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CCP Ytterbium
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.10 09:57:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: snip
Yes, Caldari Hybrid ships are now in a much better state than they were before - please check the date of the post I quoted, it's back from 2011 around Crucible deployment, before we started the tiericide
On a bright side note for missile users though, when we start rebalancing Battleships we will need to look into Cruise missiles and Torpedos as well, as both the Raven and Typhoon will heavily depend on them. |
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OffBeaT
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:04:00 -
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Yess,, We do. you Da Man! |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
345
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:07:00 -
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DrunkenNinja wrote:Because missile users don't have a "T3" BC?
Use turrets then.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6901
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:11:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: snip Yes, Caldari Hybrid ships are now in a much better state than they were before - please check the date of the post I quoted, it's back from 2011 around Crucible deployment, before we started the tiericide On a bright side note for missile users though, when we start rebalancing Battleships we will need to look into Cruise missiles and Torpedos as well, as both the Raven and Typhoon will heavily depend on them.
This should be exciting - I'd love for the torp boats to become viable in PvP again
A good first step would be to review the reason for short range missile launchers to be harder to fit than long range missile launchers. I've never seen a serious explaination for this. Short range turrets are all considerably lighter on fittings than their long range equivalents, and it's generally assumed that this is because short-range turrets implicitly mean committing to the fight, and also being in energy neut range, so the llighter fittings leave more room for tank, cap injectors and so on.
But apparently this consideration doesn't apply to medium & large missile launchers, and it's the long range boats that need more fitting space, for some reason.
And finally, there's the infamous 'Caldari penalty' that applies to almost all the original Caldari ships: "Caldari role bonus: -25% reduction of powergrid"
Raven, 6 missile slots: 9500 base PG Typhoon, 5 missile slots: 12500 base PG
Why should the Raven have 3000 less PG than the Typhoon? I have never heard a plausible explaination. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
OffBeaT
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:21:00 -
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We need too solo fight more people to understand how out of whack some of these BS with Cruse on them are vs. anything. they are not just out off balance they are out of whack is more the term to use, so I hope they are going to do these fixes that are worth something.. I cant fly any cal BS anymore.. I gotta eject them these days.. I am ashamed to fly a cal bs.. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6901
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:37:00 -
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OffBeaT wrote:We need too solo fight more people to understand how out of whack some of these BS with Cruse on them are vs. anything. they are not just out off balance they are out of whack is more the term to use, so I hope they are going to do these fixes that are worth something.. I cant fly any cal BS anymore.. I gotta eject them these days.. I am ashamed to fly a cal bs..
The Rokh is pretty good as a fleet ship. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
3153
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Posted - 2013.01.10 12:01:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:OffBeaT wrote:We need too solo fight more people to understand how out of whack some of these BS with Cruse on them are vs. anything. they are not just out off balance they are out of whack is more the term to use, so I hope they are going to do these fixes that are worth something.. I cant fly any cal BS anymore.. I gotta eject them these days.. I am ashamed to fly a cal bs.. The Rokh is pretty good as a fleet ship. So is the Scorpion. But neither of those are missile ships, and the Scorpion isn't even really intended as a DPS platform anyway. Not that I personally have any problem with that. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
30
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Posted - 2013.01.10 12:13:00 -
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GallowsCalibrator wrote: I do still want a 8 launcher ship at some point though just to cover it with festival launchers and light up the sky.
If the Golem just weren't as expensive as it is now... There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
FluffyDice
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
455
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Posted - 2013.01.10 12:20:00 -
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I remember testing the Naga with torps when it first hit singularity. It was terrible. |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
32
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Posted - 2013.01.10 12:33:00 -
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Something I could never understand, why just give it bonuses to the torps? Why couldn't it have been able to fit Cruise or Torps? You can fit Lg Autos or Arty to a Tornado, you can fit Lg Beam or Pulse to an Oracle, you can fit Lg Blasters or Rails to a Talos; but when they first designed the Naga it could only fit Torps, and thereby making it a brawler. It just didn't have the versatility the other tier 3s had at first. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6903
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Posted - 2013.01.10 12:44:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Malcanis wrote:OffBeaT wrote:We need too solo fight more people to understand how out of whack some of these BS with Cruse on them are vs. anything. they are not just out off balance they are out of whack is more the term to use, so I hope they are going to do these fixes that are worth something.. I cant fly any cal BS anymore.. I gotta eject them these days.. I am ashamed to fly a cal bs.. The Rokh is pretty good as a fleet ship. So is the Scorpion. But neither of those are missile ships, and the Scorpion isn't even really intended as a DPS platform anyway. Not that I personally have any problem with that.
Missiles don't scale as well in fleet combat as turrets do, especially in these low lag, Ti-Di days. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Daniel Whateley
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
5
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Posted - 2013.01.10 12:55:00 -
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why would you want missiles on a naga for, and siege launchers at that....? and besides the bc's released were for a gun platform for battlecruisers not to balance things out, and caldari have always been about railguns anyway, 70% of their ships have gun slots, we already have glass cannon torp boats for all races... :P and about someone saying the talos is for brawling stop trying to fit webs to it cause it wont work, and the naga aswell its a terrible rail boat, absolutely no dps unless your running a fleet of them.. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6903
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Posted - 2013.01.10 13:19:00 -
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Daniel Whateley wrote: and the naga aswell its a terrible rail boat, absolutely no dps
"No DPS"?
You get close to 700 DPS at 70Km with CN Antimatter L on a standard fit 425mm rail Naga. Even more with Javelin.
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
fukier
RISE of LEGION
676
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Posted - 2013.01.10 16:56:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: snip Yes, Caldari Hybrid ships are now in a much better state than they were before - please check the date of the post I quoted, it's back from 2011 around Crucible deployment, before we started the tiericide On a bright side note for missile users though, when we start rebalancing Battleships we will need to look into Cruise missiles and Torpedos as well, as both the Raven and Typhoon will heavily depend on them.
i am pretty sure when you allow te/tc to work on missiles this will be fixed... At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
735
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Posted - 2013.01.10 17:40:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: snip Yes, Caldari Hybrid ships are now in a much better state than they were before - please check the date of the post I quoted, it's back from 2011 around Crucible deployment, before we started the tiericide On a bright side note for missile users though, when we start rebalancing Battleships we will need to look into Cruise missiles and Torpedos as well, as both the Raven and Typhoon will heavily depend on them.
( http://cartoonswalls.com/thumbs/shrek_puss_in_boots_wallpaper-t2.jpg ) Will cruise missile spewing stealthbombers be making a return? --- I used to be indecisive but now I am not quite sure. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
384
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Posted - 2013.01.10 17:46:00 -
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Tippia wrote:BrutalButFair wrote:I completly agree. And also because caldari are primarily missile users. Nah. Caldari are primarily missile and hybrid users. The Naga fits that bill perfectly as is and it would be a shame to ruin a ship for no good reason. What they certainly don't need more of is meh-ish missile boats.
No self respecting Calamari trains rails.....
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Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
232
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Posted - 2013.01.10 18:00:00 -
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my T1 fit ratting naga pumps out close to 900 DPS. That's with sub-optimal skills and some cheap implants. It's nice, because I can clear an anomaly in about 25 mins if I'm paying attention/keeping transversal up/staying reasonably close to my effective range. The amount of effort involved in this kind of ratting actually makes the game engaging and rewarding, so ratting is almost *fun* in a naga right now.
If I was T2 fit I'm told I would have DPS in the thousands, but I have other training priorities at the moment. As it stands I can pull in something like 50m isk/hour, which I'm sure is chump change to a lot of people, but it's hands down the best ratting ship at its skill/price point.
Nobody should try to take that away from me, or pain will be experienced. A torpedo boat? Go to hell.
I have no idea nor do I care what the naga can do in pvp; I have other ships for that, but unless your post claims "The Naga is great the way it is, if anything it should be left alone, but maybe have its DPS output doubled and its defensive capabilities raised." You are wrong and I actually feel real hatred towards you. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6925
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Posted - 2013.01.10 18:13:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Tippia wrote:BrutalButFair wrote:I completly agree. And also because caldari are primarily missile users. Nah. Caldari are primarily missile and hybrid users. The Naga fits that bill perfectly as is and it would be a shame to ruin a ship for no good reason. What they certainly don't need more of is meh-ish missile boats. No self respecting Calamari trains rails.....
On the contrary, small and large rails own, and any "Calamari"that doesn't train for them is a fool. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Amun Doshu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.10 18:38:00 -
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Gempei wrote:DrunkenNinja wrote:Because missile users don't have a "T3" BC? we dont need useless torp ship
you might not, i would need |
Amun Doshu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.10 18:40:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Tippia wrote:BrutalButFair wrote:I completly agree. And also because caldari are primarily missile users. Nah. Caldari are primarily missile and hybrid users. The Naga fits that bill perfectly as is and it would be a shame to ruin a ship for no good reason. What they certainly don't need more of is meh-ish missile boats. No self respecting Calamari trains rails..... On the contrary, small and large rails own, and any "Calamari"that doesn't train for them is a fool.
a beginner have to make a decision if he wanna train guns or missiles... only fools think both can be done on the same level... |
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Yeovilty
Scoped. Malefic Aspects
7
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Posted - 2013.01.10 18:40:00 -
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Ohishi wrote:Only if they make cruise missiles not suck.
Cruise missiles suck? Hm... news to me. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3325
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Posted - 2013.01.10 19:00:00 -
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Amun Doshu wrote:Malcanis wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Tippia wrote:BrutalButFair wrote:I completly agree. And also because caldari are primarily missile users. Nah. Caldari are primarily missile and hybrid users. The Naga fits that bill perfectly as is and it would be a shame to ruin a ship for no good reason. What they certainly don't need more of is meh-ish missile boats. No self respecting Calamari trains rails..... On the contrary, small and large rails own, and any "Calamari"that doesn't train for them is a fool. a beginner have to make a decision if he wanna train guns or missiles... only fools think both can be done on the same level... Well, if he chooses to specialize in only missiles he should also know that he is eliminating half the ships for his race. Which is fine, but then he has no room to complain.
Consequences. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
364
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Posted - 2013.01.10 19:27:00 -
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Doesn't the Naga fill the same niche as the Rokh the way things stand? |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2109
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:48:00 -
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DrunkenNinja wrote:So, I saw the changes to the cyclone becoming a missile boat and it got me thinking: "Maybe now they'll make the Naga a torpedo ship?" From my understanding, the role of the Naga is largely similar to that of the Talos. So what if in the upcoming balance changes, the Naga was given bonuses to siege missile launchers?
Dont touch my 150km sniper Always follow orders little bees |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
0
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:14:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:No.
What this man has said.
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
696
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:21:00 -
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and people wonder why some ships suck.
of course they do, with other people trying to break a reliable and useable turret ship because "it's not missiles". [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3205
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:56:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:DrunkenNinja wrote:So, I saw the changes to the cyclone becoming a missile boat and it got me thinking: "Maybe now they'll make the Naga a torpedo ship?" From my understanding, the role of the Naga is largely similar to that of the Talos. So what if in the upcoming balance changes, the Naga was given bonuses to siege missile launchers? Dont touch my 150km sniper Your "150km sniper" eh <3 <3 Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2111
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Posted - 2013.01.11 02:31:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:No More Heroes wrote:DrunkenNinja wrote:So, I saw the changes to the cyclone becoming a missile boat and it got me thinking: "Maybe now they'll make the Naga a torpedo ship?" From my understanding, the role of the Naga is largely similar to that of the Talos. So what if in the upcoming balance changes, the Naga was given bonuses to siege missile launchers? Dont touch my 150km sniper Your "150km sniper" eh <3 <3
Well I could say 'our' but then it would degenerate into a goonspiracy thread and the naga would be emergency patched into a torpedo boat Always follow orders little bees |
terzslave
RedStar Enterprises RA Citizens
125
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Posted - 2013.01.11 02:34:00 -
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Why the hell would you want to change the naga? It's the good the way it is. I like being able to shoot up to 200km............. |
Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
379
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Posted - 2013.01.11 02:35:00 -
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I thought it was the only cool looking ship with the old missile effects
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