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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2260
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Posted - 2012.12.12 00:21:00 -
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As I easily imagined, my easy questions about how much should a blasted hi seccer earn to be considered "fair" in the eyes of a null seccers have been carefully avoided.
Stop puffing your holy chests and tell the truth.
Should hi seccers earn 3M per hour to earn the paid privilege to play EvE? 10M? 5M?
Tell the numbers, show you have the gonads to talk with a straight face.
Then, if you feel particularly witty, answer this: "why am I waiting CCP to break their game philosophy by FORCING me to play where I want to play?" Are you ISK driven like a Scrooge's donkey, can't have the balls to take the responsibility of your gaming choices so you call CCP to force where to go down your throat? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.12.12 00:23:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
I live in null as well, in the sea of blue. There is nothing to disprove. It is what it is. People that grief in hi-sec dont do it for profit, they try to make it less of a cost when they can. Some gank freighters that can yield profit. The truth is most null players that have been in null for a while have more money than they can spend. Some people are still in null trying to make a living not everyone is rich but to many have hundreds of trillions of isk. For these people itGÇÖs not about profit it about CONTROL. Control of the market or control of other players thatGÇÖs what they seek and thatGÇÖs why they come here and argue and fight and complain. Every time they make hi-sec safer they lose the ability to CONTROL.
They pretend to call it pvp or sandbox or various other things. In reality itGÇÖs the ability to impose control over the carebare they donGÇÖt want to lose. Just like the poster above and other like him/her.
Know what the biggest piece of bullshit here is? You continually implying that hi sec gankers are Null sec players. As if getting ganked in high sec means you didn't get ganked by someone else who lives in high sec, or that they didn't come from low, or WH space. PS: notice the guy used the word "greif" to say gank? Says a lot about the guys mentality. There's only one way to grief in EVE, shoot a rookie. I never meant to say grief. I guess my brain called it for what it really is. The biggest piece of bull **** here is you. I struck The nail on the head as well as a nerve. Goofs are all about control and manipulation. Most "goofs" I know are about laughs. It doesn't change the fact you're wrong. Just because someone ganks you doesn't make them a null sec player. You guys just like that excuse because it sounds better then crying about getting ganked by another high seccer; which is very likely to happen. I can honestly say I have never been gank or ganked anyone in hi-sec. Have been in a few WD and roams in null. Problem is there is no data available to determine one way or the other. i could be wrong..have been before and will be in the future. What I do know is you and people like you who have multiple account also have pilots in hi-sec. So yes the null player may not journey all the way from null to gank a hi-sec miner, but you sure can log on to your hi-sec alt and do it. So yea majority of the pilots doing the ganking may in fact be hi-sec pilots but the strings are still being pulled by low/null bears.
I am not saying there arent any good people in goofs because I know some personaly. Please dont come here and try to make it seem like your goofs dont gank in hi-sec or try to control the market or try to manipulate any thing you can get your grubby little fingers in. I may have been born at night but it wasnt last night.
It doesnt matter who the person is or where they come from that kills the miner. What matters is you and people like you try to justify it as pvp/sandbox or what ever other word you can come up with. Its invasive and exploiting of mechanics to impose your CONTROL over someone else because you can and you want to be asshats.
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Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
53
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Posted - 2012.12.12 00:43:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Xindi Kraid wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Am I the only one that sees null sec guys trying to give rational and thoughfull answers, only to met with mostly insult? at this point, both sides are spewing bullshit and ignoring anthing that doesn't agree with them. That's a cop out, a truly neutral person could view what has been said here and readily understand that we're right and the other guys are just...well...High Sec. Please enlighten us to the flaws in our argument so that we can set them right, for the good of all (in-game) mankind. The most meaningful commentary was given fairly early on, a few pages later we get people arguing back and for about nothing and refusing to even consider the other's position, and we are transitioning into empty minded insults. See the tirade you're involved in about effort and how Player X isn't putting enough in.
The "at this point" part was important, believe it or not. === Anyways everyone seems to be mistaking mechanics for people. The MECHANICS are broken (either HS pays too much or null pays too little, and trying to do industry in a POS is a joke meaning most everything in null was made in highsec); if you think that is in dispute, then you are misinformed. The crux of the issue here is that somehow people are twisting that into HS PLAYERS are bad people, and worse still, are using the above reasoning, as justification. Living in high sec does NOT mean you are somehow killing EvE.
Just gonna leave this here.
Silath Slyver Silverpine wrote:It's funny, because this thread, with a few notable exceptions, pretty much turned into a microcosm of the example; Each side of the argument circle-jerking posters that are on their side, posting hyperbole, ad-hominem attacks, and emotionally charged 'logic'.
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Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
24
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Posted - 2012.12.12 00:48:00 -
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Allow me to try and answer why Nullsec dwellers have such an interest in Highsec.
One word; Logistics.
We have the minerals, PI goods, whatever, but producing everything in Null is impossible. We just don't have the Manufacturing slots for it. I doubt we would even be able to produce enough ammo for the Alliance.
We mine(ib4 Nullbears mine lolololol), and export to highsec. There we either have alts who can manufacture, or we dump it at Jita, and import all the other crap (Ships, mods, ammo, etc etc etc.) we need.
We need you, you don't need us. We have more risk, and the only protection we have are our allies. If we stop mining, we lose income(Not the ratters obviously), but you would never even feel it. The highsec Miners will just continue being AFK. Jump Bridges can only do so much.
TL;DR Read it. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
684
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Posted - 2012.12.12 00:50:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: I can honestly say I have never been gank or ganked anyone in hi-sec. Have been in a few WD and roams in null. Problem is there is no data available to determine one way or the other. i could be wrong..have been before and will be in the future. What I do know is you and people like you who have multiple account also have pilots in hi-sec. So yes the null player may not journey all the way from null to gank a hi-sec miner, but you sure can log on to your hi-sec alt and do it. So yea majority of the pilots doing the ganking may in fact be hi-sec pilots but the strings are still being pulled by low/null bears.
I am not saying there arent any good people in goofs because I know some personaly. Please dont come here and try to make it seem like your goofs dont gank in hi-sec or try to control the market or try to manipulate any thing you can get your grubby little fingers in. I may have been born at night but it wasnt last night.
It doesnt matter who the person is or where they come from that kills the miner. What matters is you and people like you try to justify it as pvp/sandbox or what ever other word you can come up with. Its invasive and exploiting of mechanics to impose your CONTROL over someone else because you can and you want to be asshats.
Just because something can be done doesnt mean it should be done.
I know high sec people gank. I've been ganked by high sec people, while mining no less.
Not everyone that wants to blow up ships wants to play in null or even low.
Me flying around high sec is about as enjoyable as it would be for you to fly around in Deklein. It's stressful and nerve racking. Yes, I feel much, much safer in null. WE make it safer, the way concord makes hgh sec safer. (some of you can keep throwing out the sea of blue all you like; as if it's an insult and you're not living in one yourself. Ours is entirely player driven though; not developer imposed.)
I don't fault anyone for not enjoying flying around and living places were they feel like every ship in local wants to blow them up. I don't enjoy it either.
Not to mention, not everyone wants to be in a player corp. I used to run a 200 man wow guild. When I stopped doing that and started spending more time in EVE, I had zero desire in get involved with a corp; I'd had enough and needed a break from that kind of stuff. Not everyone playing MMO's even enjoys playing in a corp, or guild, or clan, or whatever you want to call it. That's fine.
Some of those people, want to blow you up. You know, some people actually do turn their pvp flags on while playing on a PvE server in other MMO's. There are far, far more people living in high sec than null. There are far, far more people living in high than are null sec alts. When you get ganked, it's very likely a high sec player.
And yes, it absolutely should be done. In fact, CCP bullt an entire game aroud that very premise. You may have heard of it, EVE online?
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2203
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Posted - 2012.12.12 00:52:00 -
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4th highsec thread complaining about nullsec people how ironic |
Six Blade Knife
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.12.12 01:14:00 -
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My 2 ISK:
Null: We should make more money because we are in riskier space, but we can't because we don't have enough industry to support our constant wars out here, and thus are slaves to HS industrialists who make bank with little or no risk, or have to play in HS ourselves to pay for our Null adventures.
HS: There is minimal risk making my ISK, and I like that...null is scary, and I don't like wars. I like to make stuff and kill npc pirates for legal bounties. I like to fly around in my shiney ships, I like fun and making ISK, leave me alone.
RL: Soldiers die and fight and make ****** pay in risky parts of the world, they fight for corporate interests and often corporate profits...it is a risky low paid career choice. RL: Industrialists sit in comfy offices making bank and have fun in there yachts...all thanks to selling their goods to mercenaries and legit armies who die in the process of depleting corporate stockpiles of ammo and vehicles...don't worry, keep fighting, we will make moar!
Me: Where is the problem? All seems to work as people intend things to work. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1007
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Posted - 2012.12.12 01:20:00 -
[188] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:4th highsec thread complaining about nullsec people how ironic Couple of hundred more and it will almost balance out Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2262
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Posted - 2012.12.12 01:40:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:4th highsec thread complaining about nullsec people how ironic
Sadly if we ever got a dev blog that *at least* acknowledged they understand they will have to add more production slots to player owned stations, to revamp POSes so living at a POS would not be so much a sh!t (I had to do it both in null and in a WH, figures ), that they understand that good refineries are a basic facility... maybe all the constant hi vs null barrage would subside a bit.
But it's like talking about the inventory or the jukebox: it's filtered out keywords that CCP ignore in the most profound way. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
113
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Posted - 2012.12.12 01:42:00 -
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Mirime Nolwe wrote:First you need to understand the fact that we play a game in a single shard world (as i said), second you need to understand that this is a sandbox game with a 100% player economy.
Then, you will knowledge that the economy in the game need to have a balance, otherwise it will "Implode". Players in Highsec cant have 100% risk free game and cant make ISK as they want.
Even if you think otherwise, pure High Sec dwellers think only on themselves and that behavior (just let me be in my corner!) its selfish and wont help the game improve.
Economy needs balance and that wont be possible to accomplish with 100% free game for a big portion of this population. Are you for real? 100% risk free, excuse me ever hear of a gank? Exploding in missions? And hi sec PVP? I have lost more ships in hi then anywhere else, granted I've lived mostly in hi but when I buy T-2 items it's because of null supplying them with the materials you can only obtain down there, so selfish? No.
You talk of improving the game how can hi sec help you do that? I see dying to you're free ganks and blobs and roaming gangs, this way you get that lol you want, hi sec didn't blue all you're neighbors you did, just because you want to kill kill kill kill kill so you can laugh and grief and troll so you feel good, ONE REASON, the superior feeling you miss because IRL you don't get that thrill.
Balance for who, hi sec has been nerfed many times already, missions drop doodoo loot, even the grav spawns give what...omber whoopy doodoo, when I was in null the grav's were full of only hi end ores and belts too! Officer mods dropping, hi rat bounties AND any corp holding SOV can control how things spawn to a point. If stuff from null isn't fetching higher prices blame that at the guy in the null mirror.
You're selling Carbon Credits my friend, I ante buying. |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2205
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Posted - 2012.12.12 01:47:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:4th highsec thread complaining about nullsec people how ironic Couple of hundred more and it will almost balance out Yeah you keep saying that, but all I see on the first page of threads is highseccers posting about 0.0, usually with some histrionic self-martyrization thrown in
why, I don't know |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
244
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Posted - 2012.12.12 01:59:00 -
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Because the truth is, Null sec isn't worth it and deep down they all know it. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Galaxy Pig
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
263
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Posted - 2012.12.12 02:13:00 -
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For clarification on the many ways carebears affect null players and the threat they pose to ALL of EVE, see the manifestos and themittani.com articles of James 315
I don't hate them, I merely recognize that they must be purged. Nothing personal, I'm just operating under the pretense that carebears are the enemy and must be indiscriminately slaughtered until there are no more left. You guys should be happy you have a competent enemy.
\o/ CAREBEAR HOLOCAUST! (because highsec isn't going to cleanse itself) |
Shylari Avada
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
141
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Posted - 2012.12.12 02:23:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Should hi seccers earn 3M per hour to earn the paid privilege to play EvE? 10M? 5M?
Tell the numbers, show you have the gonads to talk with a straight face.
I don't care how much they make per hour, per mission, per loyalty point or any of that other nonsense, as long as they don't care that me blowing them up and taking their stuff is perfectly viable within current game mechanics.
Oh you have killrights? Come get me.
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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
230
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Posted - 2012.12.12 02:27:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: I can honestly say I have never been gank or ganked anyone in hi-sec. .
I ganked a pod during the Burn Jita thing many months ago does that count?
http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
351
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Posted - 2012.12.12 02:34:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:For clarification on the many ways carebears affect null players and the threat they pose to ALL of EVE, see the manifestos and themittani.com articles of James 315
I don't hate them, I merely recognize that they must be purged. Nothing personal, I'm just operating under the pretense that carebears are the enemy and must be indiscriminately slaughtered until there are no more left. You guys should be happy you have a competent enemy.
\o/ CAREBEAR HOLOCAUST! (because highsec isn't going to cleanse itself)
Because it's easier than breaking the NAP train Mexican stand off in null. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
230
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Posted - 2012.12.12 02:47:00 -
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In reply to topic: because theyre bored.
http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Tesal
55
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Posted - 2012.12.12 04:57:00 -
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Speaking for all the hi-sec players, we surrender now. Does that help? |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
24
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Posted - 2012.12.12 05:14:00 -
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No, it does not... Start cranking out ammo! |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1009
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Posted - 2012.12.12 05:17:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:For clarification on the many ways carebears affect null players and the threat they pose to ALL of EVE, see the manifestos and themittani.com articles of James 315
I don't hate them, I merely recognize that they must be purged. Nothing personal, I'm just operating under the pretense that carebears are the enemy and must be indiscriminately slaughtered until there are no more left. You guys should be happy you have a competent enemy.
\o/ CAREBEAR HOLOCAUST! (because highsec isn't going to cleanse itself) Yes go the Elite cowards of EvE.
Hide behind the hi-sec mechanics so you cannot get ganked and then pretend you are in some way shape or form not just insignificant. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1009
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Posted - 2012.12.12 05:18:00 -
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Shylari Avada wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Should hi seccers earn 3M per hour to earn the paid privilege to play EvE? 10M? 5M?
Tell the numbers, show you have the gonads to talk with a straight face.
I don't care how much they make per hour, per mission, per loyalty point or any of that other nonsense, as long as they don't care that me blowing them up and taking their stuff is perfectly viable within current game mechanics. Oh you have killrights? Come get me. Not really a Null point of view when you are talking about fighting within Hi-sec. Makes you more of a Hi-sec person than Null. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Ludi Burek
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
203
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Posted - 2012.12.12 05:19:00 -
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HVAC Repairman wrote: Hisec players on average (not every case, but on average) have little to no understanding of the big picture, only care about isk/hour, do not believe in risk vs. reward, cry about everything they do not like, make the most god awful game suggestions, boggle down the petition system with the most inane drivel, complain incessantly about representation on the CSM, make the most god awful posts, are nearly universally incapable of deductive reasoning, start the most ridiculous tinfoil conspiracy theories, believe that suicide gankers should be banned for griefing, want hisec to be completely safe, and generally want to see EVE die in the same way that Ultima Online did.
I don't begrudge people who play the game in the style they prefer, I begrudge people who don't want other players to be able to play theirs.
Best post. |
Roosevelt Coltrane
Rupakaya
0
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Posted - 2012.12.12 05:31:00 -
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Truth:
Most people don't care.
Most people think E-uni is a good idea, even if they would never be a member
Most people think mining is fine, even if they find it mind numbingly boring
Most people think running missions is fine, even if they find it lacking challenge, dull and repetitive
Maybe they will come and harass you... but its all in fun
But some people have low self esteem and look to a video game for their self worth
You can identify them because they will put down the way another chooses to play
Hisec putting down null.... null hating hisec. Both have low self esteem. Truth. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
212
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Posted - 2012.12.12 06:01:00 -
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The less interesting someone's life is the more interested they are in other people's lives. Look at the people you see reading celebrity tabloids for example. They've all blued and sov'd themselves into total boredom. Nullseccers have wrecked nullsec so now they're looking for someplace new to wreck to keep themselves entertained. EvE Forum Bingo |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1850
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Posted - 2012.12.12 08:29:00 -
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Because deep down inside, all nullbears want all hi-sec miners mining null belts under their own personal nully-concord protection way out in soviet Mordor.... Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Xavier Hasberin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.12.12 08:46:00 -
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I don't really care right now about nullsec vs. highsec, since my only interaction there is the market, which I feed with some small amounts of raw materials and the occasional piece of tech, and my purchases of equipment I find useful.
I DO dislike the idea that nullsec needs a serious industry boost, simply because the end result of that is that nullsec will become a vast neighborhood of gated communities. It would be analagous to the territories of the Wild West suddenly being so technologically capable that they would never need anything imported from the Eastern US.
To my mind, the problem is multiple accounts and multiple characters per account. This invites the nullsec player to make a highsec alt and short circuit the necessary consequences of putting yourself in a resource rich and unlawful area and having to depend on the 'civilized' parts for your finished goods. After all, you can ignore that block by mining stuff on an alt, building it with an alt, shipping it with an alt, and the only thing you have to worry about is getting it to nullsec, which shouldn't be too hard for a nullsec player. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5460
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Posted - 2012.12.12 09:37:00 -
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Xavier Hasberin wrote:I don't really care right now about nullsec vs. highsec, since my only interaction there is the market, which I feed with some small amounts of raw materials and the occasional piece of tech, and my purchases of equipment I find useful.
I DO dislike the idea that nullsec needs a serious industry boost, simply because the end result of that is that nullsec will become a vast neighborhood of gated communities. It would be analagous to the territories of the Wild West suddenly being so technologically capable that they would never need anything imported from the Eastern US.
To my mind, the problem is multiple accounts and multiple characters per account. This invites the nullsec player to make a highsec alt and short circuit the necessary consequences of putting yourself in a resource rich and unlawful area and having to depend on the 'civilized' parts for your finished goods. After all, you can ignore that block by mining stuff on an alt, building it with an alt, shipping it with an alt, and the only thing you have to worry about is getting it to nullsec, which shouldn't be too hard for a nullsec player.
You're begging the question: why shouldn't players be able to create their own empires? If a group of players can defend and hold an area of space against all comers then who are you to say how they should run their affairs within it?
If you want "wild west" then surely the 2500 W-space systems already serve that playstyle ideally?
If players aren't supposed to create player built empires in sov 0.0, what area of the game would you designate as suitable for this activity? MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Xavier Hasberin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.12.12 09:51:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Xavier Hasberin wrote:I don't really care right now about nullsec vs. highsec, since my only interaction there is the market, which I feed with some small amounts of raw materials and the occasional piece of tech, and my purchases of equipment I find useful.
I DO dislike the idea that nullsec needs a serious industry boost, simply because the end result of that is that nullsec will become a vast neighborhood of gated communities. It would be analagous to the territories of the Wild West suddenly being so technologically capable that they would never need anything imported from the Eastern US.
To my mind, the problem is multiple accounts and multiple characters per account. This invites the nullsec player to make a highsec alt and short circuit the necessary consequences of putting yourself in a resource rich and unlawful area and having to depend on the 'civilized' parts for your finished goods. After all, you can ignore that block by mining stuff on an alt, building it with an alt, shipping it with an alt, and the only thing you have to worry about is getting it to nullsec, which shouldn't be too hard for a nullsec player. You're begging the question: why shouldn't players be able to create their own empires? If a group of players can defend and hold an area of space against all comers then who are you to say how they should run their affairs within it? If you want "wild west" then surely the 2500 W-space systems already serve that playstyle ideally? If players aren't supposed to create player built empires in sov 0.0, what area of the game would you designate as suitable for this activity?
None, of course. Remember, we're playing the game as CCP designed it: High low and null all need and depend upon each other in some way - high needs the resources from low and null that they can't get, low and null need to a lesser degree the industrial production that highsec provides. If you take away that need from either side of the equation, the game will suffer - highsec will see people leave in droves if there are player induced bottlenecks to production that are bigger than anything seen right now, and that's a net loss for CCP and the EVE community, whether some believe it or not.
Allow player 'empires' self suffiiciency in null, and they'll also take it in W-space as well, given typical human and business traits of expansion and monopolization. Arguing otherwise would be foolish, and I doubt the number of fools in EVE is a large one. |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
776
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Posted - 2012.12.12 09:59:00 -
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To the OP please ignore the haters from both sides , they are only a small but loud minority, and there always will be haters around
my opinion is that both sides null and high both require a different playing style Either you love null sec or you hate it , while high sec is basicly playing EvE on easy and moderate difficulty mode But both secs can not exsist without the other , high sec needs null for its moongoon high end minerals and rare faction /officers modules , while null needs high as a market for its products and a plentyfull source of most of its low end minerals , alot of its ice , production base , and a rich manpowerpool for recruiting new members
so in my opinion it is in the best interest of any nullsec alliance that high sec stays healthy I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Isa Cronos
1
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Posted - 2012.12.12 10:02:00 -
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it seems to me that some people want their self created safety in null (blue) e.g. "i feel more safe in null than in high sec"
it also seems that the same people want to make more isk e.g. "null is not profitable compared to high sec"
so what they really want is their own piece of "high sec" in front of their null sec doorstep.
they want to be both "proud" null sec pilots and live the lucrative empire life without the fears of null sec (again, blue).
if people feel safe in null then there is obviously no risk involved, so they don't deserve rewards
jokes aside, people want safety and wealth, no matter where they live. no one here is better than the other.
if this is not true, then give me your stuff, your moon goo and your mission rewards, your minerals, bounties and your LP. i admit it, i am greedy and i want to be more safe than less, no matter where i live. |
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