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EvE Lord
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Posted - 2005.05.08 13:42:00 -
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What's the best one in game.
What use do they have.
What's Your Setup.
Just curious about them, they're popular, and i hear they're very very good
For those tryin to decide what one to get this might help :) ( i am wondering what one to get lol)
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.05.08 13:47:00 -
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There is no best one.
No use cause they are too expensive... well they are ment for pvp.
Won't tell. Go figure yours.
They are popular, as they are supposed to be fun. Well, i feel like wasting 23d for one. Bs-s are better.
This won't help anyone deciding, as i don't want everyone flyin hacs around. These ships are supposed to be leet... When you have all skills at lvl5, like energy management, hull upgrades,etc... then you go train for these... till then, fly t1 ships. Or t2 frigs max.
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Arimas Talasko
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Posted - 2005.05.08 13:48:00 -
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If you don't know you aren't ready to fly one yet :)
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Layrex
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Posted - 2005.05.08 14:03:00 -
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I was wondering about these too though. They are the same price as a cheaper BS, and yet stats-wise they are alot worse.
Seems strange to me.
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Layrex
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Posted - 2005.05.08 14:06:00 -
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Stop laughing at me! ><
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Tekka
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Posted - 2005.05.08 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Layrex I was wondering about these too though. They are the same price as a cheaper BS, and yet stats-wise they are alot worse.
Seems strange to me.
lol
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Voltron
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Posted - 2005.05.08 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Layrex I was wondering about these too though. They are the same price as a cheaper BS, and yet stats-wise they are alot worse.
Seems strange to me.
A little bit of supply and demand........a little bit of price gouging. More of the latter than the former though.
Volt
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.05.08 14:20:00 -
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yup... prices will eventually drop... it will take some time though.
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slapp
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Posted - 2005.05.08 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: slapp on 08/05/2005 15:18:41
Originally by: LUKEC yup... prices will eventually drop... it will take some time though.
like prices for ceptors dropped, right? and like prices for tech 2 components dropped with introduction of POS. and like overall prices on market dropped with introduction of lvl4 agents, right?
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2005.05.08 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: slapp Edited by: slapp on 08/05/2005 15:18:41
Originally by: LUKEC yup... prices will eventually drop... it will take some time though.
like prices for ceptors dropped, right? and like prices for tech 2 components dropped with introduction of POS. and like overall prices on market dropped with introduction of lvl4 agents, right?
pretty much, yeh. interceptors used to sell for more like 50mill. and i still remember selling our second harpy off the production line for i think 120mill.
overall market prices didnt drop with lvl 4 missions, as the net result of those missions is: additional isk in system (so people have more to spend and are willing to spend more on the same item), ships/modules are lost (so the people that have lots of money from the missions also need new equipment.)
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John Blackthorn
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Posted - 2005.05.08 15:33:00 -
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HAC - Heavy Assult Crusers are very nice ships because they all have several nice ship bonsues such as rate of fire and damage bonuses. They also have high resists.
So if you take your HAC, and out fit it so that you increase the resistance to your lowest resist you have a very nice ship that is hard to kill.
Then use the weapons that you have a bonus for you have very nice weapons that hit quite often and do alot of damage.
They are faster that battleships. And in many cases a couple of HAC can destroy a battleship when they work together.
HAC can also do many of the npc missions that a b.s. can do. They also can npc hunt very well as well. In pvp packs of hac are just mean.
The only thing battleships have over HAC is that they carry larger weapons, can hit futher out in most cases, and have more shield/armor (but the resists are worse than HAC)
John Blackthorn Foundation, CEO
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Tragar
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Posted - 2005.05.08 15:41:00 -
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Hac can tank as good as bs. Can hit as hard as a bs but the range is a lil limited. Are much faster than a bs.
There uber :)
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2005.05.08 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: John Blackthorn HAC - Heavy Assult Crusers are very nice ships because they all have several nice ship bonsues such as rate of fire and damage bonuses. They also have high resists.
So if you take your HAC, and out fit it so that you increase the resistance to your lowest resist you have a very nice ship that is hard to kill.
Then use the weapons that you have a bonus for you have very nice weapons that hit quite often and do alot of damage.
They are faster that battleships. And in many cases a couple of HAC can destroy a battleship when they work together.
HAC can also do many of the npc missions that a b.s. can do. They also can npc hunt very well as well. In pvp packs of hac are just mean.
The only thing battleships have over HAC is that they carry larger weapons, can hit futher out in most cases, and have more shield/armor (but the resists are worse than HAC)
John Blackthorn Foundation, CEO
you seem to have forgotten a couple of main points for HACs. 1) uber-leet space camo. the caldari ones at least have a very fetching camoflage scheme. 2) they're cool and rare. counts for a lot in my book. 3) surprise! your at a gate. in your cerby. someone comes along, thinks your a caracal, tries to gank you... you turn around and waste their little thorax :D
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EvE Lord
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Posted - 2005.05.08 15:55:00 -
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hehe.
I just want/ed to see peoples opinions i am personaly thinking avout the amarr ones, Sacralige and Zealot or the Deimos
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Ocularis
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Posted - 2005.05.08 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: EvE Lord hehe.
I just want/ed to see peoples opinions i am personaly thinking avout the amarr ones, Sacralige and Zealot or the Deimos
Sacrilige = Uber Tank Zealot = Uber Gank
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EvE Lord
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Posted - 2005.05.08 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: EvE Lord on 08/05/2005 16:42:15
Originally by: Ocularis
Originally by: EvE Lord hehe.
I just want/ed to see peoples opinions i am personaly thinking avout the amarr ones, Sacralige and Zealot or the Deimos
Sacrilige = Uber Tank Zealot = Uber Gank
Sweet
Goin to call my Zealot Gankalot then
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.05.08 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: EvE Lord Edited by: EvE Lord on 08/05/2005 16:42:15
Originally by: Ocularis
Originally by: EvE Lord hehe.
I just want/ed to see peoples opinions i am personaly thinking avout the amarr ones, Sacralige and Zealot or the Deimos
Sacrilige = Uber Tank Zealot = Uber Gank
Sweet
Goin to call my Zealot Gankalot then
If you dont have good skills, "" isn't going to help you. And considering you didnt know what they were at the start of the thread, I would think you dont have the skills you'll need to be effective in one.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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EvE Lord
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Posted - 2005.05.08 18:53:00 -
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rofl lets talk about HAC's again then
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.05.08 18:55:00 -
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Well, it starts with an I and ends with a shtar. Then there is its brother, which is almost as uber, the Deimos.
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Bhal'rog
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Posted - 2005.05.08 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Bhal''rog on 08/05/2005 19:01:31 If you like long range Munnin is damn good.
On the longer range ammo(nuc, pro, lead) my optimal is outside lock range without a booster. Lock range is 67K.
Hi: 5 720's, 2 heavy launcher Med: web, tacking comp2, med shield booster 2 Lo: 3 gyro 2s, 2 rcu2s
5 medium drones
The 720's hit very hard.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2005.05.08 19:11:00 -
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I'd give new HAC pilots the same advice I'd give new interceptor pilots: Bone up on using the tech 1 equivalent before you step into your tech 2 ship.
So, for the guy who was thinking about Zealots and Sacs, mess around in Omens and Mallers. Get the hang of using the ships, fight a bunch of combats in them, learn what their strengths and weaknesses are. Then, when you are really comfortable in all sorts of situations in your tech 1 cruiser, go for the HAC. HACs are really amplified versions of tech 1 cruisers, all the normal strengths and weaknesses of tech 1 cruisers are still there - the strengths are just amplified while the weaknesses are not so weak.
You still have to worry about the same things you do with cruisers - Sniper battleships will give you problems; swarms of frigates can give you problems (well, unless you're using an Ishtar); Close range HACs can give your long range HAC problems; Long range HACs can give your short range HAC problems. You're faster than a battleship, but you still enter warp as slowly as a cruiser does. That sort of thing.
Basically, if you don't like cruisers, you won't really care for a HAC. If you really like cruisers, you'll love a HAC.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2005.05.08 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Bhal'rog If you like long range Munnin is damn good.
I'll second that! I witnessed a Muninn destroy an interceptor at 90km with what must have been a similar setup (I'd guess it was the same, but with something swapped out for the sensor booster he must have been running).
The Vagabond is also really nice as a long range gunnery platform. With a similar loadout as the Muninn here (save it'll be running 650's) you'll be getting very solid hits out to the targeting range of the ship. Fit a MWD or AB and you'll have an outstanding fast artillery ship.
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Mac Knife
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Posted - 2005.05.08 20:49:00 -
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The Vagabond is a very nice ship for both long and short range.
Fought one yesterday in my Diemos and i just couldn't catch him, lol, grats to the pilot on that.
I fly Gallente HAC's, tho i would suggest training and maxing most skills for the Vexor and Thorax before even considering going into a hac, same goes for the omen and maller if u want to fly amarr hacs. Also just getting the skills trained up isn't enuf, you will want to get a number of combat exp under your belt b4 you jump in one
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.05.08 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: Gariuys on 08/05/2005 20:52:02
Originally by: Tragar Hac can tank as good as bs. Can hit as hard as a bs but the range is a lil limited. Are much faster than a bs.
There uber :)
1. wrong 2. wrong 3. wrong
kthxbye edit: jsut so people actually get to read something, my megathron is just as fast as my deimos, does more damage, and tanks a helluvalot better, while running 2 heavy nosses, and 10 ogres. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Mac Knife
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Posted - 2005.05.08 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys Edited by: Gariuys on 08/05/2005 20:52:02
Originally by: Tragar Hac can tank as good as bs. Can hit as hard as a bs but the range is a lil limited. Are much faster than a bs.
There uber :)
1. wrong 2. wrong 3. wrong
kthxbye edit: jsut so people actually get to read something, my megathron is just as fast as my deimos, does more damage, and tanks a helluvalot better, while running 2 heavy nosses, and 10 ogres.
Yes your thron will be just as fast, BUT its got a bigger sig radius thus getting hit easier, isn't as maneuverable as the diemos so it turns slower and gets to max speed slower. Dmg will be better and so will the tank, but you will get hit alot more and your cap will run down faster. Also the Diemos gets the cruiser bonus on its MWD.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.05.08 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mac Knife
Originally by: Gariuys Edited by: Gariuys on 08/05/2005 20:52:02
Originally by: Tragar Hac can tank as good as bs. Can hit as hard as a bs but the range is a lil limited. Are much faster than a bs.
There uber :)
1. wrong 2. wrong 3. wrong
kthxbye edit: jsut so people actually get to read something, my megathron is just as fast as my deimos, does more damage, and tanks a helluvalot better, while running 2 heavy nosses, and 10 ogres.
Yes your thron will be just as fast, BUT its got a bigger sig radius thus getting hit easier, isn't as maneuverable as the diemos so it turns slower and gets to max speed slower. Dmg will be better and so will the tank, but you will get hit alot more and your cap will run down faster. Also the Diemos gets the cruiser bonus on its MWD.
Oh not saying my deimos doesn't have it's charm. But getting people such as OP in a hac cause they're uber ( when they barely got the skill to pilot a rax ) isn't nice. It cause all sorts of whining. AND BY GOD we got plenty of whining. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Mac Knife
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Posted - 2005.05.08 21:07:00 -
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lmao too true.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.05.08 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Eyeshadow on 08/05/2005 21:30:03 Personally i think Gallente have the 2 best HACS in the game. The ishtar is possibly the best, certainly the most versatile. The deimos is a bit of a one trick pony but owns at what it does.
The zealot is also one of the best, closely followed by the 2 minnie and the caldari ones and sacri low down the list. Main reasons for this is that it can tank well, but its dmg output is seriously poor. Most tech1 cruisers can do more dmg than a sacriledge.
If you like close range combat and have decent drone skills, train for the gall ones. If you like a bit of range and still do dmg, get a zealot. If you like a bit of both train the minnie ones
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.05.08 21:53:00 -
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eagle is definitely best inty killer... park yourself 100km from gate, set orbit and wait... every hac has its uses... just most ppl se dmg mod and nothing else
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.05.08 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC eagle is definitely best inty killer... park yourself 100km from gate, set orbit and wait... every hac has its uses... just most ppl se dmg mod and nothing else
Ain't that the truth. Wonder why're not all flying in megas with 7 neutrons and 7 damage mods then. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
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