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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
295
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Posted - 2013.02.15 15:13:00 -
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Guilty.....
I unsubbed for over a year, with a large tower anchored in an ideal location in high sec.
When I came back, I had like 5 evemails from a corp asking if I would sell the moon. Then a wardec and a bunch of evemail from the tower saying it was being shot. Must have taken them like 10 hours to take it down based on the "I'm being shot" evemails it sent.
I kinda feel bad.... but, when I emo-rage-quit, I wasn't in the mood to go take the tower down.
And... it was just the tower, so it isn't like they really got anything from the effort other than the moon. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
295
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Posted - 2013.02.15 15:15:00 -
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La'Krul wrote: 1. Just nothing complicated about the timer. POS runs out of fuel, self-destruct countdown starts. How could anything be easier?
2. I agree, that's why I said it should be a self destruct, to protect the tower market.
I wouldn't care if it was a two day timer, two week timer, whatever.
Not just run out of fuel. Manually taken offline should also start the unanchor timer.
The moon I left occupied, the tower still had fuel. I'd just taken it offline a week or so before I quit the game. |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
228
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Posted - 2013.02.15 15:16:00 -
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i coudl have sworn that CCP was going to working on an entirely new POS system from the ground up, of course correct me if im wrong folks, but i would rather wait for this new system than waste time on the old system if anew one is on the way. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
295
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Posted - 2013.02.15 15:23:00 -
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ITTigerClawIK wrote:i coudl have sworn that CCP was going to working on an entirely new POS system from the ground up, of course correct me if im wrong folks, but i would rather wait for this new system than waste time on the old system if anew one is on the way.
In the CSM minutes, they said they'd worked on a prototype, but that they discovered it would take every developer they have, a full 6 month release cycle, and NOTHING else would get done, and they thought that would crush them under a wave of unahppy players complaining that there was not enough new content in the release.
So, the POS total redesign is on hold until.... Probably until sometime after we can actually leave our captains quarters and walk in station. |
Pewty McPew
Pillage Plunder And Rape Industries
186
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Posted - 2013.02.15 15:37:00 -
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La'Krul wrote:Thanks, you managed to quote my post but clearly haven't read either it or the rest of the thread. Your response is fantastically unintelligent as a result. I still have yet to hear a legitimate argument against this idea. Anyone else who wants to rant on about "lazinessGÇ¥ can do it elsewhere - it's not relevant to the discussion and it's not a basis for the proposed change. Take your time, read through the advantages I've listed, engage brain and then comment.
And as for Eve not being a game for me, B**ch please! I was here before you and I'll be here after you've gone.
Oh I read it alright, I just think you are completely wrong. Why fix something that isn't broke? Of all the things about a POS that need fixing, the way it is anchored/unanchored is not one of them.
Anyone is capable of taking down a POS, what's the problem with making them work for it? I stand by my statement that you appear to want an easy mode for acquiring a POS spot, If you want one get off your lazy ass and go get one. The same goes for anyone wanting a spot, they sould have to work for it.
You want my POS spot "Come and try to take it." Let's not further pander to players who want everything handed to them on a silver platter and are afraid of actually having to go through some ammo to get it.
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ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
228
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Posted - 2013.02.15 15:44:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:ITTigerClawIK wrote:i coudl have sworn that CCP was going to working on an entirely new POS system from the ground up, of course correct me if im wrong folks, but i would rather wait for this new system than waste time on the old system if anew one is on the way. In the CSM minutes, they said they'd worked on a prototype, but that they discovered it would take every developer they have, a full 6 month release cycle, and NOTHING else would get done, and they thought that would crush them under a wave of unahppy players complaining that there was not enough new content in the release. So, the POS total redesign is on hold until.... Probably until sometime after we can actually leave our captains quarters and walk in station.
ahhh right, tbh i would still be insanely happy with a full release with just the POS revamp, cause it would effect most folks and the system is in dire need of an overhaul anyway,
i think it would be an idea to ask for a vote on it tbh |
Lascivit Mercator
17
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Posted - 2013.02.15 15:58:00 -
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I know this is really dumb and its probably already been brought up in some form, but I would freakin love the ability to connect ships to a POS in a way that allows them to act as POS gunner... but it would need some mechanic to allow ships inside a pos to take splash damage
Voltron up in this mah
I like to multiply with sheep |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3558
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Posted - 2013.02.15 16:06:00 -
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I think that a logical progression would be as follows, assuming that to maintain it's "anchor" a POS must have at least some reserve power left that will eventually deplete.
1: Fuel runs out or is manually taken offline: Shields go down immediately. Reinforcement still depends of having the correct materials present.
2: 72 hours after going offline the tower unanchors and begins to "drift" towards it's moon. In an unanchored state (completely out of even reserve power) the POS control tower can be hacked and control (ownership) established by the hackers corp. This means full ownership, passwords reset, all assets are now his. This "hackable" state lasts from the time the POS unanchors until the POS is either brought back on line or is destroyed (either by force or by impacting it's moon).
3: 24 hours after the tower unanchors it impacts the moons surface and is destroyed alone with all assets contained therein.
So in essence, if you run out of fuel or abandon your POS (and it goes offline) you have 72 hours (without shields up) to realize your mistake or change your mind before it unanchors and can be hacked. If the POS remains unhacked or is not destroyed for 24 hours it is assumed to drift from orbit and is destroyed automatcially, probably at down time.
This provides time to correct accidents with refueling schedules. This gives a window of opportunity to more easily destroy an unpowered POS, or hack it to claim it as your own. If no one notices or cares about this POS, then it is eventually destroyed (in a logical manner) and removed from the system.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
804
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Posted - 2013.02.15 16:12:00 -
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Only sensible points made are that these things unanchor after an hour when not fueled. Loved the concept of being able to hack them.
Having them vanish rewards the lazy, not the brave.
War dec for null/low sec stuff? You need to undock more often. I think the CO2 levels in your high sec station ate dangerously high
It's a good start. These things aren't part of sov any more. Remove their special case protections.
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
355
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Posted - 2013.02.15 18:34:00 -
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Just get some domis, slap on a few drone damage amplifiers, plus the sentry drone damage rigs, and shoot the abandoned towers with sentry drones. Can even do this AFK. And won't even cost any isk in ammo. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
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La'Krul
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
18
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Posted - 2013.02.15 19:01:00 -
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Pewty McPew wrote:La'Krul wrote:Thanks, you managed to quote my post but clearly haven't read either it or the rest of the thread. Your response is fantastically unintelligent as a result. I still have yet to hear a legitimate argument against this idea. Anyone else who wants to rant on about "lazinessGÇ¥ can do it elsewhere - it's not relevant to the discussion and it's not a basis for the proposed change. Take your time, read through the advantages I've listed, engage brain and then comment.
And as for Eve not being a game for me, B**ch please! I was here before you and I'll be here after you've gone. Oh I read it alright, I just think you are completely wrong. Why fix something that isn't broke? Of all the things about a POS that need fixing, the way it is anchored/unanchored is not one of them. Anyone is capable of taking down a POS, what's the problem with making them work for it? I stand by my statement that you appear to want an easy mode for acquiring a POS spot, If you want one get off your lazy ass and go get one. The same goes for anyone wanting a spot, they sould have to work for it. You want my POS spot "Come and try to take it." Let's not further pander to players who want everything handed to them on a silver platter and are afraid of actually having to go through some ammo to get it.
You might be reading but you're still not understanding. I don'tseem to be able to get it across to you that I already have a high sec POS and am not looking for a lazy way to play. And yes, if I want to take your POS then a war dec is the answer of course. But I'm talking about taking the POS from someone not even in the game anymore. If you don't like lazy, what would you call a situation where someone has a POS then quits for 6 months and comes back to Eve only to find their POS still waiting for them? How lazy is that?
And what is the benefit gameplay-wise to grinding through offline towers? It's boring and timeconsuming - it's not challenging it's just a big grind. Wouldn't it be better to enable everyone to know when a tower is going to unanchor and then have a scrap for who can anchor the new POS? Isn't that just better gameplay? |
Google Voices
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2013.02.15 19:20:00 -
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La'Krul wrote:So CCP are going to touch POSes to some extent this summer - as yet we don't know how. So, here is the first thing they should do in my opinion that would have a large and positive effect on the game:
When a POS runs out of fuel, a 48 hr timer starts to countdown, after which the tower unanchors.
Simple, effective, won't require much coding.
At present there are hundreds and hundreds of offline anchored POS towers littering high-sec, this is preventing new players in particular from setting up their own POSes. A rookie 2 man corp really isn't going to want to spend an entire weekend shooting at a large tower with cruisers, just so they can use the space, and they shouldn't have to.
Yes, I know all about the war dec system but the purpose of it should be to forceably remove other players from their territory, not so that you can remove the unused relics of people who no stopped playing the game years ago.
Furthermore, it would create a whole new profession in the game - "POS hunting". It could be super profitable to find an offline (and unanchored) tower surrounded by assembly arrays and labs. A player could make his fortune with a lucky find.
I can't see any drawback to this, it would make sense from a mechanics and lore perspective (would Concord really allow space to be commandeered but unused), it would be fair to new players and would help to maintain the concept of Eve as a game with consequences. It would also create some great stories and tears.
Make it happen CCP!
Posting in a "I'm too lazy to wardec anyone and pop their tower thread?"
And 48 hrs is a joke, 30 days maybe...
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Hevymetal
Players United Terrorizing Random Rocks
57
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Posted - 2013.02.15 19:44:00 -
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La'Krul wrote: If you don't like lazy, what would you call a situation where someone has a POS then quits for 6 months and comes back to Eve only to find their POS still waiting for them? How lazy is that?
Wouldn't call it lazy, I would call it "Lucky".
If you are gonna go afk for 6 months and return expecting your offline tower to be there waiting for you. Don't be to disappointed when you find out you were decced and the tower removed 3 months ago.
Quote: And what is the benefit gameplay-wise to grinding through offline towers? It's boring and timeconsuming - it's not challenging it's just a big grind.
So is mining but people still do it. The reward is the spot itself after the tower is cleared.
Quote:Wouldn't it be better to enable everyone to know when a tower is going to unanchor and then have a scrap for who can anchor the new POS? Isn't that just better gameplay?
No, It isn't better gameplay. It's just whoever can spam the anchor button on their tower the fastest after the tower is released.
As said the easy approach. I realize you don't need a spot but if anyone else does they should have to work for it. Even if the work is, as you say, boring and timeconsuming. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
2773
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Posted - 2013.02.16 00:48:00 -
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Crexa wrote:I don't believe for ONE SECOND, that supporters in this thread want POSes gone to "clean" up the server. Just post that you want them gone because you have a reason to put a tower where another exists. I have no interest in owning a POS.
Now selling a POS is a different story. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
ST0NER SMURF
Vrix Nation
38
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Posted - 2013.02.16 11:11:00 -
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there also ppl around wardeccing ppl to smash there ofline towers and have nice profits, so a selfdestruct timer would kill that kind of life,
what would be nice is that the shield and shieldrecharge would be gone, then everyone can pop them pretty fast
when ya online a tower it starts at 50% shields, but a ofline tower has 100% shield and stil has its shieldrecharge ______________________________________________________________________-á
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Sabotaged
Angels and Demons Inc. Mordus Angels
29
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Posted - 2013.03.08 12:19:00 -
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If a POS runs out of fuel and the shield goes down, anyone should be able to unachor the tower and it's modules. Why we currently cannot do this, is beyond understanding.
I've seen some in WH's and was disappointed when I couldn't unachor the modules, how do you take someones POS, you havd to destroy it? I think that is a waste. |
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
295
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Posted - 2013.03.08 12:38:00 -
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La'Krul wrote:So CCP are going to touch POSes to some extent this summer - as yet we don't know how. So, here is the first thing they should do in my opinion that would have a large and positive effect on the game:
When a POS runs out of fuel, a 48 hr timer starts to countdown, after which the tower unanchors.
Simple, effective, won't require much coding.
At present there are hundreds and hundreds of offline anchored POS towers littering high-sec, this is preventing new players in particular from setting up their own POSes. A rookie 2 man corp really isn't going to want to spend an entire weekend shooting at a large tower with cruisers, just so they can use the space, and they shouldn't have to.
Yes, I know all about the war dec system but the purpose of it should be to forceably remove other players from their territory, not so that you can remove the unused relics of people who no stopped playing the game years ago.
Furthermore, it would create a whole new profession in the game - "POS hunting". It could be super profitable to find an offline (and unanchored) tower surrounded by assembly arrays and labs. A player could make his fortune with a lucky find.
I can't see any drawback to this, it would make sense from a mechanics and lore perspective (would Concord really allow space to be commandeered but unused), it would be fair to new players and would help to maintain the concept of Eve as a game with consequences. It would also create some great stories and tears.
Make it happen CCP!
There is already a system in place for that.
You want a POS spot? Wardec the corp, bash the tower, take the spot, problem solved..
Don't be a lazy ****. You want the spot, Work for it.
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March rabbit
No Name No Pain
585
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Posted - 2013.03.08 12:52:00 -
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Crexa wrote:I don't believe for ONE SECOND, that supporters in this thread want POSes gone to "clean" up the server. Just post that you want them gone because you have a reason to put a tower where another exists. personally i can't be arsed to maintain POS. However i would like to find, take and sell some abandoned towers....
Full support to unanchor once out of fuel. |
Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance MinTek Conglomerate
99
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Posted - 2013.03.08 12:57:00 -
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make the anchoring of large objects like POS require fuel to maintain. Add a reserve fuel bay to the POS which will hold say 48 hours worth of fuel. Whilst the tower is anchored but offline it burns fuel from it's reserve bay to remain anchored. Whilst online it does not need to burn extra fuel to remain anchored. Once it's fuel is depleted it un-anchores and is free for anyone to scoop. |
Angelique Duchemin
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
167
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Posted - 2013.03.08 13:11:00 -
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I support the idea that they should decay over time. Without a shield or any systems running the POS would be showered with radiation and space junk like smaller meteors.
We don't need to add a random number of POSes and materials into the economy by making them lootable. Just have them explode from the reduced structural integrity after a set number of months without activity. The Battle of Wizna. Like the movie 300 but with worse odds and the Germans as the attackers. |
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Mathrin
Synthetic Solution Synthetic Systems
68
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Posted - 2013.03.08 14:53:00 -
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Some people just want an easy ride.
The argument of "but it'll take 2 of use hours to take it down in our cruisers" doesn't stand with me either.
Get more friends, get bigger ships.
Use a bunch of gank fit Oracles with T1 crystals and semi-afk it if you're really that lazy.[/quote]
Yeah, such an easy ride. Grinding up the standings, training the skills, researching the BPOs, getting cheap datacores, minerals, etc, then building items and withstanding market fluctuations to be able to sell them for a profit, all whilst having to afford to set up, fuel and possibly defend the POS.
Yep, it's certainly easy! Better then to allow people who haven't played the game for literally years to still dictate whether a new player is capable of entering industry on a meaningful level!
Please understand, I am in null-sec and can put up as many POSes as I want, I also have one in high sec. It's not really about me - it's more of a benefit for newer players who as yet lack the power and infrastructure to go around declaring wars and shooting POSes. And, as I have said before, they shouldn't have to. It's a ridiculous mechanic that redundant POSes simply linger ad infinitum. Personally, I would like to benefit from other people's carelessness and steal their POS goods - it's the sort of accountability that Eve was built on.
In addition to that, I have listed several other real improvements to the game as a result of the self-destructing offline POS. In return, no-one has thus far put forth a credible argument against, aside from "I'm a miserable, bitter old vet and I don't like change". I hope CCP seriously consider this idea. [/quote]
The reason is simple. This won't help new players as they'd still have to have faction standings of atleast 5 to anchor a tower. No new player will have that. |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
912
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Posted - 2013.03.08 15:37:00 -
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La'Krul wrote:So CCP are going to touch POSes to some extent this summer - as yet we don't know how. So, here is the first thing they should do in my opinion that would have a large and positive effect on the game:
When a POS runs out of fuel, a 48 hr timer starts to countdown, after which the tower unanchors.
Simple, effective, won't require much coding.
At present there are hundreds and hundreds of offline anchored POS towers littering high-sec, this is preventing new players in particular from setting up their own POSes. A rookie 2 man corp really isn't going to want to spend an entire weekend shooting at a large tower with cruisers, just so they can use the space, and they shouldn't have to.
Yes, I know all about the war dec system but the purpose of it should be to forceably remove other players from their territory, not so that you can remove the unused relics of people who no stopped playing the game years ago.
Furthermore, it would create a whole new profession in the game - "POS hunting". It could be super profitable to find an offline (and unanchored) tower surrounded by assembly arrays and labs. A player could make his fortune with a lucky find.
I can't see any drawback to this, it would make sense from a mechanics and lore perspective (would Concord really allow space to be commandeered but unused), it would be fair to new players and would help to maintain the concept of Eve as a game with consequences. It would also create some great stories and tears.
Make it happen CCP!
1: Damn you got my hopes up sadly its just crystal ball stuff, you have no actual information that they *will* touch POS's.
2: There is still plenty of space left to anchor POS's
3: Why, because I have some serious RL stuff going on right now, should I not be allowed to have my POS anchored but not used?
4: Get a few of people together and shoot the POS after a war dec down your self. You want that POS down do it your self, with all the consequences and hard work that comes with it. You just want to have someone/new game mechanic do the work for you. You have all the tools ready to take unused POS's down. Does that work take time? Yes, but that also means you don't get something for doing virtually nothing.
5: Concord doesn't give a crap about space junk floating around.
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Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
304
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Posted - 2013.03.08 16:40:00 -
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Great idea, which i fully support. Don't really care about the nuts and bolts of how long it should take, but the key point should be that the tower unanchors after a period of time unfueled. I think we can all agree the amount of deserted POS' is high, they're all over the show! I've deliberately not destroyed the one left in my wormhole, in the hopes that one day such a change would occur.
Though im not completely convinced CCP will be changing POS mechanics. Not heard anything regarding it for ages, and they generally take a long time to get things done. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
474
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:08:00 -
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30 days offline and they unanchor. Solves all the issues, gives a reasonable time frame for someone to do something about it.
This 48 hr stuff is the epitome of laziness. If you want the tower gone that bad, kill it. In lowsec or 0.0 it's simple, in Highsec all it takes in a wardec...
I don't like structure grinding anymore than anyone else, but if you think you deserve that moon, without any work.....meh.
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