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B'reanna
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.01.09 01:03:00 -
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Some or all of the following has probably been addressed by others but i didn't bother to read non fozzie replies.
i like what yall are doing with the proh, but it seems like y'all a nerfing the already not that great harb even more.
on the min ships i don't really like what yall are doing to the cyclone but understand why you did what you did. this is mainly due to not much caring for missiles in general not specifically the cyclone changes
the ferrox and drake dont seem to be anything unexpected.
what i am however surprised by is the changes to the myrm and the drake
fully approve of the slot changes on the brutix but an active rep bonus? to me this seems to be a waste as it currently is. the rep bonus needs to buffed more for it to be worth even trying to have an Armour active tank. give the disaprity between active shield and active amour reps. unless there are more reaching amour tanking balancing than has so far been released, probably better to go to a dual hybrid bonus as has already been suggested.
the myrm on the other hand i can kinda see the rep bonus but still feel its probably a wasted bonus. what gets me is that while buffing the bandwidth the mrym still only has 100 bandwidth so still cant launch a full flight of heavy's or sentries surprising. with 100 your left with either only using 4 of the larger drones or doing a mix of large and med drones both of which feel weird.
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B'reanna
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.01.10 01:41:00 -
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Apostrophe Diacritic wrote:Harbinger is buffed. Yeah it has -25 cpu but one turret takes 26.3 with max skills so its actually a little buff. Drone bay increase is actually a big deal, and small capacitor recharge nerf is more than compensated with 1 less turret, same as cpu. And it also does more damage then before, 5% more dps per BC level is 25% damage boost, 1 turret less from 7 is 14,2% nerf so in total its over 10% damage buff for Harbinger. The 2% increase in mass is really not a big deal and with shield tank EHP lost is really not that bad, its less than 1.5k with great skills and some low implants. Harbinger shield tanked is 200ms slower than Cane and since its mass is "nerfed" less that difference is gonna be a little smaller now. Dont complain its slow if you put 2x1600 plates on it. And you can shield tank it, it has the same slot layout as Hurricane and even has more EHP. It also has a great damage projection. 10% damage boost is huge, and the nerfs are pathetic. Actually the 1.3 cpu "buff" may actually help some fits to use 2% implant instead of 3%.
im sorry your bad at math
- 1 gun 100/7 * 6 = 85.71 +25% dmg skill 85.71 * 1.25 = 107.14
now since this is supposed to be for people who dont have max skills bc lets be honest if you have max skills you arnt flying a harb unless your bad or poor or have some strange attraction to an underpowered ship. so with only a 20 % dmg buff aka lvl 4 skill 85.71 * 1.2 = 102.85
next you argue that an amarr ship should be shield tanked because the hurricane is shield tanked. its an amarr ship. amarr armor tank. if shield tanking it is better than something is wrong with it and since this is a potential balance patch this should be addressed. so your shield argument is also dumb
now if we look at how it preforms with a correct racial amour tank the mass changes continue to plague its ability to get in range and actually do damage. so while yes its a little nicer to fit now your talking at most a 7% buff in dps which is out weighted by its mass and agility nerf once stacked with a traditional amour tank. im not say it should have the same stats as a cain or any other bc for that matter, but it should be able to compete with the others and atm it cannot.
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B'reanna
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:42:00 -
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@fozzie
You addressed most of my points with got feedback. but
why the values for the bandwidht and drone bay on the myrm?
and how the proposed changes seem to hurt the harb even more. ie. a net 7% increase in dps(with max skills only 2% with lvl 4) while further limiting its ability to get in range and actually do dps. as you said you cant comment on changes to how amour tanks vs shield tanking will work but are you considering these factors in how your changing the harb? |
B'reanna
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:46:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:@Fozzie: Still wondering why you are going drone boat for the Prophecy instead of sticking to the resist/damage formula that has worked wonders for its smaller brethren. Being a brick should be an option not a requirement which I am sad to say is what a 7 slot drone boat with resists will be .. simple no real (read: viable) options beyond bricking. Liang Nuren wrote:Aethlyn wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Even though gang links on T1 BCs are not incredibly common at the moment, it would be great if it became more common so we'll see what we can do to help. Nerf off-grid boosts a bit to make on-grid boosting more interesting (even if it's just a slight reduction in effectiveness; something like 25% or 50%. I don't want off grid boosting nerfed. I want all boosting nerfed. And I have something around 25M SP in leadership. -Liang I keep hearing those SP numbers thrown around, but doing the training multiplier x 256k for all skills (using EveMon) only yields 15M and change .. are there some secret skills I am not aware of or do people include peripheral skills? 15 for leadership not sure were they are gtting 25m |
B'reanna
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.01.12 06:15:00 -
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Sigras wrote: I think this is the point. Right now all you ever see is BCs, T3s, logis and cap ships in 0.0 with these changes, you might start to see other ships in the mix.
I dont understand where everyone got this idea of one ship "countering" another >.>
You might think that medium neuts on a cyclone "counter" frigates, until you meet someone who knows how to use his small nos to keep his AB and warp scrambler running and beats you anyway . . .
i don't know about your neck of the woods but on 0.0 i see caps, bs, bcs, cruisers and frigs(both t1 and t2) as well as t3. now admittedly some so better than others in given situations but they are all used. with the lowering of the gap between t1 bcs and t1 cruisers i suspect it will mean seeing less bcs and more cruisers for roaming and more bs for big fleets. that said if the changes go through as is i suspect that there will if anything be no or little change in the diversity of the bcs one encounters but that the particular bcs one frequently encounters will change. As some that were already rather underutilized get nerfed more (harb) while others get pushed to the forefront (proph) and still others fall in from the front of the pack to the middle (cane, drake) |
B'reanna
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.01.19 01:55:00 -
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Spr09 wrote:Just please, for the love of god, don't give me a missile Sleipnir. it will be a missile claymore |
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