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Doctor Schmerz
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 05:32:00 -
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so, i'm working on some renderings and animations (including ships along people, buildings, etc).. however the scale of the ships really bugs me.
i attached a rendering of the gallente shuttle and while the scale is correct in my scene it just looks so damn big.
Gallente Shuttle Scale Render
the shipview thing in eve says 82 m long axis whatever that means, most sources state the length as 50 or 52 m but i come on 50m for a ship that has only 10m-¦ cargo space but in reality could easily fit a hundred people? are there definite statements from ccp regarding the ship sizes somewhere?
its not really that much of a problem it just always seems kinda ridiculous to me whenever i think about it..
oh btw the planes wingspan is exactly 10 m |
Kaede Kimura
Epsilon Inc STORM.
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Posted - 2011.10.09 05:52:00 -
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EVE has both: bags of holding and bags of unholding. That's right, a bag that's smaller in holding capacity than it's volume. |
Doctor Schmerz
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 05:56:00 -
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Kaede Kimura wrote:EVE has both: bags of holding and bags of unholding. That's right, a bag that's smaller in holding capacity than it's volume.
well thats not reaaaally the point though ;) |
Dario Kaelenter
ACME HARDWARE
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Posted - 2011.10.09 06:00:00 -
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I found these links a while back where someone had already compared ship sizes across a range of ships real and ficitonal ...
http://izlin.free.fr/eve/images/compilation.jpg
http://www.merzo.net/ Non Eve ships tho |
Arklan1
Dunedain Rangers
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Posted - 2011.10.09 06:01:00 -
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flying in space engies are big things, for going ftl, maybe? honestly i don't think there's anything more offcial then what you see in the preview window.
also, great render. |
Dario Kaelenter
ACME HARDWARE
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Posted - 2011.10.09 06:08:00 -
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Or even this one ... http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/SFC/EVE-ships_large.jpg
Tho some ships in Eve seems to be mostly structure and subsystems so may not leave too much space for holding much like people .... especially as they often need to do more than just fly faster than light hehe |
Lord Meriak
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.10.09 06:09:00 -
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Why compare to a light aircraft.
scale v the space shuttle crew of 7.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.09 06:13:00 -
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Doctor Schmerz wrote:the shipview thing in eve says 82 m long axis whatever that means, most sources state the length as 50 or 52 m but i come on 50m for a ship that has only 10m-¦ cargo space but in reality could easily fit a hundred people? are there definite statements from ccp regarding the ship sizes somewhere? For one, long axis doesn't measure anything GÇö it's a pointless and worthless stat that should be ignored. The ship charts people have made from the actual models are far more accurate.
Secondly, how do you know it could easily fit a hundred people? Do you know how much space a pod interface takes? How much space a warp engine requires? How much the sensors and autopilot electronics take? What about crew space and amenities and food and other necessities? Etc etc. These ships can stay in space indefinitely GÇö that's an awful lot of breakfast cereal that needs to be hauledGǪ
Also, this.
With shuttles, it's not all that strange GÇö it becomes really wierd with carriers, which can carry ships umpteen times their size, and with freighters, which are supposed to be dedicated haulers and which only carry a pitiful amount of cargo compared to their enormous bulk. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.10.09 08:44:00 -
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Very nice link!!
Also some great looking (symmetrical) ships on the right side!
And yes I also wondered about the super tiny cargo spaces on EVE ships. Look at for instance (a lot smaller) Star Trek ships that have huge cargo bays that can launch several shuttles. EVE ship's cargo bays seem artificially small in comparison, they're as big as a 30 storey building but with a cargospace not even the size of a single house?! |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.10.09 08:56:00 -
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Arklan1 wrote:flying in space engies are big things, for going ftl, maybe? honestly i don't think there's anything more offcial then what you see in the preview window.
also, great render. And then look at the pod. It can do everything the shuttle can, minus the cargo space, Yet it's only 4m tall.
Makes you wonder how far advanced jove tech actually is.
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Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2011.10.09 08:56:00 -
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Davik Rendar's ship sizes thread |
Doctor Schmerz
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:39:00 -
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yeah i've seen that chart too.. and regarding the technical side, what kind of huge technology there could be in the ship:
the shuttles feel extra wrong since there are frigates that can carry hundrets of m-¦, are as fast and even smaller in size.
and the pricetag? a shuttle costs like 10k, what other thing could you buy for 10k in relation to the scrapmetal value a 50m long ship must actually have.
also the details in the textures suggest smaller ship sizes, they are just not as fine as the scale would need them to be (yeah i know thats due to the maximum texture resolution you can have but still makes it feel off) |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:57:00 -
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Try putting 2 BS's in a carrier.
If we wanted it closer to reality then about the only thing that could go in a carrier would be frigates and shuttles. The Orca and the Rorqual also fail completely when you start break it down.
And even if you could repackage a ship and shove it in. It would take forever to put it back together.
Sometimes it is better not to ask to many questions or pick things apart too much.
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Doctor Schmerz
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 18:48:00 -
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Simetraz wrote: Sometimes it is better not to ask to many questions or pick things apart too much.
yeah i guess |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.09 19:27:00 -
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Doctor Schmerz wrote:Simetraz wrote: Sometimes it is better not to ask to many questions or pick things apart too much.
yeah i guess
Sigh lawn is done. Now that being said, that is internal space. Considering ships are already space worthy. IF the carriers had external docking rigs. THen you could dock a BS or 2 EXTERNALLY
AND MAYBE, YOU LISTENING CCP. Take the pilot and ship along for the ride through a CYNO.
Hmm may time for another post in idea's section. |
Wot I Think
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.09 19:35:00 -
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Fixing sizes would really help the eve "size" issue =) |
ColdCutz
Pwny Nation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 21:58:00 -
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Could you render one of the fighters like that? I'd be really interested in seeing the scale of those ships, maybe even against say an F-16 or X-Wing etc. The important thing with all of those is you have the human figure visible in each to match the scales with one another. From there you can base the Shuttle scale off of that.
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Doctor Schmerz
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 22:06:00 -
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you mean the fighter drones? |
ColdCutz
Pwny Nation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 22:20:00 -
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That's right. The Templar or Dragonfly, etc. |
Doctor Schmerz
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 00:01:00 -
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ok i included a gallente fighter into the rendering:
Gallente Shuttle & Fighter Scale
and that was pretty revealing since the fighter has a little pilot sitting in the cockpit. now the pilot is about 2 times the size of a normal human which means IF a person ingame is supposed to be human sized all the ships would actually be only half the size stated in most documents.
e.g. the gallente shuttle would only be 25 instead of 50 m and it would look something like that:
Gallente Shuttle & Fighter Corrected (Half) Scale
that way it looks much more believable to me |
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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.10 00:14:00 -
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I second that link. Now...if we could just figure out how many stone is a meter...are a meter? Any soccer fans around? Help us out here.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Doctor Schmerz
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 00:24:00 -
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Doctor Schmerz wrote:ok i included a gallente fighter into the rendering: Gallente Shuttle & Fighter Scaleand that was pretty revealing since the fighter has a little pilot sitting in the cockpit. now the pilot is about 2 times the size of a normal human which means IF a person ingame is supposed to be human sized all the ships would actually be only half the size stated in most documents. e.g. the gallente shuttle would only be 25 instead of 50 m and it would look something like that: Gallente Shuttle & Fighter Corrected (Half) Scalethat way it looks much more believable to me
as i just said.. if the characters in eve are human sized this whole chart is completely wrong |
DIsposible Hero
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.10 01:42:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Arklan1 wrote:flying in space engies are big things, for going ftl, maybe? honestly i don't think there's anything more offcial then what you see in the preview window.
also, great render. And then look at the pod. It can do everything the shuttle can, minus the cargo space, Yet it's only 4m tall. Makes you wonder how far advanced jove tech actually is.
Pods are also much slower and contain only one crewmember. I'd imagine the bulk of the shuttle would be the FTL engine + supporting systems, but that still suggests the pods are pretty advanced stuff.
But they're supposed to be. |
ColdCutz
Pwny Nation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 04:17:00 -
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DIsposible Hero wrote:
Pods are also much slower and contain only one crewmember. I'd imagine the bulk of the shuttle would be the FTL engine + supporting systems, but that still suggests the pods are pretty advanced stuff.
But they're supposed to be.
That engine is unbelievably compact when you see the pod cracked open out on the balcony in CQ, but perhaps that's all the engine it needs for such a small vessel. And it's Jove.
Doctor Schmerz wrote:ok i included a gallente fighter into the rendering: Gallente Shuttle & Fighter Scaleand that was pretty revealing since the fighter has a little pilot sitting in the cockpit. now the pilot is about 2 times the size of a normal human which means IF a person ingame is supposed to be human sized all the ships would actually be only half the size stated in most documents. e.g. the gallente shuttle would only be 25 instead of 50 m and it would look something like that: Gallente Shuttle & Fighter Corrected (Half) Scalethat way it looks much more believable to me Excellent to see that it worked. Kind of a shame that the in-game numbers are fudged, but hopefully the model sizes relative to one another would still be reliable.
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ColdCutz
Pwny Nation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 04:51:00 -
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Sub-Cap Chart: http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5695/eveshipssubcaptyrannis.jpg
Shuttles: http://i56.tinypic.com/eskcpv.png
Hmmm, yeah somethings not right with that sub-capital chart and the in-game scales. Even with the Caldari shuttle's broader area from the side it shouldn't be over twice the volume of the Amarr shuttle.
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Doctor Schmerz
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 08:08:00 -
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muharrr |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.10 08:20:00 -
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ColdCutz wrote:Shuttles: http://i56.tinypic.com/eskcpv.pngHmmm, yeah somethings not right with that sub-capital chart and the in-game scales. Even with the Caldari shuttle's broader area from the side it shouldn't be over twice the volume of the Amarr shuttle. It's not twice the volume. What makes you say that? It's twice the length, which is consistent with what the chart shows (although it's hard to pick out all the tiny prongs at that resolution). GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
ColdCutz
Pwny Nation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 11:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:It's not twice the volume. What makes you say that? It's twice the length, which is consistent with what the chart shows (although it's hard to pick out all the tiny prongs at that resolution). A rough visual estimate based on the length. I have to correct myself either way - after checking in-game, the Caldari shuttle is in fact substantially bigger than the Amarr one just as the chart shows. I'm honestly surprised at that, I thought they would've all been close to the same size. |
Y Berion
Spinal Discipline
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Posted - 2011.10.10 11:29:00 -
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I would say that CCP has just thrown those numbers without putting too much thinking into it, also because 1 km long ship sounds a lot cooler than, say, 200 meters. IMO all ships in EVE should be decreased in size (numerically-wise) by factor of 2, probably even more. |
Doctor Schmerz
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 14:43:00 -
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yeah by a factor of two sounds reasonable!
but then all those charts comparing eve ships to other movie/tv space ships would look much less appealing to us.. |
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