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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2151
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:21:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: 3) The only authority higher than the Director of Security for these complaints is the Executive Producer and then the CEO. This is a higher level of escalation than the Customer Service arm and IA automatically looks at our work.
you don't see a potential conflict of interest in IA being part of a team it is tasked to investigate?
Only in a creepy shadow world where nobody in our chain can be trusted. In this case none of us would be employable by anyone so while it might make for interesting eve news tinfoil fodder it really doesn't have much basis in reality.
In reality I'm the one who watches the watchers. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Nessa Aldeen
The Sword and The Shield
9
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:21:00 -
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Looking at the forum post on eve uni, your ceo is assuming too much. Talking to people and befriending them online does NOT necessitate the fact that 'John' is innocent. He was a botter. Period. Just so you claim John is 100% innocent because his conduct seems clean does not mean he did not do these 'pixel crimes'. He bloody hell did.
To do those things is downright impossible without using them. You claim that he is innocent bla bla bla but everything in EVE leaves a massive electronic paper trail. Are we suppose to take the word of your CEO and assume that CCP was in the wrong just because of hearsay and 'good behaviour'? That's akin to looking at your neighbour and thinking 'oh wow, he was a nice dude no way he murdered those people" but the neighbour actually did because the police knew it.
On your second assertion that you have a right to know just because he donated illegal liquidated assets to EVE-uni sets a downright dangerous precedent. YOU being eve-uni does NOT make you any MORE special than any other corp or alliance demanding answers to something that is between the account holder and CCP. He biomassed himself and went back to make more gold in some damn generic MMO fantasy, good riddance. CCP had done the right thing by giving you escalation and coming back to tell you that the isk is indeed illegal and confiscating it. If you think have a right to know how CCP detects these things, then I too demand the same privileges.
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Thur Barbek
Republic University Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:22:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: 3) The only authority higher than the Director of Security for these complaints is the Executive Producer and then the CEO. This is a higher level of escalation than the Customer Service arm and IA automatically looks at our work.
you don't see a potential conflict of interest in IA being part of a team it is tasked to investigate?
So you want *Internal Affairs* to be handled by an *external* party... Where do you people come from. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2151
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:22:00 -
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Mai Khumm wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Frankly we're a bit disturbed by the allegations made here given that the person in question waited until they exhausted every resource possible prior to posting this then lamented the lack of an escalation path. Not getting the answer you like isn't a lack of an escalation path and never will be. With this games interesting.......history, do you REALLY blame half the allegations made. I mean, all of them, not just in this thread.
While I'm not trying to slide things under a rug, yes basing an allegation against my team on a single act of misconduct 7 years ago is pretty insane. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Wescro
Tash-Murkon Amalgamated Security
238
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:22:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:There are a number of things wrong with the assertions being made in other forums, which is a topic I'm sure the author of these posts is familiar with because we discussed them prior to his rather selective reporting of the incident. Here's the facts as we need be concerned from an eve perspective:
1) John was botting. That is not even close to in dispute. 2) We committed an error in not removing the isk before it got to EVE-U. However we did rectify this problem and our logs show that it was discussed and approved prior to either them receiving the isk or petitioning. We apologized to EVE-U however the petition was escalated as high as it could be and the decision remained. We cannot typically share this information with them as it's really none of their business. 3) The only authority higher than the Director of Security for these complaints is the Executive Producer and then the CEO. This is a higher level of escalation than the Customer Service arm and IA automatically looks at our work. I'm not sure why we feel we should be able to escalate higher than the highest reasonable authority but the fact is that this team operates with significant oversight. We believe the issue here to be more that this particular CSM feels he isn't in the loop, something which is quite frankly the only proper way to do business in a unit that handles secrets.
Frankly we're a bit disturbed by the allegations made here given that the person in question waited until they exhausted every resource possible prior to posting this then lamented the lack of an escalation path. Not getting the answer you like isn't a lack of an escalation path and never will be.
Thank you for responding substantively instead of closing the thread. I'm sure everyone here wants to see the right thing done. In this situation it's your word against the players. Is there anyway the playerbase can be given assurance that the process is not arbitrary besides simply asking us to have faith in CCP? James 315-á-áis the only pro-sandbox candidate running for CSM 8. Resist the theme-park invasion from dying MMOs like WoW! Keep the only sandbox MMO alive! Vote 315 4 CSM8!!! |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2151
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:25:00 -
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Wescro wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:There are a number of things wrong with the assertions being made in other forums, which is a topic I'm sure the author of these posts is familiar with because we discussed them prior to his rather selective reporting of the incident. Here's the facts as we need be concerned from an eve perspective:
1) John was botting. That is not even close to in dispute. 2) We committed an error in not removing the isk before it got to EVE-U. However we did rectify this problem and our logs show that it was discussed and approved prior to either them receiving the isk or petitioning. We apologized to EVE-U however the petition was escalated as high as it could be and the decision remained. We cannot typically share this information with them as it's really none of their business. 3) The only authority higher than the Director of Security for these complaints is the Executive Producer and then the CEO. This is a higher level of escalation than the Customer Service arm and IA automatically looks at our work. I'm not sure why we feel we should be able to escalate higher than the highest reasonable authority but the fact is that this team operates with significant oversight. We believe the issue here to be more that this particular CSM feels he isn't in the loop, something which is quite frankly the only proper way to do business in a unit that handles secrets.
Frankly we're a bit disturbed by the allegations made here given that the person in question waited until they exhausted every resource possible prior to posting this then lamented the lack of an escalation path. Not getting the answer you like isn't a lack of an escalation path and never will be.
Thank you for responding substantively instead of closing the thread. I'm sure everyone here wants to see the right thing done. In this situation it's your word against the players. Is there anyway the playerbase can be given assurance that the process is not arbitrary besides simply asking us to have faith in CCP?
I believe sunshine is the best disinfectant when it can be used. Aside from showing you logs which include private communications and trade secrets I'm not sure how this could be done. This is why we're in this position in the first place. It's easy to insinuate misconduct when you know we're in a position where we can't put our stuff on the table. It's also petty. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Thur Barbek
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:26:00 -
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Wescro wrote: Thank you for responding substantively instead of closing the thread. I'm sure everyone here wants to see the right thing done. In this situation it's your word against the players. Is there anyway the playerbase can be given assurance that the process is not arbitrary besides simply asking us to have faith in CCP?
CCP Sreegs already said they knew 100% that john was botting. I don't get why deciding to punish him would be an "arbitrary" decision.
edit: Your just mad that you lost out on 300b |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2347
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:27:00 -
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Le Badass wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote: It was allowing him to update 30 market order per minute for up to 20 minutes per day. No person can do that unassisted. His ban was justified as he was basically botting.
Good point... The only defense to this is to say that at least, John didn't seem fully aware that he fell into this category, as he apparently voluntarily provided CCP with the source code and program descriptions of his programs. Doesn't make it ok, though. Too bad E-Uni couldn't have the ISK to do good with. Maybe next time.
There is no defense as everyone has access to the EULA. Ignorance is not a valid defense & CCP have both the right & responsibility to remove ill-gotten goods from the game. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Lovely Dumplings
Lambda Mining
63
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:27:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:There are a number of things wrong with the assertions being made in other forums, which is a topic I'm sure the author of these posts is familiar with because we discussed them prior to his rather selective reporting of the incident. Here's the facts as we need be concerned from an eve perspective:
1) John was botting. That is not even close to in dispute.
Stopped reading there, good enough for me. We should be encouraging CCP to take care of more bots, TBH. As I'm seeing the argument:
1. "John" did something grey area that CCP defined as botting, and passed the bot smell test (30 updates a minute, geeze) 2. "john" liquidated his dirty assets, handed to EUNI. 3. EUNI duders mad coz CCP confiscated dirty ISK
Props on EUNI for doing due diligence and keeping that ISK separate. Props for security team for weeding out another botter.
I support James 315, and mine according to the-áTHE NEW HALAIMA CODE. Vote James 315, the CSM Rep Highsec needs. www.minerbumping.com |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
752
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:27:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Only in a creepy shadow world where nobody in our chain can be trusted. In this case none of us would be employable by anyone so while it might make for interesting eve news tinfoil fodder it really doesn't have much basis in reality. I wonder how all the unemployable sobs working at corporations that see the need to have Internal Affairs/Internal Investigations report directly to the board (as is standard practice to prevent management from influencing their work) got their jobs... I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
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Orbital Dyke
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:28:00 -
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It seems that john was a well known player rather than a corp-less disposable botting alt
Its possible that from the very start of this escapade the CCP Representative(s) handling this case have ultimately got it wrong
CCP 1 EVE-U 0
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Wescro
Tash-Murkon Amalgamated Security
238
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:28:00 -
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Thur Barbek wrote:Wescro wrote: Thank you for responding substantively instead of closing the thread. I'm sure everyone here wants to see the right thing done. In this situation it's your word against the players. Is there anyway the playerbase can be given assurance that the process is not arbitrary besides simply asking us to have faith in CCP?
CCP Sreegs already said they knew 100% that john was botting. I don't get why deciding to punish him would be an "arbitrary" decision.
Because that would require having faith in CCPs assertion that they are 100% sure, which I don't have a problem with, just that it'd be nice to have additional assurance.
I will go and edit my OP now to tone down the accusations, I feel they were exaggerated. James 315-á-áis the only pro-sandbox candidate running for CSM 8. Resist the theme-park invasion from dying MMOs like WoW! Keep the only sandbox MMO alive! Vote 315 4 CSM8!!! |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2157
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:29:00 -
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Thur Barbek wrote:Wescro wrote: Thank you for responding substantively instead of closing the thread. I'm sure everyone here wants to see the right thing done. In this situation it's your word against the players. Is there anyway the playerbase can be given assurance that the process is not arbitrary besides simply asking us to have faith in CCP?
CCP Sreegs already said they knew 100% that john was botting. I don't get why deciding to punish him would be an "arbitrary" decision.
I think this situation really cuts to the core of actual misconduct. In this case we're actually being asked to treat EVE-U differently, which would by nature be misconduct. Our actions in this regard show exactly the opposite. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
14
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:29:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:I'm very sure that you can't modify 30 orders within a minute - whether with macros or by hand.
You can use the in-game browser to display market data, which makes it a trivial task to write software that detects when you need to update you orders. All you need to do is use javascript to cycle trough the item you want to sell, this updates the local cache which you can parse to get the items sell prices. From there on all you need to do is verify the weather or not you have the lowest price.
You can list the correct price need to undercut by .1 isk, or maybe even manipulate the copy/paste buffer directly to contain the correct value. In the end all you need to do is find the correct order, edit and paste the value. It probably takes more then 2 sec for reach order, but you can do a lot of orders each minute.
This is a public know and legal way of managing market orders.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2347
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:32:00 -
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Orbital Dyke wrote:It seems that john was a well known player rather than a corp-less disposable botting alt
Its possible that from the very start of this escapade the CCP Representative(s) handling this case have ultimately got it wrong
Except for the whole fact that John was botting. I personally don't care how well respected in the community someone is or which alliance they're from, if they get caught breaking the rules they should be punished in the same way as anyone else would. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Mai Khumm
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
445
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:32:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Frankly we're a bit disturbed by the allegations made here given that the person in question waited until they exhausted every resource possible prior to posting this then lamented the lack of an escalation path. Not getting the answer you like isn't a lack of an escalation path and never will be. With this games interesting.......history, do you REALLY blame half the allegations made. I mean, all of them, not just in this thread. While I'm not trying to slide things under a rug, yes basing an allegation against my team on a single act of misconduct 7 years ago is pretty insane. I meant ever, with everything, not just that one time 7 years ago.
There's alot of them that crop up, mainly in the "Tinfoil hat community" which is unfairly treated btw... *insert witty saying here* twitter - @AzamiNevinyrall |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2157
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:33:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:I'm very sure that you can't modify 30 orders within a minute - whether with macros or by hand. You can use the in-game browser to display market data, which makes it a trivial task to write software that detects when you need to update you orders. All you need to do is use javascript to cycle trough the item you want to sell, this updates the local cache which you can parse to get the items sell prices. From there on all you need to do is verify the weather or not you have the lowest price. You can list the correct price need to undercut by .1 isk, or maybe even manipulate the copy/paste buffer directly to contain the correct value. In the end all you need to do is find the correct order, edit and paste the value. It probably takes more then 2 sec for reach order, but you can do a lot of orders each minute. This is a public know and legal way of managing market orders.
I would not recommend anyone do this and I'd ask that you not tell our players what you consider to be legal. The EULA does a decent enough job of that and is contrary to your statement. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2157
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:34:00 -
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Mai Khumm wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Frankly we're a bit disturbed by the allegations made here given that the person in question waited until they exhausted every resource possible prior to posting this then lamented the lack of an escalation path. Not getting the answer you like isn't a lack of an escalation path and never will be. With this games interesting.......history, do you REALLY blame half the allegations made. I mean, all of them, not just in this thread. While I'm not trying to slide things under a rug, yes basing an allegation against my team on a single act of misconduct 7 years ago is pretty insane. I meant ever, with everything, not just that one time 7 years ago. There's alot of them that crop up, mainly in the "Tinfoil hat community" which is unfairly treated btw...
The only allegation that I can recall with any substance was that one. Whether the paranoid conspiracy theory community has had a separate trial process and decided other crazy batshit insane garbage was true I can't attest to as I don't subscribe to that mailing list and instead deal in the realm of fact. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
752
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:35:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Thur Barbek wrote:Wescro wrote: Thank you for responding substantively instead of closing the thread. I'm sure everyone here wants to see the right thing done. In this situation it's your word against the players. Is there anyway the playerbase can be given assurance that the process is not arbitrary besides simply asking us to have faith in CCP?
CCP Sreegs already said they knew 100% that john was botting. I don't get why deciding to punish him would be an "arbitrary" decision. I think this situation really cuts to the core of actual misconduct. In this case we're actually being asked to treat EVE-U differently, which would by nature be misconduct. Our actions in this regard show exactly the opposite. the actual misconduct was not removing John's isk while he was banned (which also allowed E UNI to get their hopes up) - being warned that his botting had become unfeasible he could easily have RMTed all his ISK before you managed to confiscate it. I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Orbital Dyke
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:35:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Orbital Dyke wrote:It seems that john was a well known player rather than a corp-less disposable botting alt
Its possible that from the very start of this escapade the CCP Representative(s) handling this case have ultimately got it wrong Except for the whole fact that John was botting. I personally don't care how well respected in the community someone is, if they get caught breaking the rules they should be punished in the same way as anyone else would.
He wasnt botting CCP interpreted his actions as botting because they didnt understand what he was actually doing in theory 'attack what you dont understand' in this case
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2170
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:37:00 -
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Orbital Dyke wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Orbital Dyke wrote:It seems that john was a well known player rather than a corp-less disposable botting alt
Its possible that from the very start of this escapade the CCP Representative(s) handling this case have ultimately got it wrong Except for the whole fact that John was botting. I personally don't care how well respected in the community someone is, if they get caught breaking the rules they should be punished in the same way as anyone else would. He wasnt botting CCP interpreted his actions as botting because they didnt understand what he was actually doing in theory 'attack what you dont understand' in this case
I'm pretty sure we define botting. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2351
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:37:00 -
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Orbital Dyke wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Orbital Dyke wrote:It seems that john was a well known player rather than a corp-less disposable botting alt
Its possible that from the very start of this escapade the CCP Representative(s) handling this case have ultimately got it wrong Except for the whole fact that John was botting. I personally don't care how well respected in the community someone is, if they get caught breaking the rules they should be punished in the same way as anyone else would. He wasnt botting CCP interpreted his actions as botting because they didnt understand what he was actually doing in theory 'attack what you dont understand' in this case
Please enlighten us all as to how updating market orders faster than a human can possibly do it by themselves is not botting. It's pretty clear cut in the rules. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2169
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:38:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Thur Barbek wrote:Wescro wrote: Thank you for responding substantively instead of closing the thread. I'm sure everyone here wants to see the right thing done. In this situation it's your word against the players. Is there anyway the playerbase can be given assurance that the process is not arbitrary besides simply asking us to have faith in CCP?
CCP Sreegs already said they knew 100% that john was botting. I don't get why deciding to punish him would be an "arbitrary" decision. I think this situation really cuts to the core of actual misconduct. In this case we're actually being asked to treat EVE-U differently, which would by nature be misconduct. Our actions in this regard show exactly the opposite. the actual misconduct as far as I can tell was not removing John's isk while he was banned (which also allowed E UNI to get their hopes up) - being warned by the ban that his botting had become unfeasible he could have easily RMTed all his ISK before you managed to confiscate it.
Misconduct insinuates malicious intent. That's not the case here.
If he'd RMT'd his isk that would have been a much better scenario for us as we wouldn't be having this conversation and we'd have caught more badguys. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
14
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:39:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Dante Uisen wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:I'm very sure that you can't modify 30 orders within a minute - whether with macros or by hand. You can use the in-game browser to display market data, which makes it a trivial task to write software that detects when you need to update you orders. All you need to do is use javascript to cycle trough the item you want to sell, this updates the local cache which you can parse to get the items sell prices. From there on all you need to do is verify the weather or not you have the lowest price. You can list the correct price need to undercut by .1 isk, or maybe even manipulate the copy/paste buffer directly to contain the correct value. In the end all you need to do is find the correct order, edit and paste the value. It probably takes more then 2 sec for reach order, but you can do a lot of orders each minute. This is a public know and legal way of managing market orders. I would not recommend anyone do this and I'd ask that you not tell our players what you consider to be legal. The EULA does a decent enough job of that and is contrary to your statement.
This has been discussed before on the official forums, where dev/gm posts said this method was not against the rules as the player edits the market order. |
Whitehound
752
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:39:00 -
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Wescro wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:I'm very sure that you can't modify 30 orders within a minute - whether with macros or by hand. I bet you can, under the right circumstances (not Jita). Go to "my orders" Double-click - 0.13 seconds Roll mousewheel up/down once - 0.10 seconds Press enter - 0.15 seconds Move mouse to next order - 0.68 seconds Use the remaining one second to account for UI delay and develop arthritis. You leave out the step where you look up the price you want to enter and type it into the field before pressing ENTER.
This alone takes more than 2 seconds.
I always make sure I get the digits right or else I might enter a ridiculous amount and make a massive loss. This guy must have been using some tool to be entering the right price this fast. SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |
Lovely Dumplings
Lambda Mining
64
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:39:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:I think this situation really cuts to the core of actual misconduct. In this case we're actually being asked to treat EVE-U differently, which would by nature be misconduct. Our actions in this regard show exactly the opposite.
We're all kinda tapdancing around it, but this player thanks you for that. Too many folks tend to lead weight to "e-bushido" in EVE. Doesn't matter if you're the CEO of the premier most helpful newbieloving alliance in the game, or a downright dirty scummy e-pirate, we all need to be equal when it comes to EULA enforcement.
And, really, if I were running something against EULA in game, the first place I'd hide is in the "good" group. "Such a great guy would never harm a fly best pals for 30 years must be a conspiracy" seems to come up often in RL trials too. I support James 315, and mine according to the-áTHE NEW HALAIMA CODE. Vote James 315, the CSM Rep Highsec needs. www.minerbumping.com |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2169
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:39:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Dante Uisen wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:I'm very sure that you can't modify 30 orders within a minute - whether with macros or by hand. You can use the in-game browser to display market data, which makes it a trivial task to write software that detects when you need to update you orders. All you need to do is use javascript to cycle trough the item you want to sell, this updates the local cache which you can parse to get the items sell prices. From there on all you need to do is verify the weather or not you have the lowest price. You can list the correct price need to undercut by .1 isk, or maybe even manipulate the copy/paste buffer directly to contain the correct value. In the end all you need to do is find the correct order, edit and paste the value. It probably takes more then 2 sec for reach order, but you can do a lot of orders each minute. This is a public know and legal way of managing market orders. I would not recommend anyone do this and I'd ask that you not tell our players what you consider to be legal. The EULA does a decent enough job of that and is contrary to your statement. This has been discussed before on the official forums, where dev/gm posts said this method was not against the rules as the player edits the market order.
I'd stick to the actual legal agreement you agreed to rather than outdated GM replies. It's a suggestion. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Docter Daniel Jackson
Fleetworks Training
41
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:40:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Dante Uisen wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:I'm very sure that you can't modify 30 orders within a minute - whether with macros or by hand. You can use the in-game browser to display market data, which makes it a trivial task to write software that detects when you need to update you orders. All you need to do is use javascript to cycle trough the item you want to sell, this updates the local cache which you can parse to get the items sell prices. From there on all you need to do is verify the weather or not you have the lowest price. You can list the correct price need to undercut by .1 isk, or maybe even manipulate the copy/paste buffer directly to contain the correct value. In the end all you need to do is find the correct order, edit and paste the value. It probably takes more then 2 sec for reach order, but you can do a lot of orders each minute. This is a public know and legal way of managing market orders. I would not recommend anyone do this and I'd ask that you not tell our players what you consider to be legal. The EULA does a decent enough job of that and is contrary to your statement. This has been discussed before on the official forums, where dev/gm posts said this method was not against the rules as the player edits the market order.
then by all means give up a link to it. |
Mai Khumm
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
445
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:40:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Frankly we're a bit disturbed by the allegations made here given that the person in question waited until they exhausted every resource possible prior to posting this then lamented the lack of an escalation path. Not getting the answer you like isn't a lack of an escalation path and never will be. With this games interesting.......history, do you REALLY blame half the allegations made. I mean, all of them, not just in this thread. While I'm not trying to slide things under a rug, yes basing an allegation against my team on a single act of misconduct 7 years ago is pretty insane. I meant ever, with everything, not just that one time 7 years ago. There's alot of them that crop up, mainly in the "Tinfoil hat community" which is unfairly treated btw... The only allegation that I can recall with any substance was that one. Whether the paranoid conspiracy theory community has had a separate trial process and decided other crazy batshit insane garbage was true I can't attest to as I don't subscribe to that mailing list and instead deal in the realm of fact. There's a mailing list for that? REALLY...??? What is it, I could use a good laugh!
ESP if there's anything about CCP holding Aliens hostage from Planet X, and using their tears to feed the hamsters that you guys have enslaved and drugged using Voltric to keep them in line. *insert witty saying here* twitter - @AzamiNevinyrall |
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:40:00 -
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Heh not the first nor the last time Kelduum protects his staff without even the slightest consideration that they just might be wrong. Nothing against the uni itself, they do a great job for the newbies and a great service for the game overall, but those hypocritical accusations towards CCP are really so misdirected that it's not even funny. |
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