besides the new player tutorials. The rules placed there to protect new players restrict gameplay too much and make it impossible to enjoy EVE.
I find plenty of solo in lowsec, you need to forget the SP thing. Skill points have never killed anyone. Player experience is the lethal weapon. While sometimes old characters are piloted by experienced players, you can as often meet pilots (new alts) with low SP but insane human skillz flying their ships, or really old toons with only hilarious lossmails.
Another thing to realize is that all skills are capped at level V. This means that you reach competitive level really fast, and can max your skills for, say, T1 frigs in matter of months. That 10-year old character can't have any higher skill levels than you, he just has more injected skills, allowing more ship and weapon choices for him.
So pick a ship, focus your training and on paper you're as good as anyone. The difference comes from player skills, and there really isn't a shortcut (besided reading all the pvp guides and practicing piloting with friends and NPCS), you need to lock them up, point them and do your best to pop them. Don't worry about losing, just try to learn from every engagement and don't repeat your mistakes. You can even convo your opponents after a fight, explain that you are new and willing to learn and maybe they tell you why you died. You'll find that lowseccers are generally chill and fair dudes and most are happy to help out a newbro.
Good luck!
People die daily in highsec to two week old noobs, I'm unclear as to what highsec you are talking about?
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Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
505
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Posted - 2013.03.08 02:20:00 -
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Op, yes, I'm a 4 year 'vet' of Eve. But here's some good newbie advice:
No you don't need a gazillion Sp to be effective. As solo, it's a bit more restrictive, but player skill is all that really matters. Along with Cohones. Player skill you get by doing your homework, researching, theorycrafting, checking sites, gaining information. Either about someone you want to molest, or how to molest people in general.
I killed my first 3 battleships in a single engagement as a 3 week old noob. Yes, I had help in the form of a couple of fleet members in battleships, but they were long range, I was the 3 week old newbie, in a rifter with no guns, only a couple of small neuts, a web, a scram and an afterburner, that was crazy enough to fly over to the enemy battleships, pinned them down, and kept holding them down until my fleetmates killed them. Without me, those battleships would have simply warped off. Without them, yeah, I would have been sushi. ( in fact, when I tried this on a 4th ship, didn't know what it was except it was some kind of cruiser ( a Loki ), i got splattered all over the place )
Anyway, you want to be a pirate, dare to lose some ships, you will have to get used to doing that anyway, it's part of Eve. Go down into lowsec, see if there's a miner in a quiet system, and try and take him out. See someone in a similar sized ship, who is also a pirate, but he's probably got friends nearby, dare him in a 1 on 1. Cooler pirates that see that you're a newbie with a bit of spine will probably honer it, then smack you around all the corners of the solarsystem before sending you home in a pod. If you win, be gracefull and tell them it was a goodfight. if you lose, man up that you lost, and ask what you could have done better.
This is Eve, do what you want to do, as losing is simply a part of the game, and helps you learn. Your options are only limited to what you dare to do.
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Jensaro Koraka
Serenity Prime Kraken.
32
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Posted - 2013.03.08 08:05:00 -
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Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:I apologize if I'm misinformed here, but is High Sec Piracy now dead? Is it still a viable activity in the game? 'High sec piracy' is an oxymoron, like 'military intelligence' or 'Microsoft Works'. "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken |
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.03.08 16:44:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote: And Can flipping is dead because a retriever can hold 25km3, there is no reason to jet can anymore.
Someone should probably tell the miners then. I keep seeing people jet mining into Freight Containers, now that freighters have a jet tube. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1093
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Posted - 2013.03.08 17:17:00 -
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I've often wondered what happens when people shoot at all those NPC "Merchant" "Trader" and "Huckster" ships that are constantly flowing in and out of stations in hisec. Do they get CONCORDed? A suspect flag? Navy response?
I know I've seen at least one blown up before and sure enough it dropped loot, but I don't remember what happened to the pilot who did it. EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people. |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
509
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Posted - 2013.03.08 17:47:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:I've often wondered what happens when people shoot at all those NPC "Merchant" "Trader" and "Huckster" ships that are constantly flowing in and out of stations in hisec. Do they get CONCORDed? A suspect flag? Navy response?
I know I've seen at least one blown up before and sure enough it dropped loot, but I don't remember what happened to the pilot who did it.
not sure, but I believe it only gives you a big standing hit with whatever npc corp the NPC is affiliated with, along with their guns firing at you if you're shooting it at their station. probably also a faction hit, so eventually the navy might come looking for you, possibly also a suspect flag for being naughty.
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