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Siegereaver
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.13 06:04:00 -
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I currently have a combat focused (running lvl 4's) main and a mining alt that is a 2 weeks away from a hulk. I like the idea of mining while not being as focused as i am during missions. I know hisec mining isnt as profitable as cranking out missions but the more relaxed two account mining could be nice at times
Question is...i was looking at doing an orca/hulk combo. So is this something that is worth doing and if so, which character should be the orca pilot. Better to have the combat pilot in the orca? I know when you train a hulk you are pretty much finished with the orca path anyway so maybe it doesnt matter. The combat pilot has much better core comp skills, drone skills, shield skills than the miner alt.
Or should i scrap that whole idea, spend those 30 days on making my combat pilot more badass and just loligag around in my mining alt for a little extra isk each month while i build up his research skills?
Does that give enough info for any good feedback? |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.10.13 06:26:00 -
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Well, my shadow follows me around.
My shadow started in a Bestower, so he could haul for me while he trained for a Hulk. Then I used 2 cargo fitted Hulks to mine while my alt trained for an Orca (and while I earned the ISK to buy one). There is a lot in common between a Hulk and an Orca. My alt also trained T2 mining crystals, as he'd need the skills for compression with a Rorqual eventually (I'm on my second Rorqual now).
My shadow does:
* Salvaging (Noctis) * Hacking & Archeology (exploration, used a Hurricane) * Booster (Orca & Rorqual so far, for mining, siege warfare, and armor warfare) * Hauler (Crane, Bustard, Charon, and Rhea) * Science & Industry (minor role, as I have other alts that specialize in that) * PI
He has almost as many skill points as I do now, but he lacks any combat skills. I have other accounts for that though, like another Hulk pilot that also is a Tengu, Onyx (HIC), hauler (Charon, Crane, Bustard), and my primary probing pilot (in a Tengu). It started out as just a Hulk pilot though. I also tend to train most of my alts as POS gunners. |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
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Posted - 2011.10.13 07:22:00 -
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Yes a hulk/orca combo is worth it; your mining yield will almost double if the orca pilot is fully skilled and has the mindlink implant
This doesn't mean however that you cn go semiafk in safety , but you probbly will fill a orca in a hour or so
Irca can also be used as a medium freighter with unscanable cargospace
almost forgot your corp mates will love ya for bringing a orca I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.13 12:48:00 -
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In a four to five hour mining period, you can get approx 1 million m3 of ore. I use the Orca/Hulk combination, and make roughly 50-60mil in that time frame mining just veldspar, scordite, pyroxeres and kernite. But, I also strip mine, meaning I take the entire belt.
You can make alot more if you specialty mine. i.e. go after just kernite and pyroxeres, or some other combination of ore types.
You can make way more if you move out to lowsec and mine and even more than that in nullsec. But with these the risk factor goes up as well.
Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
servalaan
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.15 04:13:00 -
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Personally I'd make the alt your Orca pilot (I did) That way your main remains 'your main' and you probably already have the skill already for cloning so making a mining cloan wont be such an effort.
SKILLS NEEDED FOR MAX YIELD (ORCA PILOT).
Warfare link specialist 5 (50% per gang link mod). Industrial command ship 5 (15% per gang link mod). Mining director 5 (400% per gang link mod). Mining foreman 5 (10% to yield).
IMPLANTS NEEDED FOR MAX YIELD (ORCA PILOT).
Mining Foreman Mindlink (50% per gang mod, replaces mining forman with 15% to yield)
The above skills will take a few months to train to max them out which IMO is a must. If your going to go down the route of mining don't be fooled into thinking your gonna get to a good standard quickly, to max-out in high-sec ores along with other relevant skills in ore specific refining is going to take about a year (I kid you not)
SKILLS NEEDED FOR MAX YIELD (HULK PILOT):
Mining 5 (+25% to yield HULK). Astrogeology 5 (+25% to yield HULK). Mining Barge 5 (+15% to yield HULK). Exhumer 5 (+15% to yield HULK). ORE PROCESSING 4 (16,17% to yield T2 CYRYSTALS). Mining Laser Upgrades 5 (+9% to yield MLU). Drone Interfacing 5 (+100% to yield DRONES). Mining Drone Operation 5 (+25% to yield DRONES).
IMPLANTS NEEDED FOR MAX YIELD (HULK PILOT):
HX-2 Highwall (+5% to yield). "700mill+" Michi Excavation (+5% to yield). "200mill"
An after thought after all this is training the use of scanner probes and start hunting for Grav sites and become one of a growing number of nomadic miners, maybe even train your alt to pilot a freighter??
Flysafe o/ |
Eddie Laydon
Power Absolute Absolute Damage Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.17 00:57:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:Yes a hulk/orca combo is worth it; your mining yield will almost double if the orca pilot is fully skilled and has the mindlink implant
This doesn't mean however that you cn go semiafk in safety , but you probbly will fill a orca in a hour or so
this is total bullshit.
a maxed out orca pilot(all lvl5 with 300mil implant) gives a max boost of something like 50-60%, so you will need at least 2 hulks to make the orca worth it.
also i mine with 2 maxed out hulks (orca boosted and all) and they fill approx 8-9 cans/h ~ 220k m3 = 1full orca. no way can one hulk fill a whole orca in 1h.
my advise for you would be to either get 1 more char and train him to fly orca (or hulk) while refocusing the other 2 so they become industrialists, or do something else.
people think that just cause mining can be done afk its easy money, but if you want to make more than 5mil/h you need to be smart and invest sp&isk. afk mining is like afk missioning(aka a waste of time). |
Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:59:00 -
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Eddie Laydon wrote:pussnheels wrote:Yes a hulk/orca combo is worth it; your mining yield will almost double if the orca pilot is fully skilled and has the mindlink implant
This doesn't mean however that you cn go semiafk in safety , but you probbly will fill a orca in a hour or so
this is total bullshit. a maxed out orca pilot(all lvl5 with 300mil implant) gives a max boost of something like 50-60%, so you will need at least 2 hulks to make the orca worth it. also i mine with 2 maxed out hulks (orca boosted and all) and they fill approx 8-9 cans/h ~ 220k m3 = 1full orca. no way can one hulk fill a whole orca in 1h. my advise for you would be to either get 1 more char and train him to fly orca (or hulk) while refocusing the other 2 so they become industrialists, or do something else. people think that just cause mining can be done afk its easy money, but if you want to make more than 5mil/h you need to be smart and invest sp&isk. afk mining is like afk missioning(aka a waste of time). this x2 one hulk does not fill an orca in one hour LOL at 1M m3 of ore as well. A max orca can hold only 175Km3 worth of ore, you know how much that melts down to without any losses? 1Mm3 of ore is a tad under 6 orca loads. |
Eddie Laydon
Power Absolute Absolute Damage Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:53:00 -
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Jason McCoy wrote:this x2 one hulk does not fill an orca in one hour LOL at 1M m3 of ore as well. A max orca can hold only 175Km3 worth of ore, you know how much that melts down to without any losses? 1Mm3 of ore is a tad under 6 orca loads.
if you fill your cargohold with gsc (as everyone who uses orca to haul should) you get close to 220k m3, and 2 orca boosted hulks can absolutely fill it in 1h. i dont understand what 1M m3 and 6 orca loads of ore have to do with anything |
Siegereaver
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.17 22:25:00 -
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I am currently paying for 2 accounts and was hoping to not have to add another one until I could at least pay for the Plex for one of the accounts. Are people just paying for all these extra accounts with the idea of getting to a point of profitability to pay for them all or are people starting with one account and only adding another account to their system once they can afford to plex the first account? |
AureoLion
Etoilles Mortant Ltd. Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:47:00 -
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@random idiot about "orca only boosts 60%" HAULING TIME USING MLUs INSTEAD OF CEs Saint god. That **** pops up like, daily! |
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Hoohnzy
Vintage heavy industries
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:45:00 -
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Eddie Laydon wrote:pussnheels wrote:Yes a hulk/orca combo is worth it; your mining yield will almost double if the orca pilot is fully skilled and has the mindlink implant
This doesn't mean however that you cn go semiafk in safety , but you probbly will fill a orca in a hour or so
this is total bullshit. a maxed out orca pilot(all lvl5 with 300mil implant) gives a max boost of something like 50-60%, so you will need at least 2 hulks to make the orca worth it. also i mine with 2 maxed out hulks (orca boosted and all) and they fill approx 8-9 cans/h ~ 220k m3 = 1full orca. no way can one hulk fill a whole orca in 1h. my advise for you would be to either get 1 more char and train him to fly orca (or hulk) while refocusing the other 2 so they become industrialists, or do something else. people think that just cause mining can be done afk its easy money, but if you want to make more than 5mil/h you need to be smart and invest sp&isk. afk mining is like afk missioning(aka a waste of time).
I think your math is wrong or your hulks are not maxed :o |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.10.18 16:13:00 -
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Hoohnzy wrote:Eddie Laydon wrote:pussnheels wrote:Yes a hulk/orca combo is worth it; your mining yield will almost double if the orca pilot is fully skilled and has the mindlink implant
This doesn't mean however that you cn go semiafk in safety , but you probbly will fill a orca in a hour or so
this is total bullshit. a maxed out orca pilot(all lvl5 with 300mil implant) gives a max boost of something like 50-60%, so you will need at least 2 hulks to make the orca worth it. also i mine with 2 maxed out hulks (orca boosted and all) and they fill approx 8-9 cans/h ~ 220k m3 = 1full orca. no way can one hulk fill a whole orca in 1h. my advise for you would be to either get 1 more char and train him to fly orca (or hulk) while refocusing the other 2 so they become industrialists, or do something else. people think that just cause mining can be done afk its easy money, but if you want to make more than 5mil/h you need to be smart and invest sp&isk. afk mining is like afk missioning(aka a waste of time). I think your math is wrong or your hulks are not maxed :o
some of the problem MAY be hisec crap rocks having very little ore in them. But the 50-60% figure is a decent range based on my calcs...
Max-skill hulk pilot, with lol-expensive implants = ~1700 M3/Min (actually 1705) Said hulk pilot, with orca boosts = ~2650 M3/Min (actually 2646) Difference is ~950 M3/min (55.88% of 1700)
2 hulks + orca is the break-even point for M3/Min, assuming optimal mining yields all the time. Personally, I find that 2 hulks + orca is too much to deal with, so I deal with the lesser yield of one hulk and use pilot 3 as a hauler *****.
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