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Clara Stewart
Stewart Collections
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:10:00 -
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So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items? I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.
The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!
T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.
What do you think?
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Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
248
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:17:00 -
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Clara Stewart wrote:So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items? I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.
The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!
T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.
What do you think?
I think you should be using the correct decryptors if you are getting -4,-4
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Clara Stewart
Stewart Collections
16
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:24:00 -
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Pewty McPew wrote:Clara Stewart wrote:So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items? I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.
The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!
T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.
What do you think?
I think you should be using the correct decryptors if you are getting -4,-4 This is not really the issue though.
Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts, all we would have left is invention.. Why should a few lucky players own the rare bpo? Why are they so special?
They are not.
How many of these T2 bpo just sit in containers with collectors who will never use or sell them? |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2515
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:26:00 -
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Clara Stewart wrote:Pewty McPew wrote:Clara Stewart wrote:So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items? I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.
The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!
T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.
What do you think?
I think you should be using the correct decryptors if you are getting -4,-4 This is not really the issue though. Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts, all we would have left is invention.. Why should a few lucky players own the rare bpo? Why are they so special? They are not. How many of these T2 bpo just sit in containers with collectors who will never use or sell them?
I see T2 BPO's for sale all the time. You too, can be special. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
267
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:31:00 -
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Fine, I'll bite the troll.
You're ******* ********. |
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
248
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:31:00 -
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Clara Stewart wrote:Pewty McPew wrote:Clara Stewart wrote:So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items? I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.
The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!
T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.
What do you think?
I think you should be using the correct decryptors if you are getting -4,-4 This is not really the issue though. Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts, all we would have left is invention.. Why should a few lucky players own the rare bpo? Why are they so special? They are not. How many of these T2 bpo just sit in containers with collectors who will never use or sell them?
They are so special as you say because they have been around since before you were a gleem in your momma's eye. At that time any player involved in invention had a "chance" of getting a T2 BPO. If you were not around back then, sorry for you, but players who were should not be penalized.
Who cares if they are sitting around being unused. If you want one so bad and can't figure out how to properly invent a T2 BPC then by all means save you pennies and buy one. There is nothing other then the ISK stopping you.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1079
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:33:00 -
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Poasting in T2 BPO whine thread #72799868
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Clara Stewart
Stewart Collections
16
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:35:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Clara Stewart wrote:Pewty McPew wrote:Clara Stewart wrote:So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items? I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.
The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!
T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.
What do you think?
I think you should be using the correct decryptors if you are getting -4,-4 This is not really the issue though. Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts, all we would have left is invention.. Why should a few lucky players own the rare bpo? Why are they so special? They are not. How many of these T2 bpo just sit in containers with collectors who will never use or sell them? I see T2 BPO's for sale all the time. You too, can be special.
The problem is they have to much value as a collectors item or as a way to keep large sums of isk safe from inflation. They arent realisicly priced.
But then I go back to this point "Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts", they would be gone from the game, forever?
T2 bpo should never be finite and and exclusive, this is not how Eve works only a few rare items like tournament prize ships fit in that role, something as important as modules we all use should be available fairly to all.
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Tesal
220
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:37:00 -
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Clara Stewart wrote:Pewty McPew wrote:Clara Stewart wrote:So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items? I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.
The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!
T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.
What do you think?
I think you should be using the correct decryptors if you are getting -4,-4 This is not really the issue though. Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts, all we would have left is invention.. Why should a few lucky players own the rare bpo? Why are they so special? They are not. How many of these T2 bpo just sit in containers with collectors who will never use or sell them?
They should be able to keep them because they likely paid vast quantities of isk for them. In many cases they would have to use the BPO for several years before they recoup their initial investment. If T2 BPO were eliminated, that huge investment would be lost and that wouldn't be fair.
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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
925
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:44:00 -
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To put it simply:
People who own T2 BPOs are BETTER THAN YOU.
And confirming:
CCP values T2 BPO HOLDERS more than they value... you.
To the Point:
You will NEVER be accepted into the EVE ELITE.
And Finally:
You will NEVER defeat me, MUAH HA HA HA! Hey, I just met you... and this is crazy but you popped my Rifter, so don't pod me maybe? |
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Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
248
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:44:00 -
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Clara Stewart wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Clara Stewart wrote:Pewty McPew wrote:Clara Stewart wrote:So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items? I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.
The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!
T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.
What do you think?
I think you should be using the correct decryptors if you are getting -4,-4 This is not really the issue though. Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts, all we would have left is invention.. Why should a few lucky players own the rare bpo? Why are they so special? They are not. How many of these T2 bpo just sit in containers with collectors who will never use or sell them? I see T2 BPO's for sale all the time. You too, can be special. The problem is they have to much value as a collectors item or as a way to keep large sums of isk safe from inflation. They arent realisicly priced. But then I go back to this point "Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts", they would be gone from the game, forever? T2 bpo should never be finite and and exclusive, this is not how Eve works only a few rare items like tournament prize ships fit in that role, something as important as modules we all use should be available fairly to all.
So what's the value of the big stack of Gurista's ship logs I have sitting in my hanger that are no longer available worth? Should CCP just remove them because you wen't around back then to get any so it's unfair I have them?
They exist and are freely available just go out and buy one.
If everyone that had a T2 BPO unsubbed yeah I guess you would be right there would be none in the game, but who cares? That's never gonna happen.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2312
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:54:00 -
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Clara Stewart wrote:Pewty McPew wrote:Clara Stewart wrote:So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items? I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.
The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!
T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.
What do you think?
I think you should be using the correct decryptors if you are getting -4,-4 This is not really the issue though. Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts, all we would have left is invention.. Why should a few lucky players own the rare bpo? Why are they so special? They are not. How many of these T2 bpo just sit in containers with collectors who will never use or sell them?
A few things. If the BPOs are just sitting in some hangar and not being used then what's the problem?
And secondly, there are plenty of other exclusive items in the game. From tech moons to copies of the Pax Amarria. Do you propose they all get removed or tossed into a lottery as well?
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Prekaz
The Gentlemen's Corporation
17
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Posted - 2013.02.26 00:00:00 -
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Clara Stewart wrote:
The problem is they have to much value as a collectors item or as a way to keep large sums of isk safe from inflation. They arent realisicly priced.
Either they offer an amazing advantage, and are worth paying a premium, and are thus realistically priced, or they do not offer much of an advantage at all, and so their value is primarily as a collectors item, and are thus realistically priced.
That aside, their price, like most prices, is predicated on supply and demand. "Realistically priced" is the defacto state. |
BadAssMcKill
Ghost Headquarters The Ghost Army
122
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Posted - 2013.02.26 00:00:00 -
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T2 bpos really aren't as good as you think they are Starships were meant to fly~ |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
239
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Posted - 2013.02.26 00:04:00 -
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Clara Stewart wrote:The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!
Yes, the way they were handed out was wrong. I was playing the game at the time the T2 BPO lottery still existed, and remember the final lottery which was held (I was researching in hope of a T2 Pulse laser BPO).
Despite having some RP, I had such a small chance of getting one compared to the older players at the time due to how each RP counted as a lottery ticket, I realistically was never going to get one handed to me. Some older players had millions of RP.
CCP, being the omni-gods that they are, realised that it was incredibly unfair and corrected their mistake, helping everyone by completely stopping the lottery and moving over to the invention system.
Don't try and make out CCP haven't done anything to rectify the situation.
Also know this: Cap Charger II's used 15m ISK each (they'd probably be 20-25m after inflation in the current market) due to the BPO cartel that existed.
Invention smashed that and other cartels in one fell swoop.
Besides, as T2 BPO's currently stand, you don't want one as unless you happen to have bought one in 2005 or similar or were given one, then you'll pretty much never recoup your investment costs, plus you can make many many more items at a time by using invention gained BPC's. |
Ris Dnalor
L'Avant Garde Happy Endings
452
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Posted - 2013.02.26 00:07:00 -
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Clara Stewart wrote:So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items? I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.
The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!
T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.
What do you think?
The richest players will always have the rarest items - if they want to.
They've also invested many billions of isk to buy them in some cases. Unless they received the bpo from the lottery themselves... or bought it very early on, the likelihood of getting a return on their investment in less than a decade is slim in most cases. It just simplifies the grind of t2 bpc research.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
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Tesal
220
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Posted - 2013.02.26 00:16:00 -
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Pewty McPew wrote:So what's the value of the big stack of Gurista's ship logs I have sitting in my hanger that are no longer available worth? Should CCP just remove them because you wen't around back then to get any so it's unfair I have them?
They exist and are freely available just go out and buy one.
If everyone that had a T2 BPO unsubbed yeah I guess you would be right there would be none in the game, but who cares? That's never gonna happen.
I read my Guristas ship logs and reminisce over the red crosses I shot. What fun that was.
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Varesk
Origin. Black Legion.
314
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Posted - 2013.02.26 00:20:00 -
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Clara Stewart wrote:So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items? I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.
The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!
T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.
What do you think?
I think that people that were playing the game at the time and received the t2 BPOs are lucky. Its not their fault they were playing Eve before me and its not right to punish them for doing so.
If you are so butt hurt about this buy one.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
2465
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Posted - 2013.02.26 00:31:00 -
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Poasting in a not-so-stealth 'take away stuff from the goons' thread.
Actually, there wasnt anything stealth about it. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
490
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Posted - 2013.02.26 02:19:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:To put it simply:
People who own T2 BPOs are BETTER THAN YOU.
And confirming:
CCP values T2 BPO HOLDERS more than they value... you.
To the Point:
You will NEVER be accepted into the EVE ELITE without a T2 BPO.
And Finally:
You will NEVER defeat me, MUAH HA HA HA!
In Mother Russia, T2 BPO owns YOU?
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1603
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Posted - 2013.02.26 02:19:00 -
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Clara Stewart wrote:What do you think? Brewlar Kuvakei alt spotted |
Shadow Lord77
Shadow Industries I
166
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Posted - 2013.02.26 02:39:00 -
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Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
578
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Posted - 2013.02.26 02:43:00 -
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where dafuq is Akita T? |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
333
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Posted - 2013.02.26 02:47:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking
367
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Posted - 2013.02.26 04:12:00 -
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I hope that soemtime in the next 10 years i can slowly buy up all of the T2 BPO's i can and shove them forever into my "collectibles" station container, i have so many nice things ive bartered/bought/magpied from dumb players, poor players, leaving players, etc.
maybe one day ill have enough collectibles (defined as any item you can no longer obtain through conventional means), to FILL that station container. |
Hannah Flex
laissez-faire economics
227
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Posted - 2013.02.26 04:25:00 -
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Clara Stewart wrote:So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items? I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.
The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!
T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.
What do you think?
You're an idiot if you think that one dude with one T2 BPO or even 10 BPOs has the isk power and resources to dominate any market. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1023
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Posted - 2013.02.26 05:06:00 -
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Clara Stewart wrote:Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts, all we would have left is invention.. Why should a few lucky players own the rare bpo? Why are they so special?
Sadly, the honest answer to that question is ban hammer material.
Hannah Flex wrote:You're an idiot if you think that one dude with one T2 BPO or even 10 BPOs has the isk power and resources to dominate any market.
Individual? No. Alliance? Yes. EvE Forum Bingo |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
233
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Posted - 2013.02.26 05:28:00 -
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Warning for the OP! The following may blow your pea brain:
Lack of profit that you are experiencing with invention is not the fault of T2 BPO owners but rather the fault of your fellow inventors. Various reasons of course which vary from inventors being cretins and just operating at break even or at a loss OR they are superior to you and are making profits with prices that are sending you into bankruptcy.
Do your self a favour and do some calculations of on proft of items that do not have a T2 BPO and you will see.
T2 BPO pretty much just boils down to convenience of not having to bother with the invention click fest and ability to operate on layed back monthly cycles while the 99% run around. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2207
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Posted - 2013.02.26 05:42:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Clara Stewart wrote:Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts, all we would have left is invention.. Why should a few lucky players own the rare bpo? Why are they so special? Sadly, the honest answer to that question is ban hammer material. Hannah Flex wrote:You're an idiot if you think that one dude with one T2 BPO or even 10 BPOs has the isk power and resources to dominate any market. Individual? No. Alliance? Yes.
And what alliance is gonna do that without being robbed blind or someone stealing them all? . |
343guilty1
The Red Circle Inc.
16
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Posted - 2013.02.26 05:48:00 -
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Clara Stewart wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Clara Stewart wrote:Pewty McPew wrote:Clara Stewart wrote:So when will CCP get around to fixing them, is it fair the most fortunate/richest players can hold the market on these relativly rare items? I know we can invent them but -4 -4 me/pe kind of sucks.
The way these bp's were handed out in the first place was a mistake and the error is yet to be corrected!
T2 bpo are a finite resource and this is wrong, they should either be removed and only T2 bpc available via invention or the bpo should be available from npc either from drops or lp stores.
What do you think?
I think you should be using the correct decryptors if you are getting -4,-4 This is not really the issue though. Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts, all we would have left is invention.. Why should a few lucky players own the rare bpo? Why are they so special? They are not. How many of these T2 bpo just sit in containers with collectors who will never use or sell them? I see T2 BPO's for sale all the time. You too, can be special. The problem is they have to much value as a collectors item or as a way to keep large sums of isk safe from inflation. They arent realisicly priced. But then I go back to this point "Lets say tommorow all owners of T2 bpo unsubbed accounts", they would be gone from the game, forever? T2 bpo should never be finite and and exclusive, this is not how Eve works only a few rare items like tournament prize ships fit in that role, something as important as modules we all use should be available fairly to all. Actually this IS how Eve works, you just don't like it, and sounds like you are mad because you weren't around for it when it happened. Suppose Runescape should remove all those Phats cuz those guys are too cool too? Furthermore the tourney ships that you mentioned prove your point in the other direction. Tourny ships are used FAR less frequently than T2 BPOs so they are more valuable and less used than a collectors item. Wanna compare the Price of lets say a hulk BPO compared to the last Federation Navy Megathron? Come talk to forums then. |
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