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Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.07.03 00:50:00 - [1] Edited by: Jim Steele on 03/07/2005 00:53:24 You cant use them in empire and in order to fuel them you need racial ice, so this means you ideally have to use the same race ships as there is ice. To me this seems kind of daft, i mean we wont see any mixed fleets in a particular region it will basically be, Gimped. Also if you want to go kill your enemy say the Galante for example you will need to stock up on ice, ok logistically this could be a problem and i know dreads arnt meant to be easy, but i live in detorid, so amarr space is 60+ jumps away, making my amarr bs5 being worthless unless i want to haul ice for a living. Ok getting to the point is they anyway we could convert other races ice into our own ice using some kind of replication device (not 100% efficiency), im new to the whole ice mining thing but i think this way we wouldnt be forced to train for ships we dont want to fly. Real men, play Rugby
Captin Biltmore	Posted - 2005.07.03 00:55:00 - [2] I see this being a problem for Caldari the most. Citadel torps and ice in the cargo hold. Perhaps they will have a fuel hold seperate from the cargo hold, simular to the drone bay.
Andarias	Posted - 2005.07.03 01:22:00 - [3] So, is it confirmed that dreadnoughts will need ice in it's unrefined form to jump?
Tobias Raddick	Posted - 2005.07.03 07:48:00 - [4] I believe TomB's blog states that you'll need the refined form of whatever racial ice suits your DN.
Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.07.03 08:48:00 - [5] Originally by: Andarias So, is it confirmed that dreadnoughts will need ice in it's unrefined form to jump? From TomB's DevBlog Post Originally by: TomB In order for the jump drive to activate, three criteria must be met, which are: Enough capacitor - base jump requires 95% of the capacitor which can be reduced with a skill Enough racial [Ice] Isotopes located in the cargo hold for a given jump (Oxygen Isotopes for Gallente Dreadnought for example) - amount costs per light year and can be reduced with a skill Solar System within jump range seen on the world map in 3D (unflattened view) - jump range of Dreadnoughts can be increased with a skill Real men, play Rugby
Vishnej	Posted - 2005.07.03 08:58:00 - [6] It makes it more of a siege weapon, with an actual supply line required for operation.
HeLlRaIzA666	Posted - 2005.07.03 09:45:00 - [7] there is ice belts in 0.0.......... -------------------------------------------- In War There Are No Runners Up... Image by Denrace
DEVILSENIGMA	Posted - 2005.07.03 09:47:00 - [8] Edited by: DEVILSENIGMA on 03/07/2005 09:47:44 Originally by: Jim Steele Im not sure if "isotopes" means refined or unrefined ice since i have never mined the stuff. It basically gimps you in 0.0, since getting ice out there is a problem, and it gimps you in empire because you cant use them in >0.5 systems. You can mine ice in 0.0 as well not that hard. But you need the right system to offer the type of ice. Also its the isotpoes that will be needed and not the ice. Refining ice gives u isotopes which is what you will need. Amarr - Helium Caldari - Nitrogen Gallente - Oxygen Minmatar - Hydrogen Edits: spelling and grammer ~ [My Blog] \| [Roving Guns Kill List]
Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.07.03 10:10:00 - [9] Originally by: HeLlRaIzA666 there is ice belts in 0.0.......... yeah but its regional which is my point! Real men, play Rugby
BlueSmok	Posted - 2005.07.03 10:17:00 - [10] Uh if your group has a dread it should have a frieghter as well, just make a trip to the desired region, buy enough isotopes to fill up the cargo hold and bring them back... if you run out within a year lemme know.. *Laws to suppress tend to strengthen what they would prohibit. This is the fine point on which all the legal professions of history have based their job security. Bene Gesserit Coda

FireFoxx80	Posted - 2005.07.03 10:20:00 - [11] I think the devs stated that things like dreads would be seriously pre-nerfed on release. Besides, these are meant to be very big and very powerful ships. You don't want every 3month old player going around in them. ex P-TMC If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.07.03 10:32:00 - [12] Considering the size of the cargoholds of these Dreads (10k), maybe it'll be a little less of a problem. Besides if you intend to do a large scale siege op, you'll need atleast one indy with you. Oh, and Amarr using helium.... that must be a joke^^ -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please. Josameto III - Moon 1
slip66	Posted - 2005.07.03 12:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Jim Steele Originally by: HeLlRaIzA666 there is ice belts in 0.0.......... yeah but its regional which is my point! O well, if you cant learn how to adapt and maintain the logistics for it then you prolly should not be flying one. Thats not a jab at you btw. I'm just trying to say its not going to be a ship for you and two interceptors to go around a blow stuff up in. Buy a frighter in empire, bulk order your race ice. Drop off in your area of operations. Use bloackade runner to resupply.
Maxine Stirner	Posted - 2005.07.03 12:55:00 - [14] Dread construction and maintenance will be a corp project, so I imagine stockpiling a little isotope material ought to be a fairly facile concern. Locking Times & Evil Asteroids
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.07.03 13:11:00 - [15] More business for the ice mining contract corps in empire I guess :) "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Andarias	Posted - 2005.07.03 13:37:00 - [16] This is a joke. Isotopes are all 0.15m3. Most dreads have cargo bays aproaching or surpassing indys. Where's the problem?
bfm	Posted - 2005.07.03 14:04:00 - [17] There excist such things as transport corporations end of add
Buraken v2	Posted - 2005.07.03 16:33:00 - [18] this whole topic was made just so he could say he has BS5, i swear by god (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.07.03 19:44:00 - [19] Originally by: Buraken v2 this whole topic was made just so he could say he has BS5, i swear by god lol, nah, but looking at the new map its not going to be that difficult to get ice in, since 0.0 areas are like swiss cheese. Very ill thought out but hey, ill have to work with it. Real men, play Rugby


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